nightprowler7
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Was BA tested for @Chromate ?
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readalot
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Vendor claim is what on the BB?
nightprowler7
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For sure! I wish I could have also sent a sample to janoshik for comparison, But unfortunately I had a large expense come up and that's just not in the cards right now
nightprowler7
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I sent an email to ask, ill update you with his response. Honestly not sure if he'll tell me because about a year ago I asked for his inj superdrol recipe and he got all offended like I was asking for his wife's social security number lol
readalot
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F, can't laugh and love a post on here at same time. Not fair!
janoshik
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So the claim is that you've managed to reship scheduled goods over the border within a single day and then received the results from a lab that doesn't exist. Got it.
Is this the new plausible deniability meta?
Quebec is a French speaking province. So... um... you're smart.
janoshik
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No shit Sherlock.
nightprowler7
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Can you elaborate?
I'm curious what about that is unbelievable? I'm not being sarcastic I'm genuinely curious. Because the time frame lines up fine?
The website is a real laboratory in Canada. And the ship times line up. I shipped first class to a US address on Sunday, i was notified it was received Wednesday, I got results on Friday.
nightprowler7
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I believe UncleBuns is sending a sample to both janoshik and chromate, so wouldn't that clear up any conspiracy?
janoshik
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Is overnight delivery to Canada common and doable with the costs involved?
I honestly don't know, being on an entirely different continent, I just find it quite unlikely.
What do you base that upon?
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Chromate
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We are located in close proximity to Quebec and maintain access to express lines of shipping. Speed is an integral component of our analytical work. As for the issue of adulteration in the supplement industry: we are just as dismayed and disconcerted as anyone else.
nightprowler7
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@readalot BA was actually not tested for. So I feel safer injecting this knowing it wasn't overlooked by the vendor
UncleBuns
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Sent a sample 1 week ago, did not arrive as of today. If it doesn't show by Monday I'll send another.
freedom69
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Tested out Chromate for two blind samples. One of which was Axles Test C 200 batch C48. I wanted to use something that had previously been tested by Axle with Jano. To avoid any hearsay issues I actually stripped the label and sent an entire unopened vial. I’m holding the second test because after asking the sources he’s waiting on a return currently from the same capsule sample I sent for the other blind test. As soon as that source post his Jano return I’ll update with the second test results for comparison.
nightprowler7
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Can you ask Axle what percentage bb he used? You definitely don't need that much bb for test cyp 200
Fattyone
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So who’s right?
Jano?
Chromate?
Axle?
I feel like “close” is not what we’re after here testing wise..
Jano?
Chromate?
Axle?
I feel like “close” is not what we’re after here testing wise..
patriotmuscle1
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It's probablyy 20% bb .. I have a feeling chromate needs to calibrate there machine maybe. I can see there being a difference from machine to machine.. but not that much you know.
As far as bb% many labs use 2%/20% and only that for all there compounds. It's a very safe recipe that rarely crashes at a wide variety of Temps. As long as your nit doing exotic compounds and really high concentration.. 2%/20% is a safe bet for Labs. Gives them security that there oils will ship and store well.
Id like to know an explanation for the different results. It could be a very simple explanation. Maybe different brand machines? Or calibration ? I don't know I'm curious.
And to play devils advocate maybe it's Janis that different. Haven't been many other Labs to test against janos. Going back and searching for a little I didn't find any that went head to head on same compound to see any variation from same sample / 2 different labs.
15mg/ml is not a small difference. It's not huge either. I know I wouldn't ever be able to tell the difference.
Hopefully someone smarter then me explains to us why there can or can't be a difference.. and how do we know which one is "right or perfect"
readalot
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Without getting too in the weeds from stats standpoint, @janoshik quotes his HPLC method as 5% margin of error (one sided hence +/- 5?) .
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https://www.janoshik.com/details/This is probably a 95% confidence interval? He can tell you whether is it +/- 5% or +/- 2.5%.
Let's say axle's test cyp is exactly 200 mg/ml. So we would expect 95% of the time the test would return a measurement between 190 and 210 mg/ml (skipping a bunch of details few want). In this case we don't know what's in the vial. The only way to know who was "righter" would be to send them both a reference standard where we know accurately what the concentration was.
Of course @Axle Labs can tell you what he calculated for his batch based on his measurements which are also subject to error.
TLDR: reassuring the two measurements are within 10%. The uncertainty here combines variability in the instrument (usually low, sample injection) and method prep (usually higher, human error of prepping sample). This is why you have both labs report the results of 10 replicates haha. Everyone would be very enlightened by the distribution.
Exciting.
Postscript: would be useful for both labs to share their method RSV (relative standard deviation) based on internal work. What is your "margin of error", COV, RSV for HPLC quantitative @Chromate ? Don't see it on your site? Example for certain compound is fine. Obviously you have access to reference standards now. No? Yes?
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Chromate
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In fairness to the chemists involved, there is no guarantee that the same sample was tested at each lab.
