CCUSA
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Easily bother. Email me and I can give detailed options.
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
Hey @CCUSA
I see you encourage doing blood works on your products.
I'm looking for a good source of HCG and ready to give US HCG a shot and do labs. But $350 of HCG is a lot.
So my question is how do you manage situations if my blood work shows that your product is underdosed?
To clarify, I do an HCG Quantitative test in a lab and I have results 12 hours after 1500IU of pharma Pregnyl that I use as a reference and others UGL sources.
Body weight, time after injection, dosage and so on are all the same.
So what would you do? because in that case store credit is not an option as I'm interested only in hcg.
I see you encourage doing blood works on your products.
I'm looking for a good source of HCG and ready to give US HCG a shot and do labs. But $350 of HCG is a lot.
So my question is how do you manage situations if my blood work shows that your product is underdosed?
To clarify, I do an HCG Quantitative test in a lab and I have results 12 hours after 1500IU of pharma Pregnyl that I use as a reference and others UGL sources.
Body weight, time after injection, dosage and so on are all the same.
So what would you do? because in that case store credit is not an option as I'm interested only in hcg.
Liska
Subscriber
Is there decent evidence that bloodwork can reliably and accurately reflect the dosage of HCG injected at a set interval prior to getting blood drawn/tested? This specific test was not originally designed/intended for measuring this variable, so why not use labtesting, which is what pharmaceutical companies need to subject their HCG products to as to determine that they are properly dosed, instead of trying to reverse engineer the result of labtesting via bloodwork?
Hi Liska,
HCG Qn test is used to determine exact age of fetus and detect cancer in males, It is pretty accurate as it checks beta subunit of HCG in blood.
Of course serum B-HCG levels fluctuate between different individuals depending on metabolism and body weight but for the same person it remains approximately the same.
You may check pubmed and assays related to fertilisation with HCG, they do check HCG levels after injection.
So it can be used.
And this test is widely used in eastern Europe as it shows consistent results reagarding quality of HCG.
But to make it clear, I'm not saying that if it shows 20% less then pregnyl in the same individual with the same body weight then it's underdosed. that's not right, but when results are 5 times less - it means that something is wrong with HCG.
For example in my case 12 hours after 1500IU of Pregnyl, my level is around 50 mIU/ml, but ZyHCG with the same prerequisites from US domestic vendor 1 week earlier showed 6 and 7 mIU/ml. And it is obviously underdosed.
And speaking of bioactivity, even Jano said in the HCG disclosure thread that one of the reliable ways to determine bioactivity is check testosterone response of Leydig Cells on HCG, so in order to make results more accurate we can add Total Testosterone to the blood work to compare it with pharma Pregnyl levels.
Btw Total testosterone that you here assume as accurate is the same quantitative test as HCG quantitative
HCG Qn test is used to determine exact age of fetus and detect cancer in males, It is pretty accurate as it checks beta subunit of HCG in blood.
Of course serum B-HCG levels fluctuate between different individuals depending on metabolism and body weight but for the same person it remains approximately the same.
You may check pubmed and assays related to fertilisation with HCG, they do check HCG levels after injection.
So it can be used.
And this test is widely used in eastern Europe as it shows consistent results reagarding quality of HCG.
But to make it clear, I'm not saying that if it shows 20% less then pregnyl in the same individual with the same body weight then it's underdosed. that's not right, but when results are 5 times less - it means that something is wrong with HCG.
For example in my case 12 hours after 1500IU of Pregnyl, my level is around 50 mIU/ml, but ZyHCG with the same prerequisites from US domestic vendor 1 week earlier showed 6 and 7 mIU/ml. And it is obviously underdosed.
And speaking of bioactivity, even Jano said in the HCG disclosure thread that one of the reliable ways to determine bioactivity is check testosterone response of Leydig Cells on HCG, so in order to make results more accurate we can add Total Testosterone to the blood work to compare it with pharma Pregnyl levels.
Btw Total testosterone that you here assume as accurate is the same quantitative test as HCG quantitative
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cadafi
Well-known Member
Isn´t a positive pregnancy test enough??,I am using rigt now what i have left of his brevactid and it does the job, for HCG i usually use pregnancy tests, it should come up as positive with very little amount as little as 50 UIs.
pregnancy test will show positive even if there is only 500 IU instead of 5000 IU, but you're not getting what you paid for
Liska
Subscriber
When you ask a question that hinges on the term 'underdosed' but neglect to disclose initially that you don't define 'underdosed' by any pharmacopeia dosage guidelines of deviation from label claim but as somewhere >20% below Pregnyl quantitative bloodwork (I'm not sure if you have labtested Pregnyl or picked it as your reference standard based on something else) and '5 times less' in comparison to said standard, I must ask that you provide a glossary including crisp definitions - I don't mind talking your language/meeting you on your own terms if you make them more clear.
If you want to skip all that: if your bloodwork indicates the HCG is trash I would have another sample sent to Janoshik to confirm that and to gain further insight into why it's trash exactly.
Regarding indian HCG, today I watched a youtube video about untreated sewage black sludge rivers in Kolkata or a purity report of one of their HCG brands, I can't remember now.
Hidemytits
New Member
Hey @CCUSA I realized that mk677 got taken off the site. Is it ever coming back?
Manzoitaly
Subscriber
When will galen, eifelfango, panpharma testosterone be available again?
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CCUSA
Subscriber
Heads up!!
On 12/10/23 I will close for the remainder of the year. Up until this time please expect delays in transit. It's Christmas time if you didn't know and everything goes through the mail these days.
Thanks,
CCUSA
On 12/10/23 I will close for the remainder of the year. Up until this time please expect delays in transit. It's Christmas time if you didn't know and everything goes through the mail these days.
Thanks,
CCUSA
His HCG is definitely good to go. Have blasted for years so I’m sure I was completely shut down before it.
Also I’ll name the kid after @CCUSA for store credit.
CCUSA
Subscriber
I put the wrong date on this. Shop will close this Friday 12-8-23 at 1200 hours EST. A re-open date isn't set, but it will be in the new year.
I try to preach every year for people to stock up before this month, yet it tends to be a very busy month. We will try again next year and I would like to thank everyone for the continued support.
Thanks,
CCUSA
Man, that's not a valid test at all.
With pregnancy kit you're doing qualitative test, it shows positive even if you have 500IU of hcg in a vial instead of 5000IU.
Buddy it’s a legit pregnancy test. I didn’t put a drop of hcg on it. I went from infertile to this with his HCG. It works.
anotherlifter
New Member
Liska, what shelf life should I expect for the Sustanon? A friend on TRT needs to save money, thinking of stocking up.
CCUSA
Subscriber
If stored in a cool dark place, quite some time. Usually 2-4 years.. although I would likely stock up on cyp over a blend of esters. I have seen sust change colour dramatically over 1 year of time.
This of course is my opinion.
Thanks,
CCUSA
anotherlifter
New Member
Yes, depending on the oil and preservatives. I have used cypionate that was a few years past expiration. No issues.
Liska
Subscriber
Hazy memory that it's the decanoate eventually causing issues with Sustanon.
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