DNP at low body fat percentage

[RzSco]

I just used DNP for 2 weeks to lose about 5kg and go from 15-16% to 10-12%. My attempts at bulking once again resulted in only fat gain despite my best efforts.

Problem is I still have a lot of fat on my belly and love handles such that my abs are only faintly visible when not flexing, but meanwhile I have veins all over my arms, delts and quads.

I'm not really sure how to proceed now.

1. Do another DNP 400mg for 2 weeks and expect my fat distribution to sort itself out on its own by going to 6-8% bf.

2. Do a low dose DNP (like 100-200mg) + Anavar cycle for 4-6 weeks and hope that the Anavar will target the fat around my waist selectively?

3. Just pay for 3D liposuction on the problem area since the rest of my body already looks pretty good?

 

[Inspired]

I think @Inspired has a point that produce these days is grown in a very intensive way in nutrient-depleted soils using fertilizer to maintain productivity. The crops grown in this way can't have anywhere near the nutritional value of naturally grown ones from pre-industrial farming.

Of course I could buy all organic, high quality food but this will:

A) financially destroy me, moreso than buying supplements
B) may not be much better, organic doesn't mean no fertiliser or intensive farming

I'm just going to recommend that you invest in a good multivitamin. There are a few products I like. It depends on what you want to spend. You can often stack discounts and wait for sales and buy them cheaper than advertised. I like Life Extension Mix Capsules. Their 2 Per Day Multivitamin is also good and it's cheaper (it's not as good as the Mix Capsules though). If you read the label, you can see what's in them. Try to find a product with something similar. If you needed one product, it would be a multivitamin. It won't cover all of your needs, but it's very close. A multivitamin can turn a simple diet or even a bad diet into a complete diet.

 

[Inspired]

A good example of what I am talking about came to mind. Most people have no idea that copper is essential to the makeup of your heart and arteries, and a lot of heart disease is the result of copper deficiency. I bet if everyone here read the copper data, they'd be supplementing.

When they determine the RDA, it's never based off good science, and the RDA is nearly never revised when new or better science shows the need for a change to the RDA. Take a look at this RDA history for copper.

Deliberations and Evaluations of the Approaches, Endpoints and Paradigms for Dietary Recommendations about Copper

Abstract. Important aspects of copper nutrition were collected from all 10 editions of the Recommended Dietary Allowance along with the history of the paradigm

academic.oup.com

Now when someone like the OP RzSco is maybe deficient in copper for a lifetime, and he starts supplementing, what may happen? Perhaps the restorative effect of copper on his heart will enable his heart to adapt and carry the muscle mass he is trying to carry, but seemingly can't put on his frame? Maybe. What is for sure is that adequate-optimized levels of copper will be protective and most people cannot reach those levels with regular food nowadays.

 

[RzSco]

@Inspired I have read that copper has to be taken separately from other supplements to absorb properly, is this true and are there any other supplements that have to be taken separately?

Is milk fatty enough for taking fat soluble vitamins?

Since you seem to know a lot on this subject!

 

[Inspired]

@Inspired I have read that copper has to be taken separately from other supplements to absorb properly, is this true and are there any other supplements that have to be taken separately?

Is milk fatty enough for taking fat soluble vitamins?

Since you seem to know a lot on this subject!

You are correct about certain substances competing for absorption. I think there is a workaround for the copper and the zinc. If you take the bisglycinate forms of copper and zinc, I believe they will both be able to be absorbed at the same time. Chelation of minerals does help them bypass the competition in the gut. However, I still try to take them separately when I can because I am not sure.

I would take iron separately from all of your other minerals. The body prefers to absorb iron. Remember, iron displaces copper, and prevents copper absorption. Over time, this gets worse because the body can sort of lose the ability to utilize copper properly. That's another reason to use copper when you are also ingesting iron.

Some people think that the casein (by binding to the nutrients and by slowing gut motility) or calcium in milk binds with certain nutrients and prevents absorption. Some of that may be true. Your body will prefer to absorb calcium in the first order of priority. I happen to think that the phosphorus to calcium ratio in milk changes the nature of how the calcium in the milk in absorbed(more efficiently), freeing up the gut's capacity to absorb the other competing minerals.

But let's say that milk does get in the way of absorbing other nutrients, I don't think it is too substantial. I discovered that swallowing all these capsules is so easy with milk, that my compliance with following my plans will be much higher. So I started taking my vitamins with milk, and I feel great. I think the milk really acts like a catalyst to get the body into absorption mode. And it's not available to everyone but I recommend raw milk if you can get it.

For fat soluble vitamins, full fat milk can be ok, but I think it is also good to add additional fat. A small spoon of coconut oil for example. Generally, the more fat, the higher the absorption, so you get your money's worth. You can also use betaine HCL (which is basically acid to help you digest) and/or bioperine (black pepper extract that basically increases absorption of everything you take. It's great).

Any other questions, just ask and I'll try to help.

 

[Blang]

What is for sure is that adequate-optimized levels of copper will be protective and most people cannot reach those levels with regular food nowadays.

Horseshit.

I implore anyone reading this thread to take what Inspired says with a grain of salt. There's a lot of good info in there, but he is clearly one of those people obsessed with taking every compound in existence, to the point where he's not objectively looking at anything. It's just "you should take this, and this, and this, and this".

No discussion of downsides, risks, measuring intakes or assessing bloodwork. Just a massive list of things you have to take because nearly everything can be seen as theoretically beneficial.

It sounds amazing on the surface but it can be borderline dangerous.

 

[Pineapples4Puss]

Horseshit.

I implore anyone reading this thread to take what Inspired says with a grain of salt. There's a lot of good info in there, but he is clearly one of those people obsessed with taking every compound in existence, to the point where he's not objectively looking at anything. It's just "you should take this, and this, and this, and this".

