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[Deleted member 123722]

So you pinned your test on Monday, and then had your blood drawn Wednesday before you pinned, is that correct? That means you got a trough value, not a peak value.

I pin basically M, W, F at the same times, around 10:30-11:30 am then I hit the gym.

So last injection before bloods was around that time, and I took nothing that morning other than GH.

 

[theotherguy]

Well I appreciate it, but I actually hope to be convinced that this is normal with age or something else. Even I doubt that PPL is sending 50% purity raws lol. Even at 90%, I should still have a good reading. So perhaps it is me after all? I'm wiling to accept that so long as I get a logical and clear explanation. And I am more than willing to publicly apologize and have admin nuke all my threads on this matter.

A little quick and rough math tells me that you would've been about 75-80% max blood concentration after 48 hours. So let's divide 1783/77.5%=2300 (poorly estimated peak value), which puts you closer to a 4.8x response. Still not great relative to your previous readings, but that's something.

Based on the fact that you're pinning MWF, I think the most accurate way of checking bloods (for max test concentration) is by getting your blood drawn a few hours after a Friday morning Pin. That extra 2 days in between will actually give you the lowest peak value on Monday after pinning and highest would be Friday after pinning

 

[Connor 25257]

Everyone knows your OPINION on this, and you aren't changing anyones mind. It is one thing to state your opinion, it is another thing to try to force your opinion on others. No one likes that shit

I understand that. But at the same time, I think we have more than enough proof that the quality of raws is getting poorer and poorer. I apologize that it seems I’m forcing my opinion. I just find it discouraging that UGLs and steroids in general are just slowly getting worse and worse.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

A little quick and rough math tells me that you would've been about 75-80% max blood concentration after 48 hours. So let's divide 1783/77.5%=2300 (poorly estimated peak value), which puts you closer to a 4.8x response. Still not great relative to your previous readings, but that's something.

Based on the fact that you're pinning MWF, I think the most accurate way of checking bloods (for max test concentration) is by getting your blood drawn a few hours after a Friday morning Pin. That extra 2 days in between will actually give you the lowest peak value on Monday after pinning and highest would be Friday after pinning

Now just to understand, if I didn't split my shots MWF, and did everything Monday and Thursday, adding more hormones at once, I would have a higher reading than having more shots with less hormones in each, for a lower reading? I always assumed that once you were on along enough, the hormone stays the same, your injections keep it up there, and only drop when you miss shots.

 

[theotherguy]

Now just to understand, if I didn't split my shots MWF, and did everything Monday and Thursday, adding more hormones at once, I would have a higher reading than having more shots with less hormones in each, for a lower reading? I always assumed that once you were on along enough, the hormone stays the same, your injections keep it up there, and only drop when you miss shots.

Your body is constantly eliminating hormone, and it is (mathmatically) an exponential decay. You would get a much higher peak value after pinning 240 mg than you would 160 mg (assuming you had already reached max blood concentration).

The human body is an incredibly complex system that I am not even going to try to pretend to understand, but there are small bits that I do understand. You will have a lower trough value monday morning based on how much hormone is eliminated in 72 hours than you will on Friday morning. In that time you have built the blood concentration back up (slightly) by only going 48 hours between shots instead of 72 hours.

If you do shots 84 hours apart, your blood concentration will be more comsistemt than doing 48 hours, 48 hours, 72 hours. but you will have higher peaks and lower troughs.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Your body is constantly eliminating hormone, and it is (mathmatically) an exponential decay. You would get a much higher peak value after pinning 240 mg than you would 160 mg (assuming you had already reached max blood concentration).

The human body is an incredibly complex system that I am not even going to try to pretend to understand, but there are small bits that I do understand. You will have a lower trough value monday morning based on how much hormone is eliminated in 72 hours than you will on Friday morning. In that time you have built the blood concentration back up (slightly) by only going 48 hours between shots instead of 72 hours.

If you do shots 84 hours apart, your blood concentration will be more comsistemt than doing 48 hours, 48 hours, 72 hours. but you will have higher peaks and lower troughs.

So in light of all this, what is your take on this situation now? I agree that I find it highly doubtful that PPL is sending out 50% pure raws, but I also don't think I screw up so badly that each CC is 80mg lol. I don't' see how add 10ml of oil would dilute that.

