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Can touching a barbell in the gym get you sick with the coronavirus?
- Thread starter Michael Scally MD
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To define the risk posed by asymptomatic "carriers" it's important to determine their degree of "contagiousness or (R-n) within different "at risk" groups.
While the former tend to maintain LOW viral loads characteristically limited to the nasopharynx, a low level exposure MAY be all that's required for those with compromised immune or cardiopulmonary systems to develop symptomatic disease.
JIM
While the former tend to maintain LOW viral loads characteristically limited to the nasopharynx, a low level exposure MAY be all that's required for those with compromised immune or cardiopulmonary systems to develop symptomatic disease.
JIM
My gym opens Monday (am in NH) so going to wait out the first week. I will only have to wear a mask if NOT working out.
I have always wiped down the plates, bars and machines before and after and even the benches too, even before this virus came along.
Looks like going forward this will be the new normal.
I have always wiped down the plates, bars and machines before and after and even the benches too, even before this virus came along.
Looks like going forward this will be the new normal.
1) Sounds reasonable IMO
2) NoT a bad idea but won't the gym staff be involved in ensuring cleanliness is being maintained ? Will they be screening patrons, if so how??
3) Yep at least for the forseeable future.
Nonetheless I would distance my self from others as much as possible but especially those who are short of vim and vigor. Most of the latter I'd like to believe will stay home a while longer.
Might be a good idea to wash your hands upon entering and leaving.
ENJOY!
Regards
JIM
Yep it'l be good to go back but it'll be wise to wait a bit longer. AFAIK not sure if staff will be screening but there will be fewer people allowed in and only for an hr each.
Oh yes will definitely be washing hands often.
I'd call them and make a reservation if required bc IME many newly opened vendors, whether a restaurant, gyms or bar, are more hesitant to open wo considerable checks and balances.
In fact if those checks and balances seemed reasonable, I'd be the first to attend their new opening --- but thats me.
In fact if those checks and balances seemed reasonable, I'd be the first to attend their new opening --- but thats me.
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Incompetence and Errors in Reasoning Around Face Covering
SIX ERRORS:
1) missing the compounding effects of masks,
2) missing the nonlinearity of the probability of infection to viral exposures,
3) missing absence of evidence (of benefits of mask wearing) for evidence of absence (of benefits of mask wearing),
4) missing the point that people do not need governments to produce facial covering: they can make their own,
5) missing the compounding effects of statistical signals,
6) ignoring the Non-Aggression Principle by pseudolibertarians (masks are also to protect others from you; it’s a multiplicative process: every person you infect will infect others).
In fact masks (and faceshields) supplemented with constraints of superspreader events can save us trillions of dollars in future lockdowns (and lawsuits) and be potentially sufficient (under adequate compliance) to stem the pandemic. Bureaucrats do not like simple solutions.
Big news from the FDA, which has withdrawn its emergency use authorization for hydroxychloroquine. But because HCQ is approved for other uses, it remains on the market & available for use. This is unlike remdesivir, which has no other approved uses. https://www.fda.gov/media/138945/download
DALLAS—Saying the city remained on track for progressing into the final stage, Mayor Eric Johnson told Dallas residents Friday that they would soon officially be entering Phase 4 of pretending the coronavirus was over.
“Thanks to the efforts of municipal employees, I’m happy to say we’ve reached the final phases of completely deluding ourselves into thinking that this pandemic has somehow stopped spreading and that we’re safe,” said Johnson in a press conference, in which he applauded the city for bringing them to this stage by successfully disregarding the virus in previous phases.
“In order for this to be effective, however, we’re instituting guidelines requiring all residents to convince themselves that they can no longer contract or spread this disease, and that despite virtually no changes in the situation, we will no longer need to use hand sanitizers or observe social distancing.
Phase 4 will also need all of you to start going into restaurants and stores without masks and pretending that this is endangering absolutely no one. Thank you all.”
At press time, Johnson added that he hoped successful observance of protocols would allow the city to soon move into the outright panic and citywide devastation that would characterize Phase 5.
Public-health researchers use the infection fatality rate to gauge how to respond to a new disease, but it’s tricky to calculate.
One of the most crucial questions about an emerging infectious disease such as the new coronavirus is how deadly it is. After months of collecting data, scientists are getting closer to an answer.
Researchers use a metric called infection fatality rate (IFR) to calculate how deadly a new disease is. It is the proportion of infected people who will die as a result, including those who don’t get tested or show symptoms.
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Marm Kilpatrick, an infectious disease researcher at the University of California, Santa Cruz, also notes that most of the serological data haven’t been published in scientific manuscripts. It’s hard to know when and how they were collected, and to properly calculate an IFR that accounts for the delay between people getting infected and dying, he says.
Kilpatrick and others say they are eagerly awaiting large studies that estimate fatality rates across age groups and among those with pre-existing health conditions, which will provide the most accurate picture of how deadly the disease is. One of the first studies to account for the effect of age was posted on a preprint server last week. The study, based on seroprevalence data from Geneva, Switzerland, estimates an IFR of 0.6% for the total population, and an IFR of 5.6% for people aged 65 and older. https://osf.io/wdbpe/
The results have not been peer reviewed, but Kilpatrick says the study addresses many of the issues in previous seroprevalence surveys. "This study is fantastic. It’s precisely what should be done with all of the serological data," he says.
Hey big guy. So, here is what my gym is doing. It's been open up for a few weeks now.
1. As soon as you walk in they are taking temperatures.
2. You are required to clean weights, benches, machines, etc before and after use.
3. Have a cleaning person walking around cleaning all machines as well.
4. Tread Mill/Cardio Machines remain in same location but must use every other one.
5. Newly placed hand sanitizer dispensers everywhere you turn lol.
6. Locker room lockers are closed every two spaces.
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