Clenbuterol overdosed - feel like dying, need opinions ASAP

[madmailman96]

Ok so long story short I took .80 mcg of clen this morning, pill form but I think it was extremely overdosed. My resting heart rate is 120 bpm and Ive vommited 4 times, also starting to get pale and feel like passing out. If I went to the hospital and got a beta blocker would this help? If not what do I do, I took the Clen at 8am eastern this morning.

 

[BBC3]

yea, my wife accidentally trashed some I had in an old tylenol bottle many years ago and I tripped snapping the remote in half. I got a pretty good idea how addicting they are...[)] But man they may you feel good!!! Its like alcohol and pot combined I think. Just total care free relaxation.....

Its pretty common thought by partiers that you have to kick em with alcohol to get anything. I have known many to eat a bar or two and drink all night without getting in trouble/ nothing more than a coma like crash. So there I have not personally seen folks get in a whole lot of serious trouble. I even know some that like to combine hydrocodone & alcohol, and then top the night off with a half a bar to sleep. And with some tokin mixed in. But these are seasoned veterans and THATS NOT TO SAY IT WONT HAPPEN.....! I am sure the deal is the particular neuropath certain drugs work on as they relate to the benzos. But I never did the homework cause I KNOW not to touch em. I just like them too much...

But the issue does seem to be when you toss in a third ingredient the shit hits the fan. I think just a common benedryl for sleep after a night of drinking and Xanax will pretty much send ya to the morgue - I HAVE HEARD??!?. I suspect other Benzos, and benzo similars not identical may really cause way more of a problem mixed, than per say just eating another of the same benzo that night. Because I have seen folks eat Xanax steady all night drinking.. Then again they had big tolerances and starting and stopping is a whole nother problem too. And the issue is probably that a few cocktails and benzos and ya might not know what you are doing. It always seems like I was aware when drinking on them - at the time. But the memory failed the next day. So its not like I would have just blindly started gobbling the medicine cabinet But if one is in a daily habit with other drugs, the benzo could surely make ya slack and forget the interaction, but it would still be a consciouse poppin of the other med.

But I am pretty sure I might never get off the couch if I was taking them... LOL

Benzo are the nastiest drug created on this fucking earth I swear to Muhammed. I have seen so many people go down the shitter because of them. They are the most addictive(physically which is the worst imo as there will be an underlying psycho dependance also) drug you can get and they come in a subtle form of a pill. Prescribed by some doctor which administers them as if they are tylenol. My friend was prescribed some valium for anxiety because he was having rough financial times as well as problems with his wife. My question is: isn't it healthy to be anxious at those times?? Isn't that normal? It would be abnormal if one was the calmest mo fo in town during those circumstances but that is how the doctors want it. Doesn't make sense to me, 1+1=3?
Doctor gave me Xanax because I have sleeping problems, after 3 days I felt my body craving that so I stopped. Slept 3 hours that night and had to work next morning, was restless and felt like shit. So now I just use melatonin and some unisom.

On the heath ledger cocktail situation, enough alcohol mixed with Benzo will knock you out as well, either total blackout or death.

 

[BBC3]

I'm only offering a suggestion. I am neither of what you listed. I am a patient who has been on the wrong end before though. The bottom line is that if the hospital sent him home after arriving with those symptoms and stating what he took, or potentially took, they MAY be negligent depending on what protocol they followed.

Really, how would you like to go to the hospital and tell them that you are worried you may be having a heart attack because you took too much clen and then get sent home to have one.!? He was confirmed not having had one when he arrived....! He was treated shitily, which leaves to question whether or not his release was proper. He sure as hell didnt go home and gobble some more. They should know what his blood levels were, what the potential was, whether he had sustained an injury and to what degree with regard to a heart attack, and what to do. My first thought is that they treated him with a counter drug to which was ineffective as a comparable antidote, and then did not give him follow up orders if they knew. OR, he did not follow. If so then fine and he is again negligent upon himself.

My opinion has VALUE because I am a PATIENT - Like him. I dont recall ever saying that it had more value that anyone elses. Like I said. Settle down doc. Yur malpractive insurance and exhorbidant civil protection is still in place. LOL

The ISSUE is to find the TRUTH. Unfortunately, this does not happen in real life due to the effect of the evil doers out there looking for profit or ill willed unjust vengnence. The problem is that THE GOOD GUY, is the one who suffers as the evils keep comming and pressing to get what they are after. The good guy DOES NOT EVEN KNOW when he has been wronged. If it were not for honest folks out there, imagine how much more recovery dollars would be levied. It would DEVASTATE the financial community under the current regime and practice. Mostly the only ones getting indemnified for civil neglifence against them are pressing unmerited and getting something regardless. The REAL PROBLEM is that as a result, ACROSS THE BOARD BS protocal is stomping down legitimate inquiries and only the dogs are prevailing thus leaving honesty to suffer on ALL ENDS. Its a travesty of times in all walks of life... There is a protective wall up around this industry that does not disciminate unfortunately. Its a political / economic condition of Capitalism and Democracy that can not be averted, and sad.
The Term is BUSINESS DECISION, and the cheaper alternative is NEVER The right one.....

Several post commentary hum, so BBC unless your a physician, attorney or actively involved in LE what makes your OPINION more credible than anyone else's?

