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Cycles for old guys?
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Where can i get some cycles info for old guys? like if you are over 50.
What are your goals?
IMO, I'd diet down with clean calories and cardio before running a "cutting cycle."
Your link isn't working on my PC, just post your cycle plan please.
This is going to be perhaps the least based-on-anything steroid post I've ever made.
Simply because this is an area I haven't worked in. Never worked with a single guy this way. So have absolutely zero cases to look back on and use as a guide.
And I'm not over 50 myself... I'm 49.
However, for the first time other than immediately and only briefly after a cycle, I tested as having low testosterone. Not actually outside the normal range, but pretty near the bottom of it. Not from a recent cycle: hadn't done one since getting married and T had been fine after the last cycle.
It wasn't due to elevated E either: this was in the low 20's pg/mL so really it couldn't have been better. No room for improvement.
My training and results had sucked but this was plausibly attributed to injury problems and also, unfortunately, getting to the gym less.
Well, decided to try an approach of finding what amount of less-suppressive (no such thing as non-suppressive) injectable such as Primobolan or Masteron could be used without much reduction of T or LH.
Started at 50 mg Primo 3x/week.
I don't have the first of planned followup blood tests yet (as mentioned, this post is really lacking in basis.) But, remarkably to me, this trivial amount of Primo has really, really helped.
Arms for example are not back where they were before, but are improved by half an inch in a month. Training is going way better. Up more than 10 lb and not fatter. And this was not I think, at least not mostly, from increased glycogen storage because I didn't seem to get that effect (when I do get it, it's within days and that did not happen here.)
Hard for me to credit that 150 mg/week Primo could be highly suppressive: basically it should at worst fall into the category of moderate HRT.
I hope that the results will show that suppressive effect isn't much, but don't know that that will occur. However I think it is likely, as androgenic effect all the way up to high normal is not necessarily highly suppressive (If it were, there would be no such thing as high normal testosterone from natural production.)
This is an example of how a low dose that would be pretty much meaningless for someone with good testosterone can prove meaningful for someone with, unfortunately, low testosterone.
Of course there is also the fact of previous steroid usage. If I hadn't built the base I had previously, then no, I think no period of time at 150 mg/week Primo would get me even to where I am now just a month into it, as partially rebuilding is a far lesser task than building beyond what had ever been achieved before.
Still, it MAY be the case that even quite moderate Primo or Masteron usage might do nice things for older guys with fairly minimal suppression of remaining natural T production. Worth looking into anyway I think.
Simply because this is an area I haven't worked in. Never worked with a single guy this way. So have absolutely zero cases to look back on and use as a guide.
And I'm not over 50 myself... I'm 49.
However, for the first time other than immediately and only briefly after a cycle, I tested as having low testosterone. Not actually outside the normal range, but pretty near the bottom of it. Not from a recent cycle: hadn't done one since getting married and T had been fine after the last cycle.
It wasn't due to elevated E either: this was in the low 20's pg/mL so really it couldn't have been better. No room for improvement.
My training and results had sucked but this was plausibly attributed to injury problems and also, unfortunately, getting to the gym less.
Well, decided to try an approach of finding what amount of less-suppressive (no such thing as non-suppressive) injectable such as Primobolan or Masteron could be used without much reduction of T or LH.
Started at 50 mg Primo 3x/week.
I don't have the first of planned followup blood tests yet (as mentioned, this post is really lacking in basis.) But, remarkably to me, this trivial amount of Primo has really, really helped.
Arms for example are not back where they were before, but are improved by half an inch in a month. Training is going way better. Up more than 10 lb and not fatter. And this was not I think, at least not mostly, from increased glycogen storage because I didn't seem to get that effect (when I do get it, it's within days and that did not happen here.)
Hard for me to credit that 150 mg/week Primo could be highly suppressive: basically it should at worst fall into the category of moderate HRT.
I hope that the results will show that suppressive effect isn't much, but don't know that that will occur. However I think it is likely, as androgenic effect all the way up to high normal is not necessarily highly suppressive (If it were, there would be no such thing as high normal testosterone from natural production.)
This is an example of how a low dose that would be pretty much meaningless for someone with good testosterone can prove meaningful for someone with, unfortunately, low testosterone.