No discussion of downsides, risks, measuring intakes or assessing bloodwork. Just a massive list of things you have to take because nearly everything can be seen as theoretically beneficial.

It sounds amazing on the surface but it can be borderline dangerous.

It also is probably .0005% of benefit for 99% of people who eat properly…

But no eat a shit diet and take a multivitamin it’s just as good as someone who gets nutrients from real food. xD

 

[Rido]

Horseshit.

I implore anyone reading this thread to take what Inspired says with a grain of salt. There's a lot of good info in there, but he is clearly one of those people obsessed with taking every compound in existence, to the point where he's not objectively looking at anything. It's just "you should take this, and this, and this, and this".

No discussion of downsides, risks, measuring intakes or assessing bloodwork. Just a massive list of things you have to take because nearly everything can be seen as theoretically beneficial.

It sounds amazing on the surface but it can be borderline dangerous.

but what is micronutrient poisoning? No such thing, blah blah blah government is trying to keep you down. blah blah blah

 

[Pineapples4Puss]

but what is micronutrient poisoning? No such thing, blah blah blah government is trying to keep you down. blah blah blah

You’re in the matrix.

Take this vyvanse and escape my brother

 

[Inspired]

Horseshit.

I implore anyone reading this thread to take what Inspired says with a grain of salt. There's a lot of good info in there, but he is clearly one of those people obsessed with taking every compound in existence, to the point where he's not objectively looking at anything. It's just "you should take this, and this, and this, and this".

No discussion of downsides, risks, measuring intakes or assessing bloodwork. Just a massive list of things you have to take because nearly everything can be seen as theoretically beneficial.

It sounds amazing on the surface but it can be borderline dangerous.

Everyone's diet is individual and you want to assume everybody magically gets enough nutrients? You don't even know what someone eats, yet you make these claims. You're wrong.

 

[Inspired]

but what is micronutrient poisoning? No such thing, blah blah blah government is trying to keep you down. blah blah blah

The RDA is based on bad science. The government decided the RDA. The RDA is inadequate. Keep on trusting the government. Please get more boosters.

 

[Pineapples4Puss]

The RDA is based on bad science. The government decided the RDA. The RDA is inadequate. Keep on trusting the government. Please get more boosters.

The RDA isn’t based on being the healthiest. It’s the bare minimum to be adequate for the average person so the general public does not get sick.

When you get 100% on the RDA scale it isn’t meant to be the healthiest intake. That isn’t the point of the RDA.

 

[Inspired]

The RDA isn’t based on being the healthiest. It’s the bare minimum to be adequate for the average person so the general public does not get sick.

When you get 100% on the RDA scale it isn’t meant to be the healthiest intake. That isn’t the point of the RDA.

The RDA is inadequate for basic health. You've got to do an analysis of the data covering how each nutrient was discovered, the early and later experiments done on each nutrient, and how the RDA was determined. I suggest you read into it. It's very interesting. People get sick and age.....largely because their nutrition sucks. Either way, I don't want to argue about it. I'm not here to write a dissertation every time the basics need explaining.

 

[Blang]

Everyone's diet is individual and you want to assume everybody magically gets enough nutrients? You don't even know what someone eats, yet you make these claims. You're wrong.

Nowhere did I say "everybody gets enough nutrients". Sick strawman, my dude.

God damn, your pseudointellectualism is so phony it fell apart the moment someone even began to challenge you.

Hopefully anyone reading this will (correctly) see that as a sign to not take any of your false-confidence and "expertise" at face value.

 

[Pineapples4Puss]

The RDA is inadequate for basic health. You've got to do an analysis of the data covering how each nutrient was discovered, the early and later experiments done on each nutrient, and how the RDA was determined. I suggest you read into it. It's very interesting. People get sick and age.....largely because their nutrition sucks. Either way, I don't want to argue about it. I'm not here to write a dissertation every time the basics need explaining.

You just repeated what I said.

It isn’t health based it’s bare minimum.

Bare minimum effort = bare minimum results?

Reading comprehension may be required before writing dissertations.

 

[Inspired]

Nowhere did I say "everybody gets enough nutrients". Sick strawman, my dude.

God damn, your pseudointellectualism is so phony it fell apart the moment someone even began to challenge you.

Hopefully anyone reading this will (correctly) see that as a sign to not take any of your false-confidence and "expertise" at face value.

You said "horseshit". I responded to this "horseshit". Tell me why copper and copper supplementation is "horseshit". Tell me why the RDA for copper is correct and tell me how much dietary copper the average person is actually eating.

My quote was: "What is for sure is that adequate-optimized levels of copper will be protective and most people cannot reach those levels with regular food nowadays."

 

[Inspired]

You just repeated what I said.

It isn’t health based it’s bare minimum.

Bare minimum effort = bare minimum results?

Reading comprehension may be required before writing dissertations.

No. I am saying the RDA is NOT adequate and the RDA does not quality as "the bare minimum" even if some bureaucrats label it as such.

 

[Zebedee]

God damn, your pseudointellectualism is so phony it fell apart the moment someone even began to challenge you.

Hopefully anyone reading this will (correctly) see that as a sign to not take any of your false-confidence and "expertise" at face value.

This gets my vote for Best Post Of The Week

 

[Iron_Yuppie]

I probably have Klinefelter syndrome or something.

No, you have body dysmorphia.

You look like a normal guy who’s in shape, what the fuck is wrong with you thinking you need surgery? Stop being a gigantic weeping pussy.

 

[Rido]

This gets my vote for Best Post Of The Week

inspired is now the biggest clown of this forum.

 

[Inspired]

inspired is now the biggest clown of this forum.

How many cents did you collect in your account for that comment?