 

[BBC3]

Thank you & props to ya>>>>!:d

dr jim you are very knowledgeable but there are so many mds that hide behind their title and think they know/act like they know more than you when the reality is opposite(more specifically on aas). I think all opinions weigh the same on meso, it's the content that determines the credibility. Source-check or question any remarks which may seem false. That's how i roll!

 

[BBC3]

Apologies if I mis-interpreted, so thank you for the opp to clear it up.

It really felt like in your post pattern with the thread that you were interested in a bit more detail up until the point where he got home and had a heart attack.. Next thing you back down and at the top of this page you say "dont know what ya took and tell an ER doc?? (Assuming that is what ED stands for)? So you were on the page the whole time and all of the sudden bail to GOOD LUCK, sorta kinda!?!?! In review and on the one hand, you were asking a lot of specific questions that did not get answered, but on the other, you appeared to detach from you previous implied understood course of the thread...

Perhaps I misinterpreted something?

BBC, my "interest in what.detail" please be specific (as you can be)!

 

[BBC3]

BULLSHIT. A small personal stash of the drug you have taken CAN BE CRITICAL IN SAVING YOUR LIFE... Obviously the bold is required if you insist on posting information that is going to get people killed. A small amount for personal use is not going to trigger a call to the cops. Docs DO want to help. Further, ALWAYS BRING ALL YOUR MEDS TO THE DOC OR ESPECIALLY THE ER if having a problem. Thats first base in common sense and usually doctors orders as well. People dont freaking know what they are taking most of the time. They just know the doc said "take two". Most dont even read the label, much less the prescribing info for patients! They dont remember on a daily basis. They MAY loose consciousness at the hospital.. Just common sense please.

Swordman
Seems reasonable to me since especially your commentary is based on your own personal observations rather than utter conjecture and does not periodically use BOLD FACED typing to embellish credibility, IMO) Incidentally, folks DON'T even think about bringing "your stash to the hospital", LE calls that possession, duh!

 

[BBC3]

Yes, my thoughts too. But I have actually discussed with some in the field that a benzo might very well be prescribed in the case of an amphetamine OD per say, and as an anxiety relief point that might help to settle down some phychological trigger occurring that are exaccerbating the physical conditions. I believe the conversation was as 'in addition to the proper mitigating drug for the amphetamine, or in lieu of if not significan OD'. Keep in mind that conversation was relevant to Amphetamines, it was theorhetical, and relevant to only its self - WHICH MEANS NOTHING to anyone reading for REAL APPLICATION. Only what I heard.

But my point was YES, if I get too much amphetamine built up, the last thing I think of is a freakin benzo and due to the anxiety associated. I suspect the point is the neuropaths are unsimilar as a "short circuit" type potential, and thus in that situation its not really "Compounding the problem potentially". I really just always was concerned of an interaction with the Beta blocker and the benzo. I really dont know the factual details. I just "feels" wrong to even think about- especially when rev'd up. Probably on the level of pulling a rat away from blow tube. He just dont know its the right thing to do... LOL All Conjecture and just agreement on layman thought process....

Nah, wouldn't using drugs like Valium, Xanax or Vicodin be bad for the guy since he's having difficulty breathing, and those drugs already suppress nervous system functions?

Shit, there's been time when I first started taking vicodin, where I woke up and it felt I went minutes without breathing. Those drugs fuck with breathing IMHO

 

[BBC3]

So OK, what gives. Which is it..?
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[Sworder]

How one case was solved, administer short acting beta antagonist.

http://jmt.pennpress.org/strands/jmt/pdfHandler.pdf;jsessionid=1B20F1870085A4CC4EBEB20657536876?issue=20070302&file=20070302_056_060.pdf

 

[Michael Scally MD]

Huckins DS, Lemons MF. Myocardial Ischemia Associated with Clenbuterol Abuse: Report of Two Cases. J Emerg Med. ScienceDirect.com - The Journal of Emergency Medicine - Myocardial Ischemia Associated with Clenbuterol Abuse: Report*of*Two Cases

BACKGROUND: Clenbuterol is an orally administered long-acting beta-2 adrenergic agonist closely related to albuterol that, in recent years, has become a substance of abuse in the bodybuilding and athletic community.

OBJECTIVES: We report two cases of acute myocardial ischemia associated with clenbuterol abuse in two healthy young male body builders.

CASE REPORT: Two male bodybuilders, ages 18 and 22 years, presented to the Emergency Department with palpitations, nausea, vomiting, chest pain, diaphoresis, and tachycardia shortly after ingesting clenbuterol. Both patients experienced prolonged sinus tachycardia that, in one patient, was relatively resistant to both beta- and calcium channel blockade. Both patients were found to have elevated troponin levels, the first patient as high as 4.71 ng/mL (normal<0.04 ng/mL). Further investigation revealed normal coronary arteries at catheterization and normal cardiac magnetic resonance imaging in the first patient, and normal echocardiograms for both patients. The tachycardia gradually resolved and both patients recovered uneventfully. The etiology of cardiac ischemia in these patients is uncertain.

CONCLUSIONS: Emergency physicians should be aware of the clinical presentation of clenbuterol abuse and overdose, and the possibility of related cardiac ischemia and rhythm disturbances. Suggested treatment includes intravenous fluids, oxygen, aspirin, beta-blockers, and benzodiazepines, although efficacy remains unproven.

 

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