Of course there is also the fact of previous steroid usage. If I hadn't built the base I had previously, then no, I think no period of time at 150 mg/week Primo would get me even to where I am now just a month into it, as partially rebuilding is a far lesser task than building beyond what had ever been achieved before.
Still, it MAY be the case that even quite moderate Primo or Masteron usage might do nice things for older guys with fairly minimal suppression of remaining natural T production. Worth looking into anyway I think.
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Mr. Roberts...I've never seen you be quite so introspective!
Nice post sir!!! I enjoyed reading something from a more personal view!!
Sometimes the most useful info is personal experience (can't back it with any reference or source other than knowing what you know)!
Do you favor Primo because you have had success using it, and are you suggesting that by using only this one mild DHT then you feel minimal suppression will (in theory or in hope) be part of the end result?
Nice post sir!!! I enjoyed reading something from a more personal view!!
Sometimes the most useful info is personal experience (can't back it with any reference or source other than knowing what you know)!
Do you favor Primo because you have had success using it, and are you suggesting that by using only this one mild DHT then you feel minimal suppression will (in theory or in hope) be part of the end result?
I really would have preferred Masteron enanthate, but Primo is what was available. And years back I had a friend who got good success with low dose Primo bridging that was low suppressive for him, and can remember a couple of instances where users did this AFTER recovering normal testosterone, with good result. Not exactly the same situation however.
I am thinking that there has to be a dose which will have useful effect and not have much suppressive effect, due to the combination of its own androgenic suppressive effect and that of natural testosterone's androgenic suppressive effect still being comparable to normal range testosterone.
Right now my guess is that the highest such value will prove to be around 200-250 mg/week.
I am trying 150 mg/week first as what should I think almost definitely not be too high, and if testing bears that out, will next try 225 mg/week.
I am thinking that there has to be a dose which will have useful effect and not have much suppressive effect, due to the combination of its own androgenic suppressive effect and that of natural testosterone's androgenic suppressive effect still being comparable to normal range testosterone.
Right now my guess is that the highest such value will prove to be around 200-250 mg/week.
I am trying 150 mg/week first as what should I think almost definitely not be too high, and if testing bears that out, will next try 225 mg/week.
My supplier carries Primo ace and I wonder if the shorter estered Primo would be the ticket?
For long term use there isn't really any advantage to the shorter ester, at least not if preferring fairly steady levels. But it would be usable.
"need to cut like 5-7%..now i am 18%BF
105kg"
I guess at 62 years of age, I fit into the "old guys" category. I found that running clenbuterol, two weeks on, two weeks off, for as long as necessary to achieve what was wanted, was something I would recommend. It shifted stubborn lower ab fat, which no amount of cardio ever did.
The only negative sides were moderate night sweats, and some shaking of the hands until the maximum daily dose was dialled in. For me, this was 120 mcg, and it came from CemMeso, so purely for research purposes.
It's good to see old farts looking after their health.
105kg"
I guess at 62 years of age, I fit into the "old guys" category. I found that running clenbuterol, two weeks on, two weeks off, for as long as necessary to achieve what was wanted, was something I would recommend. It shifted stubborn lower ab fat, which no amount of cardio ever did.
The only negative sides were moderate night sweats, and some shaking of the hands until the maximum daily dose was dialled in. For me, this was 120 mcg, and it came from CemMeso, so purely for research purposes.
It's good to see old farts looking after their health.
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bob357sig
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Wow...choking on the dust from this one. Lol. Bill, your answer? 
About the shaking, at your age you could’ve convinced friends you were developing Parkinson’s. And when you stopped using clenyou could claim that you cured it.
Don’t hold your breath for an answer. Click on Bill’s name, he was last seen here on Jan 3,2016.
the only thing I'll add (being an old guy), that while 150 mg is a low dose of primo, there will still be positive affects. This deal where you need a minimum amount of primo like 600 mg per week ( or a gram of this or that) to see anything is bullshit. So I don't think your statement that having normal test wouldn't see anything should be re-thought
Oh, and once again, being an older fella like myself, Mast affects my prostate way way more than primo
Do you find that Primo affects your LDL more so now than when you were younger? I’m getting up there in age haven’t crossed the 50 threshold. Ran Primo for the first time, ldl is high which is normal for me after any cycle.
Just curious if you find Primo to be milder on your lipids than other compounds.
Had no effect, but I take lipitor anyways
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