Justaguy99
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EQ and Primo would have my e2 tanked and I'd be hiding in my basement from the certain doom that would occur if I went in public
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Does anyone here actually like EQ?
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Pulpfiction
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I’ve only had one really good cycle with eq, it made me super hungry, more vascular than I ever been, but mad anxiety as well. More so than any other compound. Didn’t start to show until week 7-8. I ran it with test at 7 eq at 6 and mast 3. I was only looking to lean out and gain some lean muscle mass, not get super jacked and it did the job.
borkies
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I'm on my first blast with EQ right now, 500 test, 300 EQ, 300 deca. Really enjoying it, other than the HCT issues I was dealing with a few weeks ago. It has my E2 fairly low though, I haven't needed an AI and it's hovering around 25-30 which feels surprisingly good (I usually let it creep up around 60-70 during a blast). I've noticed my skin looks really nice, my endurance is heightened and my veins are starting to pop more than usual. I'm sleeping much better this blast than usual as well (probably the lower E2). I stayed away from EQ for the longest time because I hear so much bad about it, but I'm really glad I ran it this time and will probably stack it in again next year. Really enjoying my daily cardio lately and I feel like the EQ is helping in that respect. Oh and the hunger gains, always hungry which is a plus during blast.
Edit: oh also to answer your other question... I don't know that it's contributing that greatly to any gains, it's acting as a sort of ancillary compound more than anything. I think anything I've gained this cycle likely came from the test/deca/food. Usually at this point in my cycle I'd start getting a lil bit of back fat at my waistline - I'm up 12lbs and so far zero back fat gains. If I were a betting man I'd say that 12 pounds consists primarily of water, glycogen and 2-3lbs lean mass, hardly any fat.
Edit: oh also to answer your other question... I don't know that it's contributing that greatly to any gains, it's acting as a sort of ancillary compound more than anything. I think anything I've gained this cycle likely came from the test/deca/food. Usually at this point in my cycle I'd start getting a lil bit of back fat at my waistline - I'm up 12lbs and so far zero back fat gains. If I were a betting man I'd say that 12 pounds consists primarily of water, glycogen and 2-3lbs lean mass, hardly any fat.
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Juicedhead
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this is good man becasue I am wanting to not run an AI as ive been hearing they are not good for you? how long have you been on this cycle and would you say you coul feel the eq kick in at some point? and how did you fix your hct issue?
Juicedhead
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you think the anxiety can be caused by the low e2? I did notice this as well about the same time too about week 8 i noticed it
borkies
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I don't know that aromasin is all that bad. Arimidex yeah I hate that crap. Either way AI's tend to be a nuisance for me - I like to do my daily injection and not think about anything else but sleep, food and training. In that sense EQ has been nice. If you don't like AIs either then yeah it might be a good thing for you.
Just checked the calendar and I'm at week 11 right now, so ... half way into the cycle. I felt that familiar Test magic in the gym around week 6. The HCT/RBC problems hit me around then as well (like week 6 or 7). The constant hunger hit around week 8 as well as the endurance increase. Otherwise I don't feel anything different with respect to training. I'm hoping to net 5 or 6 quality pounds in a 24 week cycle, so far I think I'm on track.
I'm the guy in the aspirin thread from the other day - started twice daily baby aspirin and increased my cardio and knocked my HCT way down into a comfortable range. Gonna go donate blood tonight just in case, get my oil changed.
Astartes
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Yes
Astartes
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This is correct
Juicedhead
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these responses are promising. Im going to run the shit without and ai and use dbol as well just in case cuz i run low e2 anyway im not really a converter i have never had bad e2 sides just what i think was e2 sides but it could have actuallt been high hct, Ive never had sensative nips or anything like that even on a gram of test with dbol so i dont think im really a converter. and my dumbass has never gotten bloods drawn on cycle only when i was trying to recover my hpta which i did so i have no baseline to go off for e2 but i will have bloodwork done on this cycle forsure just to see where my hct rbc and e2 are at
effswithtren
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I’ve been fucking with it this past cycle. Added EQ to offset the e2 from test. At least that’s the plan. I’ve had some spicy titties though, even after frontloading the EQ for a few weeks ahead of time pretty heavy. I’ve had to add AI back in, but at a much diminished dose than as would normally work. Note that this is going by feels, I do not have bloodwork on this currently.
My hunch says it works better as an AI at lower doses of test, but that it gets overwhelmed at higher doses. At lower doses it doesn’t take much EQ to nuke my E2. That statement is supported by bloodwork. Also consider that how much effect it has seems very individual. Some people it nukes E2 no matter what, and some claim it raises their E2.
In terms of anabolism it hasn’t really knocked my socks off. But it’s running alongside a fat dose of test and deca, so that’s to be expected. It’s a mild compound in general, and a lot of people feel it gives them something. To me it doesn’t give much, but I’d rather use it plus some AI than not use it and use a lot of AI. At least there’s SOME added anabolism through that route. I know it raises HCT pretty harshly, but I’ve been running telmisartan and not only has my BP stayed only mildly elevated but my HCT is 45. Without telmisartan I’m sure both BP and HCT would be off the charts.
My hunch says it works better as an AI at lower doses of test, but that it gets overwhelmed at higher doses. At lower doses it doesn’t take much EQ to nuke my E2. That statement is supported by bloodwork. Also consider that how much effect it has seems very individual. Some people it nukes E2 no matter what, and some claim it raises their E2.