The Primo is also working, since my Free Test is insanely high, would you agree?

So then maybe it is just my body for some weird reason, or the blood work is an anomaly?

 

[Connor 25257]

So in light of all this, what is your take on this situation now? I agree that I find it highly doubtful that PPL is sending out 50% pure raws, but I also don't think I screw up so badly that each CC is 80mg lol. I don't' see how add 10ml of oil would dilute that.

The Primo is also working, since my Free Test is insanely high, would you agree?

So then maybe it is just my body for some weird reason, or the blood work is an anomaly?

Honest opinion; based off what Jano just said, I think it’s fair to assume that your raws are not very pure. I’d suspect no lower than 90; but no higher than 96.

 

[theotherguy]

So in light of all this, what is your take on this situation now? I agree that I find it highly doubtful that PPL is sending out 50% pure raws, but I also don't think I screw up so badly that each CC is 80mg lol. I don't' see how add 10ml of oil would dilute that.

The Primo is also working, since my Free Test is insanely high, would you agree?

So then maybe it is just my body for some weird reason, or the blood work is an anomaly?

My take has never changed, I don't think bloodwork is a good indicator of hormone concentration in an oil. I still think that HPLC testing of the raw is your best bet.

Is it possible that the raws are of low purity? sure. Is it possible you messed up the brew? sure. I think there are far too many variables that occur in the human body to say that blood testing is an accurate way of measuring the hormone purity or in your oil.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Honest opinion; based off what Jano just said, I think it’s fair to assume that your raws are not very pure. I’d suspect no lower than 90; but no higher than 96.

And if that is the case, it still isn't enough to blame the results on the raws. And if they aren't fake, I could just simply double them for higher results.

 

[theotherguy]

Honest opinion; based off what Jano just said, I think it’s fair to assume that your raws are not very pure. I’d suspect no lower than 90; but no higher than 96.

that's a fair assessment, but still does not explain his blood work.

 

[theotherguy]

And if that is the case, it still isn't enough to blame the results on the raws. And if they aren't fake, I could just simply double them for higher results.

The most effective method is going to be HPLC testing instead of throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. You're playing with fire by attempting to just simply double the amount of oil you;re using

 

[Deleted member 123722]

The most effective method is going to be HPLC testing instead of throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. You're playing with fire by attempting to just simply double the amount of oil you;re using

Yea, I'm just waiting to see if PPL is going to accept tests for Jano. He should otherwise that's not a good look either.

 

[Connor 25257]

that's a fair assessment, but still does not explain his blood work.

I think it’s best everyone just stops running ugl gear and get real shit. Yea, it’s more expensive. But it’s well worth it knowing it’s accurate and what it says on the vial/blister pack. UGL is fucking garbage.
1. The raws are getting absolutely horrible
2. I would suspect most bodybuilders are running pharma Primo and pharma Test for growth phases anyway
3. No more worries
4. Always going to be available for purchase *black market* as it’s pharmaceutical
5. We won’t have to make threads like this one anymore talking about how garbage a particular lab/raws producer is

 

[Tmisatix]

I think it’s best everyone just stops running ugl gear and get real shit. Yea, it’s more expensive. But it’s well worth it knowing it’s accurate and what it says on the vial/blister pack. UGL is fucking garbage.
1. The raws are getting absolutely horrible
2. I would suspect most bodybuilders are running pharma Primo and pharma Test for growth phases anyway
3. No more worries
4. Always going to be available for purchase *black market* as it’s pharmaceutical
5. We won’t have to make threads like this one anymore talking about how garbage a particular lab/raws producer is

The shortage is not just with AAS , so there is definitely a shortage . Creatine and other supplements are also becoming scarce. Maybe manufacturing of the actual product will be done within the country soon?


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh8Llxz11IY

 

[Iron_Yuppie]

I think we have more than enough proof that the quality of raws is getting poorer and poorer.

Stanford just opened up his shop to the public again. Go look at his testing, both raw and finished. Purities are all around what we’ve seen for years. You can’t claim that products are getting worse without proving evidence.

