JesterBOB
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In my squats, the hamstrings are also well loaded.
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PrimoBowling
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Barbell movements= crippled mangled and snapped up. It's a meme lift. Don't fall for it. And if you absolutely HAVE to.... Just work at 70% for a set of 8.
JesterBOB
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I didn't understand what it was about. Explain otherwise
Ridethelightningbarefoot
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I think one of the main things you have to realize is if you use machines the weight is automatically reduced by fulcrum points(pullies) and also the mechanics of the machine with gravity. Like the leg press machine where you load it with weight plates and it moves on a frame supported by linear bearings so much of the load is being supported by the frame because of the angle. Your only lifting roughly 66% of the weight you load. Or with say a lat pull down your pulling a reduced amount of weight then what is actually on the plates because of support from the pulley. So when you actually become strong you will outgrow a lot of machines unless its a gym with higher than normal weights on machines. The best results come from progressive overload which for a lot of people means using free weights and compound movements with a barbell. A barbell you mechanically moving 100% of that load at least for most of the movement. So you are getting a better stimulus to the muscle. I mean if your goals are to stay within a certain weight range and you dont care at all about strength then it doesnt matter so it is goal dependant like everything else just thought Id throw that in there.
It's been like almost 3 months since I last used a barbell and my shoulders have been bitching much less on presses and have even tried goblet squats holding a 50lb db and that felt great.
JesterBOB
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Great post, everything is clear and on the shelves.
Switcher
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There is a place for isolation exercises in training. There is a place for compound exercises in training. Those places can change as you see fit within the scope of whatever program(s) you want to follow.
Anything and everything that confuses the muscles to force them to grow bigger and stronger is good.
Anything and everything that confuses the muscles to force them to grow bigger and stronger is good.
Hightower
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I like to work with gantlemi if I work on the shoulders or chest. Better feel the whole muscle group.
JesterBOB
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I would not say that isolation in bb is useless. This is a good tool for better and more detailed work.
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Deleted member 123722
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I wish I could delete this thread because I've stopped following Brignole completely. He has good points, and I've used his biomechanics to improve my isolations, but I've gone back to compounds, and do them much safer than I was before.
Such is the way of these new ideologies. Welcome back.
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Deleted member 123722
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lol.Such is the way of these new ideologies. Welcome back.
What changed my mind was his debate with Dr. Mike Israetel, who made great points against his, which I found were more sound.
Mike’s philosophy of “full ROM” is also a strange one. Good dude. But same idea.
Sorry bro the Internet is forever!
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Deleted member 123722
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Really? I've applied his ROM for leg press (since I can't squat free weights well), and I've seen a shit-ton more development, and also, less pain lol, specifically with triceps movements.
His argument is that full ROM is shown to get greater results. Interestingly enough, Brignole argues that the last 10% of end of range and beginning range, are not as important; meaning, that 80% of the movement is where the real tension and growth matter.
A guy once told me it takes about ten years of training to fully understand training, nutrition and how you respond to the many different methods and templates available.
This I believe to be true, you'll get it wrong so many times in that ten years before you find something you truly believe in that delivers results consistently and is sustainable long term. For me it's always some form of intelligent periodization, Main lift, supplementle lift and accessories lift all based off a 1 rm
Just to caution you, you hopped on one ideology hard, and now it seems you’re doing it for another.
Is ROM important? Yes. Do it think you should be locking out leg presses, doing every single movement end to end regardless of the target muscle? No.
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Deleted member 123722
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I see your caution, no doubt. I certainly don't and wouldn't lock out on leg presses, fuck that lol. I'll do ROM when it feels right, but if it takes away tension from the muscle worked, I won't. Also, I'm aware sometimes purposely not going full ROM actually emphasizes different parts of a muscle. I'm not married to always going full ROM.
