EU domestic source talk

[Zebedee]

I keep trying to get into your stubborn skull that this isn't a source but a harm reduction board.

Whether you're an admin, source, senior/junior member, evil chinese drug dealing demon or catgirl, your action/posts can either support or obstruct harm reduction in various ways, and everyone should be judged by those instead of their role. If a source wants to manipulate information, you think they'll do that with their source account? Amongst all the ways to do it, that's obviously the dumbest.

Your dichotomy of "sources are necessarily evil drug dealers that can never be trusted" vs "members, no matter how much misinformation they spread, are one of us" has lead to a toxic board where sources, who on average have way more and valuable knowledge on the industry by nature of being part of it, are best advised to hide away in their threads and just cash in on Meso rather than communicate with the vocal, critical minority who realistically make up 5% of the buying customerbase anyways. Reaching out (of my thread) certainly isn't helping business, despite what you may believe.

You don't need to be a genius to identify shit sources, but since you're calling/throwing out the good with the bad, some of the best (via consistenly good labtests, fixing any mistakes, actually caring about harm reduction etc.) sources around presently have abandoned Meso or don't want to go near it.

Why don't you engage in a productive discussion how harm reduction can be improved and the standards for testing sources are held to can be raised? I'm working on that and am willing to throw a lot of money at it (which isn't going to profit me in some roundabout way btw), but I don't see you ever actively contributing to improving the standards here, just bitching about how they're falling.

@Zebedee What have you or will you contribute to harm reduction? What Meso standards are declining exactly, and what am I getting away with? You can make these empty, meaningless statements all day, so I'll make this my last stand: If you two can prove the community right that your ways are superior for harm reduction than more communication & testing (under watchful eyes), I'll quit my source thread and any sourcing here.

I'm not going to engage in a debate with you.

The "stay in your lane" principle exists for a reason & you knew the rules before you signed up here.

FYI, I do not subscribe to the "evil drug dealers" school of thought. If anything it bores me to tears.

Once again, my issue with you is that you won't stay in your thread.

 

[Liska]

I'm not going to engage in a debate with you.

The "stay in your lane" principle exists for a reason & you knew the rules before you signed up here.

FYI, I do not subscribe to the "evil drug dealers" school of thought. If anything it bores me to tears.

Once again, my issue with you is that you won't stay in your thread.

Figured you'd run away, at least MSG has balls and will be up for fighting feline demons.

 

[Weedup]

The "hate" is because he isn't staying in his thread. I don't actually give a fuck if you do or don't buy from him.

Why he have to stay in his thread? I would understand that if he was spamming and using stupid marketing but that's not the reality and he even posts some good information. And there are rules to prevent those stupid marketing spammers.

 

[Zebedee]

Figured you'd run away, at least MSG has balls and will be up for fighting feline demons.

Oh fuck off you slimey cunt

 

[Zebedee]

Why he have to stay in his thread? I would understand that if he was spamming and using stupid marketing but that's not the reality and he even posts some good information. And there are rules to prevent those stupid marketing spammers.

As I pointed out before, most of his "helpful" pointers to other sources are to sources he has business links to - this is based on things he has said about these suppliers himself.

 

[Liska]

As I pointed out before, most of his "helpful" pointers to other sources are to sources he has business links to - this is based on things he has said about these suppliers himself.

Whenever someone asks "where can I buy x" or "who has tested y" I actually do my best to list all sources that fit the bill except for those that provide shitty customer service or overpriced products, no matter if I've ever talked to them or not. I'm sure not everyone has a library of labtests from both US & EU sources and tries to keep up with what is available where in which carrier oil etc., but it's genuinely interesting to me so I contribute what I do know.

I'm not sure of your definition of 'business link' but I don't get anything for saying 'x and y source carry z product and have labtests' - these are the exact same answers members would give and have given. It's flat earthers/conspiracy theories like you making up narratives that have cause way more problems & harm on Meso than they have prevented.

Once again, if I wanted to maximally profit off of Meso, I would just stay in my thread and leave everyone alone with their problems and questions instead of trying to help.

 

[Weedup]

There isn't a lot of sources in Europe I believe that he may have some business at least with one or two of Eu sources , but I remember he talking about ashop or something and I don't think he have business with them, of course I have no idea what's playing behind... but even if he have business with said sources i don't see any major problem with that, if the sources he us pointing for have "proven" to be good in this harm reduction forum.

