E2 all over the place on Test/Mast

[lunarloom2500]

I'm on 200mg Test E and 200mg Mast E. I experience both low and high estrogen sides such as soft errections, loss of sensitivity, no appetite, pissing a lot, often crying and somewhat bad sleep.

From what I know bloodwork is useless because Mast doesn’t reduce E2 but acts as a SERM. What would you guys do?

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

but seriously. Masteron is like salt. can go with anything.

Doesn't make the meal, but can definitely make it better

I talked about it before. had to compare the anabolism of Test to Mast?

its probably like a 1 to 0.4-0.5 in regards to "anabolism"


OP if you are getting estrogenic issues from 200 test, then may god have mercy on your soul.

 

[Liter O' Test]

but seriously. Masteron is like salt. can go with anything, definitel can make it better.

Doesn't make the meal.

I talked about it before. had to compare the anabolism of Test to Mast?

its probably like a 1 to 0.4-0.5 in regards to "anabolism"


OP if you are getting estrogenic issues from 200 test, then may god have mercy on your soul.

great contribution, a nonsense analogy and a number pulled out of your butt about its anabolism, both having nothing to do with the original post.

Did you read the post?

OP if you are getting estrogenic issues from 200 test, then may god have mercy on your soul.

Hes taking masteron, who said he was having estrogen issues from testosterone? Many people have the side effects he described from masteron.

either you don't know this or you are intentionally ignoring the part about masteron so you can be patronizing

 

[88general88]

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Exactly

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

great contribution, a nonsense analogy and a number pulled out of your butt about its anabolism, both having nothing to do with the original post.

I was following up my previous friendly attack at @lukiss96 . I wasn't responding to OP for that part.

Hes taking masteron, who said he was having estrogen issues from testosterone? Many people have the side effects he described from masteron.

either you don't know this or you are intentionally ignoring the part about masteron so you can be patronizing

He is have problems with E2 control? states it is being too high and too low?

Where does his e2 come from? aromatized from his testosterone.

Who has sides like that from Masteron? Some may, but not many people do.

 

[trtbuilder]

great contribution, a nonsense analogy and a number pulled out of your butt about its anabolism, both having nothing to do with the original post.

Did you read the post?


Hes taking masteron, who said he was having estrogen issues from testosterone? Many people have the side effects he described from masteron.

either you don't know this or you are intentionally ignoring the part about masteron so you can be patronizing

OP thinks bloodwork is useless, thus everyone, including you, is just guessing what the problem is.

Let's not pretend this is a well informed thread.

 

[Liter O' Test]

OP thinks bloodwork is useless, thus everyone, including you, is just guessing what the problem is.

Let's not pretend this is a well informed thread.

Regardless we should give people good advice.

It wouldn't be hard to start out in the wrong places learning about AAS and not know what is what, I'm sure i can find posts all over the internet of people saying bloodwork is useless on masteron due to some "half truth" reasoning like it can give you low estrogen side effects while having normal estrogen, or that it can make you feel like your estrogen is range, despite having high estrogen.

Then combine this with the fact it seems like the people that are most against A.Is, and have the most controversial opinions seem to be the loudest people in some places. spamming how bad A.Is are and how you dont need to take them, and how you should take EQ/PRIMO/MAST instead or people that believe that having triple digit e2 is totally fine, giving advice out to new people. These people are the loudest and most confident (because of their estrogen) and i cant fault any new user for listening to this advice.

This is why we get so many primo and masteron questions.

We even had a guy get told to stop taking A.I despite having bloodwork that his e2 was PERFECT on aromasin, literally within 1 p/mol of his natural levels, and told to take proviron instead.

i was in a steroid discord and I merely said how much a.i I was taking, an hour later someone tagged and replied to me, spamming how toxic A.I was and im going to die, went so far as using voice messages so they can preach to me while they were at work, frantically telling me how bad it was. So i cant fault these new guys for having no idea what they are doing when there are some real weridos in this space now

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

So i cant fault these new guys for having no idea what they are doing when there are some real weridos in this space now

They are asking questions without giving enough context, same thing as you.

You were one of them, you still haven't changed much since your first thread here.

 

[Liter O' Test]

They are asking questions without giving enough context, same thing as you.

You were one of them, you still haven't changed much since your first thread here.

Now your excuse for not giving helpful/accurate information is blaming the guy for not giving enough context?

He told us what he is taking and what his symptoms are, what more does he need to tell us?

If he truly didnt give enough context, then why didnt you ask him for more details?

You were one of them, you still haven't changed much since your first thread here.

more patronizing and snarky remarks. Really proving me wrong here.

 

[laclark89]

Now your excuse for not giving helpful/accurate information is blaming the guy for not giving enough context?

He told us what he is taking and what his symptoms are, what more does he need to tell us?

If he truly didnt give enough context, then why didnt you ask him for more details?


more patronizing and snarky remarks. Really proving me wrong here.

I’m sure we can all patronize a bit.
snarky we can absolutely be that at times , while at the same time having peoples best interest at heart. I think we all like busting balls a bit that’s kinda what dudes do coming from where I’m from it’s just tough love.

Don’t feel bad I am one of the ones spaceman was talking about too lol. But I’ve learned a hell of a lot here from well known members but also regular even new members, I’m sure u have also.

but seriously. Masteron is like salt. can go with anything.

Doesn't make the meal, but can definitely make

its probably like a 1 to 0.4-0.5 in regards to "anabolism"

Do u know what decca or npp would be compared to test? Probably closer to a 1 to 1 if I remember right?

It's cuz mast is overrated af. To me it's useless drug, that's right I can't call it a steroid as it's too weak for that. I get no magical benefits and of course I need an AI as it doesn't help much. I guess some like it and find it usable, but I will not discount the placebo effect those preachers get from it.

I gota kinda agree here with u and spaceman that it’s just like salt.

But after learning myself after a few cycles of experimenting, I get way more out of say 500 test 300 decca than I would 500 300 mast

But the decca will give me emotional sides that the mast won’t, and the mast I may be a bit tighter.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Do u know what decca or npp would be compared to test? Probably closer to a 1 to 1 if I remember right?

IDK. I was throwing numbers out of my ass.

I would say Test to NPP might be 1:1.2 in favor of Deca/NPP.

But the decca will give me emotional sides that the mast won’t, and the mast I may be a bit tighter.

I agree. I ran 750 Test D/U combo. and 800 mast. 4iu of HGH. Smooth cycle and run.

*I just realized I have been cruising for almost 4 months

 

[laclark89]

IDK. I was throwing numbers out of my ass.

I would say Test to NPP might be 1:1.2 in favor of Deca/NPP.

I agree. I ran 750 Test D/U combo. and 800 mast. 4iu of HGH. Smooth cycle and run.

*I just realized I have been cruising for almost 4 months

4 months ? It’s time to blast off back to outer space lol.

Yea I try a keep my test around 500-750 max on cycle but I handle mast well no sides might as well try upping the dose on it a bit next time.