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day one of attempting to restart

pmgamer18 said:
How long did you do the HCG when I started and I am primary been like this for over 22 yrs. I started adding HCG to my 150 mg. weekly T shot doing 500 IU's 3 x's a week. It took a good 15 shots for my testis to start working again. Then my T went up from 650 to 1087 my lab range is 262 to 1598 so this did the trick for me. I started to feel the best I ever felt on TRT in the 22 yrs I was on it. Did you give the HCG time to work. When my E2 went higher I just took more Arimidex. I settled down to 64 mgs. of Depo T shots every 3 days and doing my HCG 100 mgs everyday. So it can take 2 to 3 months for your testis to get up to speed.
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128 mg of T every 6 days ? Does your Dr prescribe this ? It's the highest dose I have seen. Also how do you draw 64mgs
 
Yes everything I do in though my Dr. My Deop T is 200mg/ml I draw .32 mls and shot in my thigh every 3 days. This may seem high to your but 20 yrs. ago when shots came out they were giving 300 to 400 mg. shots every 4 weeks.
 
pmgamer18 said:
Yes everything I do in though my Dr. My Deop T is 200mg/ml I draw .32 mls and shot in my thigh every 3 days. This may seem high to your but 20 yrs. ago when shots came out they were giving 300 to 400 mg. shots every 4 weeks.
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Well you're using 640 mgs every 30 days. Just never saw a Dr prescribe a dose that high.
 
lou123 said:
Well you're using 640 mgs every 30 days. Just never saw a Dr prescribe a dose that high.
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What is your point how many Dr.'s do you know. My total T levels at 150 mgs of Depo T a week were 650 my labs range is 262 to 1598 and at 650 I was not doing very good. It is not about how much your doing or what the range is it is about how one feels.
 
pmgamer18 said:
What is your point how many Dr.'s do you know. My total T levels at 150 mgs of Depo T a week were 650 my labs range is 262 to 1598 and at 650 I was not doing very good. It is not about how much your doing or what the range is it is about how one feels.
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Relax, I was just asking a question, i could care less if you take 1000 mg week
 
end of day 20

10mg nolva

no depression today, I think yesterday had more to do with life circumstance than hormonal levels

workout strong today, feel good
 
Re: Welcome

marianco said:
Mike, I welcome you to this forum. You appear extremely bright and high credentialled.

I personally don't want to discuss your license revocation. Such discussion tends to bring inflammatory rather than useful discussion.

I primarily want the discussion to keep its focus on Men's Health - with the valuable input you can bring.
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Mike, welcome to the board. You have incredible credentials. This board and all of its forums will benefit from your presence. I think the rest of the guys will agree with me once your background and presence are felt around here. Pat
 
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HeadDoc said:
Mike, welcome to the board. You have incredible credentials. This board and all of its forums will benefit from your presence. I think the rest of the guys will agree with me once your background and presence are felt around here. Pat
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Agree with you HeadDoc. I was folow his texts in the past 5 years over internet, and all i can say is GREAT.
 
lou123 said:
Relax, I was just asking a question, i could care less if you take 1000 mg week
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Dam man I read this this morning and my post back to you sounded like some smart ass I did not mean for it to come accross that way. No good with putting words to paper sorry for that. What I was trying to say is why do you ask this are your levels good on a low dose. And like most of us have you run the Dr. gambit seeing one after the other and not getting anywhere
I have had this low T for over 22 yrs. My system eats up the T meds big time it takes a lot to get my levels up to where I feel good. Hell if I get an infection my levels drop like a hot patato. Just wired that way. But it is not uncommon for some men to need higher doses to get there levels up. Here is a copy of a post from one of Dr. Shippens men Dr. Shippen wrote the best seller "The Testosterone Syndrome" and has low T him self.

Found this interesting conversation on another website regarding subQ injection of Depo-T apparently being Dr. Shippen's favorite way to administer T - at least as of February 2004 . . . have any thoughts on this Dr. C?:

http://forum.avantlabs.com/index.php?showtopic=8130

[From the link above:]
[Initial posting:]
"I was corresponding with a patient of Dr. Eugene Shippen (THE TESTOSTERONE SYNDROME) about Dr. Shippen's protocol. Apparently his preferred method of testosterone replacement therapy in cases where he otherwise might have tried pellets, creams or gels is now SUBCUTANEOUS testosterone injection. According to this patient, unlike intramuscular injection, subcutaneous injection of a small amount three times per week results in ultra stable levels and low estrogen conversion. Apparently Shippen uses this method for his own testosterone replacement. Not only does it work better than even pellets apparently but it's dirt cheap compared to about any other method.

I was going to get pellets (hypopituitary) but now I wonder if I should try this. I have two questions though:

1) Are there any studies on this method? I couldn't find any.

2) I don't doubt Shippen; the lab work of who knows how many patients would not lie. But if it works so well, why the HELL wasn't this thought of and tested a long time ago?? It seems like there is a big "DUH" factor here."

[A second posting:]
"does he use free testosteorne? a suspension? does he used an oil based ester? specifics please

also, subQ injections are often more painful or lead to inflammation. if you ever have accidentally gotten a steroid injection into the subq instead of the muscle you would understand"

[A reply:]
"I heard back from the patient of Dr. Shippen. He injects depo-testosterone 200mg/ml, .35 ml every 3 days into abdominal fat. He splits the injections into two .18 ml injections which is .36 ml, and says this is because a tiny amount will leak out of the injection site.

According to this patient, this dosing schedule leaves him with a stable 900 ng/dl total testosterone level and none of the high estrogen conversion associated with large intramuscular injection.

Apparently Shippen is convinced enough that this is now his preferred method of TRT. I know he starts by trying to get levels into the high normal range by trying to get the body to make its own, but if TRT is called for apparently subcutaneous injection is the first thing he prescribes."
[This appears to be 70mg every 3 days for a total of 163mg/wk]

As you can see this is more T then I do.
 
Dam man I read this this morning and my post back to you sounded like some smart ass I did not mean for it to come accross that way.

I have read many of your posts and figured it was not meant that way but I wasn't exactly sure. I just like to know what works for everyone and I haven't seen anyone on the dose you use. I also find it interesting how 150mg/week without HCG doesn't get your levels up
 
lou123 said:
Dam man I read this this morning and my post back to you sounded like some smart ass I did not mean for it to come accross that way.

I have read many of your posts and figured it was not meant that way but I wasn't exactly sure. I just like to know what works for everyone and I haven't seen anyone on the dose you use. I also find it interesting how 150mg/week without HCG doesn't get your levels up
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Type "A" who knows when I was on Testim I was doing 10 grams and my levels same range was 600 so my Dr. had to give me 200 mgs. of Depo T shots every 2 weeks but this drove up E2 big time. What I am doing now is the best it gets. But I have taked to a few guys that are like me. Needing a lot of T to get there levels up. We are all not the same and I don't feel size has anything to do with it.
 
my original intent was that I thought that longer term restart was in order, but I feel as though I rebounded much faster than expected on this protocal, strength and mood is very good, libido is still lagging though, so I am going to come off of the serms earlier than planned and see what happens
 
Chap, you might want to try some trib, some guys get on good with that but I really didnt notice much.
I am day 16 myself and am going to try the trib after my HCG is done.
I have some other herbs to go along with that for libido if you would like the list.
 
well, I don't know if this is premature or just coincidence, but libido seemed to be better in the last short while, I'm wondering if the drop in nolvadex dosages lately is helping


I have selegeline on order too.
 
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