Caution fellas.

[JackC4]

They will put you under the prison for that one.

 

[Stretch]

Hi, I'm totally new to all this and probably my question has been asked a million times -- but, if you order androgel online what, realistically, are your chances of jail and/or huge fines? I'm, 70 years old in good health, but still enjoy bodybuilding

p.s.I have no criminal background or any other trouble with the law (save for a few parking tickets)

Realistically, I couldn't imagine a judge in the world that would give you more than a small fine. Most of us have had illegal shipments seized by the government, 99.9% of the time, they write you a letter, the content of which amounts to; "you better not try this again"

 

[Millard]

Hi, I'm totally new to all this and probably my question has been asked a million times -- but, if you order androgel online what, realistically, are your chances of jail and/or huge fines? I'm, 70 years old in good health, but still enjoy bodybuilding

p.s.I have no criminal background or any other trouble with the law (save for a few parking tickets)

They will put you under the prison for that one.

Realistically, I couldn't imagine a judge in the world that would give you more than a small fine. Most of us have had illegal shipments seized by the government, 99.9% of the time, they write you a letter, the content of which amounts to; "you better not try this again"

Just don't think about competing in a sport. Those anti-steroid zealots at USADA have no sympathy for steroid users no matter how old they are:

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/134343494

 

[flenser]

LMFAO.

Maybe the sources don't want their secure contact posted in the open? So when they say "PM for a price-list" what they mean is: "PM for secure contact information, which I won't post to the forum, so that my email AND my PM box can be flooded with requests from noobs who I don't want to do business with instead of JUST my PM box being flooded with assinine requests.

Heh, fair enough. I can see why it would make a convenient filter. The noob traffic had to be insane there for a while.

 

[alladyn123]

Most of steroid users are idiots. They keep ordering from well known scammers. Z has been selling steroid replicas for years and he still maintains a huge customers base.
Most of steroid users want to get scammed. They deserve it. We should not stop them.
Z and scums like him should benefit from idiots.

 

[alxinya]

You've all done a great job training these UGL's, many that are exclusive to Meso which ISN'T a source board, and business is picking up. Things can get real crazy really quickly.
We've got labs shipping fronts and freebies openly and everyone's talking all about it. Let's get back to basics making sure everyone is being as safe as possible. Focusing on "as possible".
Remember, this is illegal...all of it. From these guys brewing to(manufacturing) to payment(wire and mail fraud) There's a huge audience here and lots of money to be made. There will be more of the guys popping up and prices HAVE to be low, Everyone seems shocked and surprised like the low priced guy is up to something? He's trying to get your attention and business.
There will be sales and deals and free t shirts.....just like before ORD. Then the brakes were pumped and the market corrected its self.
It will again. Economics isn't voodoo......and history does repeat itself. CAUTION>>>>USE IT!

I needed that schooling, thanks Ben.. I guess I didn't look at it that way. Especially the training part. I was just puking my opinions all over the place and I realize that this is not the board for that . I will stick with the questions and keep my .02 cents to myself from now on.

 

[rlhall12]

Best post ive seen on here. +10

Safe safe safe...drill it in.

 

[Spyder]

You've all done a great job training these UGL's, many that are exclusive to Meso which ISN'T a source board, and business is picking up. Things can get real crazy really quickly.
We've got labs shipping fronts and freebies openly and everyone's talking all about it. Let's get back to basics making sure everyone is being as safe as possible. Focusing on "as possible".
Remember, this is illegal...all of it. From these guys brewing to(manufacturing) to payment(wire and mail fraud) There's a huge audience here and lots of money to be made. There will be more of the guys popping up and prices HAVE to be low, Everyone seems shocked and surprised like the low priced guy is up to something? He's trying to get your attention and business.
There will be sales and deals and free t shirts.....just like before ORD. Then the brakes were pumped and the market corrected its self.
It will again. Economics isn't voodoo......and history does repeat itself. CAUTION>>>>USE IT!

Sticky?

 

[ChaseQ]

Most of steroid users are idiots. They keep ordering from well known scammers. Z has been selling steroid replicas for years and he still maintains a huge customers base.
Most of steroid users want to get scammed. They deserve it. We should not stop them.
Z and scums like him should benefit from idiots.

Wow, you just keep regurgitating the same worthless shit over and over. We get it, your a troll, you have no life and this is your only source of attention.

 

[TaoPhD]

This is one thread that I think should be mentioned on every other section of this board. Whether the general discussion or cycle log I think what BB did is of a great service to us. This is the best I've seen on here and we would all be fools not to adhere to this advice. BB, thank you.

 

[calvare2]

LOL that was posted a moth ago [)]

Wow, you just keep regurgitating the same worthless shit over and over. We get it, your a troll, you have no life and this is your only source of attention.

 

[TaoPhD]

True but still relevant?

 

[lulcat]

HAHA

Okay. A healthy sense of paranoia is just that, healthy. However, Bitcoin is actually untraceable. Tor is only traceable at the outlet servers (i.e. where you have visited, not who you are). The owner of Silk Road was not taken down by internet forensics... he was caught when, unexpectedly, a package being shipped to his HOME ADDRESS containing over 100 fake ID's was opened. After much researching, his address and real name was connected with a screen name he used on a Deep Web forum years ago, minutes after changing his screen name to an alias not connected with the original screen name.