 

[Silentlemon1011]

As I pointed out before, most of his "helpful" pointers to other sources are to sources he has business links to - this is based on things he has said about these suppliers himself.

There are definitely times where I've even called out Liska to stay in their fucking lane when their not being productive or useful in the commentary.

But there are times in which he/she/whatever drops some knowledge or contributes.

Liska is one of those rare cases where I think it's a wise decision to compartmentalize the individual comments and call them good or bad.

Some sources like Pharmasource actually drop solid knowledge in homebrew or drops lab tests for shitty suppliers, I've never had an issue with that.

All on saying is, maybe judge Liska on a case by case basis, Liska has done some shit like sending out raw samples from sources that they have no contact with and post publically for the benefit of Meso... good or bad.


However @Liska
Sitting here and arguing with members isnt a good look.
But at the end of the day, if harm reduction is being done, I can be okay with it... even if its through gritted teeth.

I know you EU guys sort your own shit out, I have no skin in the game here, just figured I would share my perspective

Cheers brother

 

[Liska]

However @Liska
Sitting here and arguing with members isnt a good look.
But at the end of the day, if harm reduction is being done, I can be okay with it... even if its through gritted teeth.

I know you EU guys sort your own shit out, I have no skin in the game here, just figured I would share my perspective

Cheers brother

I know, I'm just insanely frustrated. I don't want to be believed, just be judged for my actions, not my role, and I am willing to pay a heavy price to be given that chance.

I was willing to put myself into a vulnerable position where everything I promise to do to further harm reduction for this community can be quoted and held against me in the future and would pack things up if the community judges I overpromised, but after reading responses from what sound more like reps for other labs than members, I just want to give up. I won't post outside my thread ever again, you guys can quote me on that.

 

[Zebedee]

Whenever someone asks "where can I buy x" or "who has tested y" I actually do my best to list all sources that fit the bill except for those that provide shitty customer service or overpriced products, no matter if I've ever talked to them or not. I'm sure not everyone has a library of labtests from both US & EU sources and tries to keep up with what is available where in which carrier oil etc., but it's genuinely interesting to me so I contribute what I do know.

I'm not sure of your definition of 'business link' but I don't get anything for saying 'x and y source carry z product and have labtests' - these are the exact same answers members would give and have given. It's flat earthers/conspiracy theories like you making up narratives that have cause way more problems & harm on Meso than they have prevented.

Once again, if I wanted to maximally profit off of Meso, I would just stay in my thread and leave everyone alone with their problems and questions instead of trying to help.

Flat earth conspiracy theory?

You are buying from or selling to those sources I mentioned - this is information from your own posts.

That is what I deem a "business link".

Point being you're not impartial.

 

[Zebedee]

There are definitely times where I've even called out Liska to stay in their fucking lane when their not being productive or useful in the commentary.

But there are times in which he/she/whatever drops some knowledge or contributes.

Liska is one of those rare cases where I think it's a wise decision to compartmentalize the individual comments and call them good or bad.

Some sources like Pharmasource actually drop solid knowledge in homebrew or drops lab tests for shitty suppliers, I've never had an issue with that.

All on saying is, maybe judge Liska on a case by case basis, Liska has done some shit like sending out raw samples from sources that they have no contact with and post publically for the benefit of Meso... good or bad.


However @Liska
Sitting here and arguing with members isnt a good look.
But at the end of the day, if harm reduction is being done, I can be okay with it... even if its through gritted teeth.

I know you EU guys sort your own shit out, I have no skin in the game here, just figured I would share my perspective

Cheers brother

I have no problem with that. After I originally told Liska to stay in his thread, I came across a helpful post of his in the homebrew forum & actually "liked" it. I also considered that an actor me saying to him "no hard feelings".

As for him posting those raws results -

1: they are his suppliers & he was "recommending" them to people on SST months ago.

2: his posting lab tests gets him compensation from suppliers - by posting them, he's getting his raws lab tests for free.

Again I have no problem with him doing that. I will actually commend him on his testing - keep it up. It's him claiming it's all about "harm reduction" that's my issue - that & his constant invasion of other threads.

 

[Zebedee]

I know, I'm just insanely frustrated. I don't want to be believed, just be judged for my actions, not my role, and I am willing to pay a heavy price to be given that chance.

