Cut with Anavar or Tren?

[Trenbolonetax]

Im still a beginner tho just want to learn

Anything specific that you would like answered / want to learn today?

 

[bigboy420]

Anything specific that you would like answered / want to learn today?

How to get huge and not kill myself

 

[Astartes]

How to get huge and not kill myself

That kind of generalistic lazy answer has earned you the dreaded….. “Use the search function” reply. *wink*

 

[DECLAN]

Im still a beginner tho just want to learn

Hire a coach you will progress better and quit looking at what others are doing concentrate on your own journey.

 

[bigboy420]

Hire a coach you will progress better

I progress great man, think its more my 12 night shifts fucking my gym and sleep rythm.

Coaches are little costly so I rather learn here for free from you guys <3

 

[Liter O' Test]

Hire a coach you will progress better and quit looking at what others are doing concentrate on your own journey.

Pay a guy $400 a month to send you an email once per week and tell you that you doing a good job eating chicken and rice

anyone recommending a coach to a beginner, in the age of information, has just fallen for the instagram grift.
coaches are for people competing, regular bro gym rats do not need coaches. they just need to eat enough , go to the gym and take gear.

your muscles don't think "wow this guy spends $X per month on trying to get big, guess i'll return the favor"

The coach thing is such a "cop-out" PC response

also coaches can be dumbasses too. There isn't some magic wisdom you gain once you start receiving money for giving advice

There are thousands of videos done by leading experts and even old forum posts with tried and true wisdom, and if youre paying a coach, youre just paying for one dudes "take" on his fitness algorithim

 

[notyourpal]

yes, theres no point of wasting drugs for a fatloss phase.

You wont have the caloric surpluss necessary to really allow the extra compounds to aid in building new muscle tissue, and trt is plenty for pretty much anyone to maintain their muscle tissue even in a long cut.

Meaning running anything above trt for a fatloss phase is almost entirely pointless in nearly all situations. Youre just wasting drugs for them to do nothing for your long term improvement.

vigorous steve is that you?

 

[Intrepid]

I mean certain compounds beyond testosterone definitely aid in fatloss and can also be anti catabolic during a cut, so I wouldn't call them completely useless

 

[BigTomJ]

Pay a guy $400 a month to send you an email once per week and tell you that you doing a good job eating chicken and rice

anyone recommending a coach to a beginner, in the age of information, has just fallen for the instagram grift.
coaches are for people competing, regular bro gym rats do not need coaches. they just need to eat enough , go to the gym and take gear.

your muscles don't think "wow this guy spends $X per month on trying to get big, guess i'll return the favor"

The coach thing is such a "cop-out" PC response

also coaches can be dumbasses too. There isn't some magic wisdom you gain once you start receiving money for giving advice

some people, as we clearly see on this forum alone, despite having access to nearly endless information, have no idea how to apply it.
Which is why beginners typically get such poor results and take a while to get with the program and figure things out to a reasonable degree.

Some people are just aimless by nature and need the direction and additional point of accountability that a coach brings.

Not everyone needs a coach, and yeah, a lot of coaches are clueless, but calling it a grift is just silly.
When you were in your first year of lifting, not having a clue what youre doing, just eating whatever, do you really think you wouldnt have benefitted from someone with a decade+ of educated experience helping you?

there are definitely some people who are more inclined to self-inform and learn on their own, these types can certainly make due going through the basics on their own, but that isnt everyone, in some cases working with a coach is the easiest path to the fastest results.

there are quality coaches out there that will do full plans (meals, training, drugs) for 150-200$ a month, 400 is on the high end and really is only realistic for prep coaches with a long successful track record.

 

[egruberman]

How to get huge and not kill myself

At your age and training history, eat and lift. There you go.

Have you exhausted a linear progression on the main compound movements?

If you have to think about drugs, get your test into a decent range and manage your fucking blood pressure, because it will certainly kill you. How are your lipids?

 

[Trenbolonetax]

How to get huge and not kill myself

Come on bro. I retracted and edited a previous comment to give you the benefit of the doubt, and now I wish I hadn’t.

That was the worst completely general and non specific question I’ve been asked on this forum so far.

Good luck on your journey.

PS: for BigToms sake, don’t endorse him. It’s a bad look for him coming from you.

 

[bigboy420]

That was the worst completely general and non specific question I’ve been asked on this forum so far.

I was joking a little... i learn from the threads created, if ill have a specific question ill make my own thread.

I must have some knowladge if I preach same as Tom. But Tom has alot more weight to his name so im just observing ur guys reaction.

