day one of attempting to restart

3xKrazy

Junior Member
chap said:
Just now wondering when the acne or evidence of it will finally be gone.

It doesn't feel 'active' anymore, but the bumps and redness are still visible. seems like it takes months for the skin to completely heal back to a normal color... the hcg was the worst for me for acne

I would give it some time. Simple hormonal fluctuations (not just being at a supraphysiological dose) can cause acne.

I would say in 3 months or so after things have stabilized your skin should be much better.
 

chap

Junior Member
sorry to post twice on the same subject in the same day, but my libido is so good right now, I never thought it would happen like this....... life is good!!!
 

1cc

Junior Member
chap said:
sorry to post twice on the same subject in the same day, but my libido is so good right now, I never thought it would happen like this....... life is good!!!

Thats great chap. If you can make it past 2 months feeling this way, then hopefully it will remain constant.
 

chap

Junior Member
day 34, libido great, spontaneous erection actually! the nicest thing is feeling that 'buildup' that was absolutely nonexistant while on any form of testosterone injections... it does remind me of how sexual urges can hurt your productivity though, when your mind won't stay on work at all

I haven't even gotten the selegeline yet, I wonder if I should even risk the side effects or the possibility of it getting a tolerance and actually hurting libido in the long run... I wonder the long term effects of it.
 

1cc

Junior Member
chap said:
I haven't even gotten the selegeline yet, I wonder if I should even risk the side effects or the possibility of it getting a tolerance and actually hurting libido in the long run... I wonder the long term effects of it.

I wouldn't take anything else, since you seem to be doing very well.
 

chap

Junior Member
day 38, got laid today, I was a little nervous about performing, first time with a woman since I started this, because of nerves it took a short while to get going, but once I achieved the erection it was solid and lasting, and the orgasm was extremely good, way better than when I was on trt.... this is a real boost of confidence, and I don't know what it is for sure, but for some reason sex with a partner makes you 'feel' different a few hours later that doesn't seem to work that way with solo action. I felt really good, felt strong, muscles felt pumped a bit, maybe it's all psychological just from 'scoring', but it makes me wonder if there is something hormonally affected by having sex with a woman. I feel on top of the world right now. I'm also wondering if trt interferes with whatever 'sex cascade' might work too, as it didn't seem to be as good when on trt.

Well, I'm doing great, this was a real success that 2 months ago I would never have thought would be possible. Hope it still keeps up but honestly it feels like things are still actually improving day by day, not the opposite.

Still might try the selegeline when I get it, just because I am a sucker for trying to be 'superman', never happy with just normal good ;) that is the personality trait that got me on testosterone in the first place.
 

The_Skeptic

Junior Member
chap said:
d I don't know what it is for sure, but for some reason sex with a partner makes you 'feel' different a few hours later that doesn't seem to work that way with solo action.


I totally agree. It's a more of a full-body experience that lingers after orgasm. For me, after good sex, my nerves are still tingling throughout my body hours after the act.

Masturbation is more penis-focused and seems as if it is more of a release of tension than anything else.
 

chap

Junior Member
maybe it is nature's 'reward mechanism' that makes us go through the trouble of finding a partner for that extra 'good feeling' that masturbation just can't achieve

honestly, something hormonal must be different because it feels inspiring vs. deflating, I guess it could be all psychological, but even then, psychological states can affect body functions and hormones as well.
 

cpeil2

Junior Member
chap said:
day 38, got laid today, I was a little nervous about performing, first time with a woman since I started this, because of nerves it took a short while to get going, but once I achieved the erection it was solid and lasting, and the orgasm was extremely good, way better than when I was on trt.... this is a real boost of confidence, and I don't know what it is for sure, but for some reason sex with a partner makes you 'feel' different a few hours later that doesn't seem to work that way with solo action. I felt really good, felt strong, muscles felt pumped a bit, maybe it's all psychological just from 'scoring', but it makes me wonder if there is something hormonally affected by having sex with a woman. I feel on top of the world right now. I'm also wondering if trt interferes with whatever 'sex cascade' might work too, as it didn't seem to be as good when on trt.