I was willing to put myself into a vulnerable position where everything I promise to do to further harm reduction for this community can be quoted and held against me in the future and would pack things up if the community judges I overpromised, but after reading responses from what sound more like reps for other labs than members, I just want to give up. I won't post outside my thread ever again, you guys can quote me on that.

I know, I'm just insanely frustrated. I don't want to be believed, just be judged for my actions, not my role, and I am willing to pay a heavy price to be given that chance.

I was willing to put myself into a vulnerable position where everything I promise to do to further harm reduction for this community can be quoted and held against me in the future and would pack things up if the community judges I overpromised, but after reading responses from what sound more like reps for other labs than members, I just want to give up. I won't post outside my thread ever again, you guys can quote me on that.

I assume that's aimed at me - feel free to link to any posts I've ever made endorsing any lab.

I've never even mentioned on Meso any brand of gear I use. Never. But I will now - I only use pharma test & my own homebrew orals - that's it.

I've also never made a single post about where I buy my gear - feel free to check my post history.

Nice try though mate.

 

[BK2THEFUTURE]

guys please stop fighting and bring some dnp because i am lazy to diet properly

 

[MisterSuperGod]

Figured you'd run away, at least MSG has balls and will be up for fighting feline demons.

Don't speaketh thyne name, and change your shitty avatar.

 

[MisterSuperGod]

I keep trying to get into your stubborn skull that this isn't a source but a harm reduction board.

Whether you're an admin, source, senior/junior member, evil chinese drug dealing demon or catgirl, your action/posts can either support or obstruct harm reduction in various ways, and everyone should be judged by those instead of their role. If a source wants to manipulate information, you think they'll do that with their source account? Amongst all the ways to do it, that's obviously the dumbest.

Your dichotomy of "sources are necessarily evil drug dealers that can never be trusted" vs "members, no matter how much misinformation they spread, are one of us" has lead to a toxic board where sources, who on average have way more and valuable knowledge on the industry by nature of being part of it, are best advised to hide away in their threads and just cash in on Meso rather than communicate with the vocal, critical minority who realistically make up 5% of the buying customerbase anyways. Reaching out (of my thread) certainly isn't helping business, despite what you may believe.

You don't need to be a genius to identify shit sources, but since you're calling/throwing out the good with the bad, some of the best (via consistenly good labtests, fixing any mistakes, actually caring about harm reduction etc.) sources around presently have abandoned Meso or don't want to go near it.

Why don't you engage in a productive discussion how harm reduction can be improved and the standards for testing sources are held to can be raised? I'm working on that and am willing to throw a lot of money at it (which isn't going to profit me in some roundabout way btw), but I don't see you ever actively contributing to improving the standards here, just bitching about how they're falling.

@Zebedee What have you or will you contribute to harm reduction? What Meso standards are declining exactly, and what am I getting away with? You can make these empty, meaningless statements all day, so I'll make this my last stand: If you two can prove the community right that your ways are superior for harm reduction than more communication & testing (under watchful eyes), I'll quit my source thread and any sourcing here.

Fuck you in your feline ass. You're not here for harm reduction. You're here for fucking money.

So are the rest of these sources, the difference between them and you is they comply with the unwritten rules.

This is harm reduction? You acting like a thin skinned bitch, arguing with members that see you for what you really are?

I'm sure you'll be missed. Shame
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You're a phoney. You run around all these threads under the guise of harm reduction because you're a greedy fuck that wants to be seen.

Don't you think other sources want to be seen? Maybe we should give them exposure in your thread since they know better than to try and bullshit us with "just steppin' out for harm reduction, guys".

Hey guys: Harm reduction.

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Post some more cat pictures, you fucking weirdo. Harm reduction, right?

 

[klokke23]

You're not here for harm reduction. You're here for fucking money.

That's preposterous!

 

[Monkipalo]

Maybe we should give them exposure in your thread since they know better than to try and bullshit us with "just steppin' out for harm reduction, guys".

Yes please

 

[BK2THEFUTURE]

Which EU sources are carrying DMAA aka Methylhexanamine these days.

 

[Monkipalo]

I bough a preworkout with DMAA from

fatburners.at

last year and worked great. Alibaba used to sell the powder for cheap, idk about now with the recent changes. Domestically I don't know any source carrying DMAA in powder.

https://science.bio/

ships from the states, i was planning to order phenibut from them, they also carry DMAA

 

[BK2THEFUTURE]

Man I think that fatburners.AT is a scam