So far I couldnt be happier with my progress becouse I aint blind. Im growing great but still more in the tank and the legendary cut it will be after 5 years bulk with my shit genes

 

[Liter O' Test]

I was joking a little... i learn from the threads created, if ill have a specific question ill make my own thread.

I must have some knowladge if I preach same as Tom. But Tom has alot more weight to his name so im just observing ur guys reaction.

So far I couldnt be happier with my progress becouse I aint blind. Im growing great but still more in the tank and the legendary cut it will be after 5 years bulk with my shit genes

what was dose and duration of your best blast?

 

[DECLAN]

Pay a guy $400 a month to send you an email once per week and tell you that you doing a good job eating chicken and rice

anyone recommending a coach to a beginner, in the age of information, has just fallen for the instagram grift.
coaches are for people competing, regular bro gym rats do not need coaches. they just need to eat enough , go to the gym and take gear.

your muscles don't think "wow this guy spends $X per month on trying to get big, guess i'll return the favor"

The coach thing is such a "cop-out" PC response

also coaches can be dumbasses too. There isn't some magic wisdom you gain once you start receiving money for giving advice

There are thousands of videos done by leading experts and even old forum posts with tried and true wisdom, and if youre paying a coach, youre just paying for one dudes "take" on his fitness algorithim

Who scammed you lol, your take is so ridiculous and nonsensical.

I don’t even want to engage with someone who do not understand what coaching means.

 

[DECLAN]

some people, as we clearly see on this forum alone, despite having access to nearly endless information, have no idea how to apply it.
Which is why beginners typically get such poor results and take a while to get with the program and figure things out to a reasonable degree.

Some people are just aimless by nature and need the direction and additional point of accountability that a coach brings.

Not everyone needs a coach, and yeah, a lot of coaches are clueless, but calling it a grift is just silly.
When you were in your first year of lifting, not having a clue what youre doing, just eating whatever, do you really think you wouldnt have benefitted from someone with a decade+ of educated experience helping you?

there are definitely some people who are more inclined to self-inform and learn on their own, these types can certainly make due going through the basics on their own, but that isnt everyone, in some cases working with a coach is the easiest path to the fastest results.

there are quality coaches out there that will do full plans (meals, training, drugs) for 150-200$ a month, 400 is on the high end and really is only realistic for prep coaches with a long successful track record.

I don’t think he understands the concept of service or occupation, there are in all professions a good and bad one.

 

[BigTomJ]

Who scammed you lol, your take is so ridiculous and nonsensical.

I don’t even want to engage with someone who do not understand what coaching means.

I don’t think he understands the concept of service or occupation, there are in all professions a good and bad one.

To be completely fair to him. There are a ton of know nothing coaches out there just surviving on social media clout and bullshit

 

[iris]

But Tom has alot more weight to his name so im just observing ur guys reaction.

This.
Way to go, Bigboy

 

[DECLAN]

To be completely fair to him. There are a ton of know nothing coaches out there just surviving on social media clout and bullshit

There are also small time trainers who are good enough for beginners that only do their PT in gyms.

As a beginner, you will cut all the bullshit out in your first year if you have someone introduce you to the sport and navigate through all the steps even in just a couple of weeks.

 

[Grey Spartan]

To be completely fair to him. There are a ton of know nothing coaches out there just surviving on social media clout and bullshit

Instagram is full of them.

 

[Liter O' Test]

Who scammed you lol, your take is so ridiculous and nonsensical.

I don’t even want to engage with someone who do not understand what coaching means.

I don’t think he understands the concept of service or occupation, there are in all professions a good and bad one.

I don't understand "the concept of service or occupation"?

your replies are just an attempt to sound intelligent while avoiding my points.

Also probably a lot of "appeal to authority" in your psyche.

There are also small time trainers who are good enough for beginners that only do their PT in gyms.

As a beginner, you will cut all the bullshit out in your first year if you have someone introduce you to the sport and navigate through all the steps even in just a couple of weeks.

A man has to pay another guy to introduce him to the gym?
What "steps" need to be taken or learned?
going to the gym isn't a sport. This is why coaches aren't required.

outside of the context of competing, this whole default "coach" response breeds a helpless mentality and is mostly the result of people selling "coaching" normalizing it.

hell lately it seems like people use "Coach" like people use "doctor prescribed", as a defense to make their gear use more legitimate than others.

paying some dude to tell you exactly what to do , when you could easily do it on your own like everyone else, is werid af, lifting is a personal journey and your physique reflects your determination and problem solving skills. Instead of telling a dude "make me bigger I wanna look like that guy" and just doing what he tells you for the end result. This is just another example of the perversion of society, where everything is distilled down to a superficial transaction



(again, outside of the context of competing or high level etc.)