The moral of the story: LEO don't care about the end user. They honestly don't give a fuck about the low level distributor. Silk Road did 2.5 BILLION dollars of business in around 3 years of being live, including many schedule 1 drugs as well as HITMEN. Silk Road and steroid forums are not comparable. Is anonymity and privacy important... absolutely. However, one has two weigh the two extremes of the government and come to a conclusion: the US government is wholly intrusive, but at the same time, wholly incompetent. So, pick your poison.

 

[biggerben69]

HAHA

Okay. A healthy sense of paranoia is just that, healthy. However, Bitcoin is actually untraceable. Tor is only traceable at the outlet servers (i.e. where you have visited, not who you are). The owner of Silk Road was not taken down by internet forensics... he was caught when, unexpectedly, a package being shipped to his HOME ADDRESS containing over 100 fake ID's was opened. After much researching, his address and real name was connected with a screen name he used on a Deep Web forum years ago, minutes after changing his screen name to an alias not connected with the original screen name.

The moral of the story: LEO don't care about the end user. They honestly don't give a fuck about the low level distributor. Silk Road did 2.5 BILLION dollars of business in around 3 years of being live, including many schedule 1 drugs as well as HITMEN. Silk Road and steroid forums are not comparable. Is anonymity and privacy important... absolutely. However, one has two weigh the two extremes of the government and come to a conclusion: the US government is wholly intrusive, but at the same time, wholly incompetent. So, pick your poison.

The "End user" is not important to LE? I suppose that's true if you're telling buyers(end users) that they'll be referred to as the "CI" (confidential informant) in the federal indictment and they will be picked up when the sweep goes down and will be processed.
The"end user" while in holding will have to keep quiet and make sure they have a good story when they're called for "court" 2 or 3 days in a row to meet with fed prosecutors and how they will be questioned by the shot caller when they return from these mysterious court dates. They'll be given a short amount of time to have their discovery In hand to show the shot caller or they'll have to check in(PC/protective custody).
Even the rats who turn in the most players do some amt of time....a nice camp for 18months where the rats congregate, but time nonetheless.

 

[artex]

HAHA

Okay. A healthy sense of paranoia is just that, healthy. However, Bitcoin is actually untraceable. Tor is only traceable at the outlet servers (i.e. where you have visited, not who you are). The owner of Silk Road was not taken down by internet forensics... he was caught when, unexpectedly, a package being shipped to his HOME ADDRESS containing over 100 fake ID's was opened. After much researching, his address and real name was connected with a screen name he used on a Deep Web forum years ago, minutes after changing his screen name to an alias not connected with the original screen name.

The moral of the story: LEO don't care about the end user. They honestly don't give a fuck about the low level distributor. Silk Road did 2.5 BILLION dollars of business in around 3 years of being live, including many schedule 1 drugs as well as HITMEN. Silk Road and steroid forums are not comparable. Is anonymity and privacy important... absolutely. However, one has two weigh the two extremes of the government and come to a conclusion: the US government is wholly intrusive, but at the same time, wholly incompetent. So, pick your poison.

So much wrong here... bitcoins are absolutely traceable (read all about it). TOR isn't foolproof. But using it might make you more of a target. After all, why use it if you've got nothing to hide?

You don't have to be as big as the Silk Road to get the attention of LE; you just need to make enough noise. How many sources are openly operating on this board right now? I've only been reading here a few months and in that short time the volume of traffic (trafficking!) has increased dramatically.

The moral of the story is: The more noise everyone else is making, the less you should be making.

 

[lulcat]

Saying Bitcoin is absolutely traceable is like saying seatbelts never save a life; i.e. when they aren't used properly. Read the last paragraph of the article you cited.

Edit: But, I suppose if we were really all that concerned about being data-tracked (which we all absolutely are, it's just that most of us aren't worth the resources to go after), we wouldn't be visiting a steroid forum in the first place.

 

[Millard]

TOR isn't foolproof. But using it might make you more of a target. After all, why use it if you've got nothing to hide?

I hate the "got nothing to hide" argument.

Saying Bitcoin is absolutely traceable is like saying seatbelts never save a life; i.e. when they aren't used properly.

It's almost as is some people are saying that using Bitcoin and Tor and worse than doing nothing at all to protect anonymity. I don't get it.

I know lulcat pointed out that DPR wasn't identified due to vulnerabilities in Tor or Bitcoin. Still it will be interesting to learn exactly how feds found the SR server and linked DPR to all those bitcoins.

 

[artex]

I'm certainly not saying don't use them. More tor nodes, more tor traffic, more Bitcoin transactions all make it easier for you to be lost in the flow.

But don't treat them as infallible. The NSA knows what they are and are working to break them. Snowden's releases have shown this.

 

[Millard]

I'm certainly not saying don't use them. More tor nodes, more tor traffic, more Bitcoin transactions all make it easier for you to be lost in the flow.

But don't treat them as infallible. The NSA knows what they are and are working to break them. Snowden's releases have shown this.

The scope of NSA surveillance is mind-boggling. It's far more advanced than anyone imagined.

 

[lulcat]

Also, I think we are supposed to be a community here, and when I posted both, I had been drinking a bit... it wasn't my intention to ruffle any feathers.