In terms of anabolism it hasn’t really knocked my socks off. But it’s running alongside a fat dose of test and deca, so that’s to be expected. It’s a mild compound in general, and a lot of people feel it gives them something. To me it doesn’t give much, but I’d rather use it plus some AI than not use it and use a lot of AI. At least there’s SOME added anabolism through that route. I know it raises HCT pretty harshly, but I’ve been running telmisartan and not only has my BP stayed only mildly elevated but my HCT is 45. Without telmisartan I’m sure both BP and HCT would be off the charts.
Vanargandar
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I would assume adding DBOL would help with potential low estrogen sides, but I wouldn't know from personal experience, although it inherently makes sense.
I would highly recommend getting bloodwork on cycle. Here's my thread in regards to pricing/where to get it: Basic/Affordable/Comprehensive Bloodwork
Juicedhead
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where do i get this telamisartan? Ive heard nothing but good things about it
Vanargandar
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You can tell your PCP you're concerned about your BP, it runs in your family, etc, tell them your dad and uncle both take Telmisartan, and they respond really well to it. Chances are they'll prescribe it to you.
Another option is getting it prescribed through a telehealth service, establishing a new PCP, and then telling them all the medications you take (your newly prescribed Telmisartan included).
There's also plenty of sources on here that sell it, one of them may or may not start with Stan or something...I can't remember...hm...
Dosages range anywhere from 20mg, 40mg, 60mg, and 80mg. Keep track of your BP when taking it so it doesn't get too low and DO NOT suddenly stop taking it as it can cause a dangerous spike in BP (i.e. titrate off).
effswithtren
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Yeah I got mine from ExpressPCT, back when that was a thing. It’s not hard to get. It’s not a cure-all and I think some people treat it like it’s a license to do whatever dumb shit they want, but it’s been absolutely awesome at modulating my BP and HCT.You can tell your PCP you're concerned about your BP, it runs in your family, etc, tell them your dad and uncle both take Telmisartan, and they respond really well to it. Chances are they'll prescribe it to you.
Another option is getting it prescribed through a telehealth service, establishing a new PCP, and then telling them all the medications you take (your newly prescribed Telmisartan included).
There's also plenty of sources on here that sell it, one of them may or may not start with Stan or something...I can't remember...hm...
Dosages range anywhere from 20mg, 40mg, 60mg, and 80mg. Keep track of your BP when taking it so it doesn't get too low and DO NOT suddenly stop taking it as it can cause a dangerous spike in BP (i.e. titrate off).
borkies
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I made the mistake recently of informing my new doctor / medical group (just moved to a new state) that I am on "TRT". Saw the new doc to get my blood pressure meds (Telmisartan/Amlodipine) re-upped and she gave me all kinds of shit about being on test. "Why are you on TRT", "Where do you get your testosterone", "What are your levels at". Not a single question about my BP or family history. She then ordered bloodwork right then and there, drew my blood for a CBC and Testosterone (the shitty non-sensitive max-out-at-1500 one). I told her I like to keep my level around 1000, and she said "maybe we should drop the dose in half get you to 500 or 600, then we can look at your blood pressure."
Bitch.
I told her I was just gonna get my meds on the black market if she wasn't going to help me then I'd help myself.
Juicedhead
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wow bro this is the fucking issue bro they dont want us to be men they want us to be non aggressive and compliant in society so she says oh lets lower your test levels? she should be asking well how do you feel? you feel good at 1000 then we stay there if your blood work looks good and its not causing any problems just think she gets you to 600 next she will try to get yiy off trt completly fucking bullshit. im so sick of this anti masculinity society we are fucking in
Juicedhead
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thanks, so it helps with keeping rbc and hct in range? I have a huge issue with this when i take any gear i cannot confirm since i never pulled bloods on cycle but i had all the symptons and when i give blood i feel so much better so im guessing in running super high hct and rbcYou can tell your PCP you're concerned about your BP, it runs in your family, etc, tell them your dad and uncle both take Telmisartan, and they respond really well to it. Chances are they'll prescribe it to you.
Another option is getting it prescribed through a telehealth service, establishing a new PCP, and then telling them all the medications you take (your newly prescribed Telmisartan included).
There's also plenty of sources on here that sell it, one of them may or may not start with Stan or something...I can't remember...hm...
Dosages range anywhere from 20mg, 40mg, 60mg, and 80mg. Keep track of your BP when taking it so it doesn't get too low and DO NOT suddenly stop taking it as it can cause a dangerous spike in BP (i.e. titrate off).
edit: im currently on amlopadine so i wonder if i could switch it with the doc
borkies
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Right? My wife is on HRT and they practically throw the stuff at her TAKE IT TAKE IT here's all the hormones you want. But me, nah can't have men with decent test levels, here's your soy milk go play video games eat garbage and whack off or something.
Nevermind that I had BP issues before TRT, nevermind that all the men in my family have BP issues, no help for me until I'm castrated.
Juicedhead
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i know its so backward bro the women just want to control us. maybe find a male doc? Id dump that doc so fast if she is ignoring the entire reason youre there for BP iusses which can fucking cause heart attacks if left untreated long enough
Vanargandar
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Definitely find a new PCP. Hell, for what it's worth I got my PCP to prescribe me Testosterone @ 200mg p/w. The only thing she cares about is me not "abusing", so I just come off for 2 weeks before I know she's going to take my T levels (every 4 months) and end up around 600-700. Boom. Monthly pharma Test for $35. I mainly use GL for blasting and keep the pharma for TRT.
Realistically it's all about finding a PCP who's willing to work with you, which is difficult, but not impossible.