Well, I'm doing great, this was a real success that 2 months ago I would never have thought would be possible. Hope it still keeps up but honestly it feels like things are still actually improving day by day, not the opposite.

Still might try the selegeline when I get it, just because I am a sucker for trying to be 'superman', never happy with just normal good ;) that is the personality trait that got me on testosterone in the first place.



The adverse effect on libido from TRT can be dose-related, I think. Often, with TRT, less is more.
 

1cc

Junior Member
chap said:
Still might try the selegeline when I get it, just because I am a sucker for trying to be 'superman', never happy with just normal good ;) that is the personality trait that got me on testosterone in the first place.

Wait for a few months first before trying anything, to make sure that your improvement is permanent.
 

Madball99

Junior Member
CHAP, how long were you doing HCG shots for ? What was the dosage and how often ?? Was your HCG usage a part of long term TRT or part of your recovery protocol (along w/ Clomid and Nova) ?
 

chap

Junior Member
I didn't keep exact records while I was on trt for a long time, but I mixed in HCG probably for the last 6 months of trt, then went off the testosterone completely and continued with HCG alone for probably a couple of months, and things were better on HCG only, but I was injecting it at least once a day (I tried twice daily shots for a while too). then I quit the HCG cold turkey and about a week later did my aggressive SERM protocal. (I would have started the SERM's immediately, but it was a supply problem at the time that resulted in the week of lag time)

the first 5 days or so was hell, but all of the sudden the SERM's did the job and my hpta kicked in and I started to feel good really rapidly
 

chap

Junior Member
well today is day 39, it seemed like libido got better when the nolva stopped, so for me I think the serms did their job in getting testosterone flowing, but they interfered with some other part of the libido process, so now that I am off the serms the testosterone is still good and now libido has improved.

My libido is still not that of a 20 year old, but I think for a 40 year old like me it is pretty decent. I almost felt like I could do a couple of ejaculations in an evening if I had tried with the girl yesterday, which is pretty decent. I'm still probably going to try the selegeline when I get it because I am on that 'anti-aging' type quest to be 18 again.

Strength and physique wise I am doing extremely well.
 

chap

Junior Member
one thing I really notice the difference in is quality of orgasm, it is night and day from when I was on testosterone injections. The orgasms while on hrt were always a bit of work to induce and they didn't feel that intense usually... now that I am natural they are getting really earth shattering, the sensation lasts for much longer and is much more intense.

day 40 today and feel real good
 

hackskii

Member
That is super.

I cant wait till day 40 myself, but then again that is 23 days away:D
I can't wait to be off everything.
 

Normandy

Junior Member
This will actually be my first post on here, so i apologize for any screwups. Chap, could you elaborate on how you finally ended up tapering down the doses of clomid/nolva. Did you log ur doses/day or something like that?





-- Rob
 

chap

Junior Member
today is something like day 46, I have abstained for a few days, and today libido was really really good..... that is one thing I noticed that when on trt I could go for a week without ejaculating and it never seemed to build up desire much at all, so that is one thing I really appreciate about being natural now.

to answer the last post's question, I did nolva 20mg pretty much the whole 4 weeks, tapering it down to 10 and then 5 the last week... the clomid I started very aggressively, 300 mg for 3 days, 200 mg/day 40 nolva for 3 days, 100 mg/day for 3 days, then 50 mg a day for one week
 
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chap

Junior Member
getting close to the two month point, and feel really good, still lean, testicle size good, gym strength good, libido I would say normal for a 40 year old guy like me, I would like to have the overwhelming urge to ejaculate two or three times a day, but 3 or so times a week as it is now is probably normal :) orgasms are really good and ejaculate volume is really good.

so far this has been a major success
 
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