Cialis raws are really shitty now and have been for maybe more than a year. We know this because we have a bunch of tests to confirm this. If raw testosterone was coming in <95% we’d see tests proving as much. Cialis is tested much less frequently than something like test c or nandrolone. And yet with more tests of those popular compounds we’ve seen fewer bad results than with non-steroids like Cialis (and in one case clomid). What you’re suggesting is not backed by much proof. A poor result here and there is not evidence of a system-wide decline. Not yet at least.

 

[Parabolic]

Stanford just opened up his shop to the public again. Go look at his testing, both raw and finished. Purities are all around what we’ve seen for years. You can’t claim that products are getting worse without proving evidence.

Cialis raws are really shitty now and have been for maybe more than a year. We know this because we have a bunch of tests to confirm this. If raw testosterone was coming in <95% we’d see tests proving as much. Cialis is tested much less frequently than something like test c or nandrolone. And yet with more tests of those popular compounds we’ve seen fewer bad results than with non-steroids like Cialis (and in one case clomid). What you’re suggesting is not backed by much proof. A poor result here and there is not evidence of a system-wide decline. Not yet at least.

Always see dudes claiming x or y, get told labtest it, they go radio silent. Obviously in the case of falseprophet guy it's reasonable.

He lives in USA? and it's not exactly easy to test.

 

[Parabolic]

Yea, I'm just waiting to see if PPL is going to accept tests for Jano. He should otherwise that's not a good look either.

Frankly in this case it's reasonable to request that. Get your powders checked if possible not the brew. Do you have any powder left? just rules out a brewing mistake.

 

[Hollow123]

I think it’s best everyone just stops running ugl gear and get real shit. Yea, it’s more expensive. But it’s well worth it knowing it’s accurate and what it says on the vial/blister pack. UGL is fucking garbage.
1. The raws are getting absolutely horrible
2. I would suspect most bodybuilders are running pharma Primo and pharma Test for growth phases anyway
3. No more worries
4. Always going to be available for purchase *black market* as it’s pharmaceutical
5. We won’t have to make threads like this one anymore talking about how garbage a particular lab/raws producer is

Bullshit, you have no proof the raws are any worse now to say 5 years ago. Testing of raws is more readily available now so it highlights errors that have always been there.

 

[Connor 25257]

Stanford just opened up his shop to the public again. Go look at his testing, both raw and finished. Purities are all around what we’ve seen for years. You can’t claim that products are getting worse without proving evidence.

Cialis raws are really shitty now and have been for maybe more than a year. We know this because we have a bunch of tests to confirm this. If raw testosterone was coming in <95% we’d see tests proving as much. Cialis is tested much less frequently than something like test c or nandrolone. And yet with more tests of those popular compounds we’ve seen fewer bad results than with non-steroids like Cialis (and in one case clomid). What you’re suggesting is not backed by much proof. A poor result here and there is not evidence of a system-wide decline. Not yet at least.

If by “years” you mean the last 2, then sure. Doesn’t change the fact the raws are getting shit. When test raws do come back at 94-95% pure, people will still be saying “oh that’s still good. It’s been like that for yearrrrrssss”Deca raws have been coming in at 93-94% for months on end now; just a year ago, they were 98%+…. Jet Labs *the Canadian domestic source that just opened * has been doing great! Sadly, I don’t live in Canada; but I’m willing to bet he’s not using shit fuck Purple Panda Raws. When the Chinese Communist Party hits raw manufacturing with a ban; you can kiss it goodbye. Thankfully, I just ordered a few boxes of pharmaceutical Test E Amps from an international source that I’ve used multiple times.I know I’m getting a legitimate product made with pure raws. Now I don’t have to worry when the CCP fucks every UGL in the entire world either. I plan on getting primo in a few weeks.

 

[Heavy Iron]

The shortage is not just with AAS , so there is definitely a shortage . Creatine and other supplements are also becoming scarce. Maybe manufacturing of the actual product will be done within the country soon?


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh8Llxz11IY

The supplement industry makes 30+ billion dollars per year. It's not going anywhere. COVID really fucked up manufacturing and logistics for everything. For example. I own an auto detailing business and there is an aerosol enzymatic cleaner... It's now gone because they had to redirect the cans they use for Lysol and shit because of COVID. The rebound from that will take some time. But as for the supplement industry I don't think it's fading anytime soon.