Fertilizer Club, LLC

[Dr JIM]

Buuut heres the kicker, at that time i had no idea you were faking tests. I mean why the fuck would you do that?

YOU are wiser than that, follow the MONEY, or perhaps a limited ability to deliver that which consumers were promised, reliable test results OR both!

Jim

 

[janoshik]

To be quit honest no you didnt but lets get back to that. I was exploring options for some bros that ive been in contact with who was wanting some shit tested. Was i shopping aroind to find the best deals? You damn right i was. Anybody would. Was i happy at tye fact that their were more than one option for testing via HPLC/MassSpec? Shit at that point my fuckin ass was jumpin with joy. Was Jano the cheapest route to go? Nope an thats why i never sent anyone your way.....Buuut heres the kicker, at that time i had no idea you were faking tests. I mean why the fuck would you do that? It makes no sense to me. You could have been a very valuble assest if ypu hadn't faked an then lied about faking tests. Not only did you fake tye test, you didn't even fuckin test it at all an jus stright the fuck up lied about it smfdh. Thats just beyond me. Id think you would have better morals than that but the bottem line is with what youve went an done, you showed everyone how trustworthy you are. Its a fuckin bummer to man but it is what it is an theirs no denying or taking it back now. The damage has already been done. To answer your initial question, if i would have known then what i know now i would have never contacted you in the first place plain an simple. You wanted my honest truth well their it is......

So much talk and no answer to the point, sigh.

I literally told you

"If the price is your main concern, @Analyzer generally keeps his prices lower than I do. "

"I am not one to throw dirt at my competitors and I don't have a problem recommending them, when I feel they might suit your needs better."

So much for me trying to make a buck here at all costs.

YOU are wiser than that, follow the MONEY!

Yes, @mands is really upset about the shipping fee.

Shit, I should really figure out how to send him his beggars change back.

Even though he acts like he doesn't want it, he wouldn't be so upset if it really was so... he's just taking the high road for the greater good!

 

[mands]

So much talk and no answer to the point, sigh.

I literally told you

"If the price is your main concern, @Analyzer generally keeps his prices lower than I do. "

"I am not one to throw dirt at my competitors and I don't have a problem recommending them, when I feel they might suit your needs better."

So much for me trying to make a buck here at all costs.


Yes, @mands is really upset about the shipping fee.

Shit, I should really figure out how to send him his beggars change back.

Even though he acts like he doesn't want it, he wouldn't be so upset if it really was so... he's just taking the high road for the greater good!

Seriously there is no need to tag @Analyzer in this thread. He doesn't need your worthless recommendation. He does fine by himself and has been invited to private boards because he's not a fake liar.

I don't need your dirty ass money that you probably stole from your girlfriend that left you for a real man that was 170 pounds soaking wet twink.

mands

 

[RThoads]

@Skull @mands @Wunderpus
help me understand through all the extra bullshit,
the bottom line is that Jano sent results on testing something that was never opened and ultimately ended up back at the original location untouched -- thus, there is ZERO possibility the result could be real???

Then, rather than admit it and give a valid explanation for the fraud, he is now attacking very credible and highly respected members of the community?

 

[Wunderpus]

@Skull @mands @Wunderpus
help me understand through all the extra bullshit,
the bottom line is that Jano sent results on testing something that was never opened and ultimately ended up back at the original location untouched -- thus, there is ZERO possibility the result could be real???

Then, rather than admit it and give a valid explanation for the fraud, he is now attacking very credible and highly respected members of the community?

Mands was the one who was directly involved with Jano, so he can probably give you more detail. But, my understanding is yes, your broad stroke overview is what I understand happened as well.

I believe there was some alleged LE involvement with Jano's end, something about customs allegedly threatening him with a controlled delivery. So, Jano sent Mands test results for a different vial of GH, and said he tested the GH Mands sent him. Then, Mands magically received the vials, untested, some time later.... Hopefully all parties can chime in to fill out/correct details in which I am wrong.

 

[RThoads]

Mands was the one who was directly involved with Jano, so he can probably give you more detail. But, my understanding is yes, your broad stroke overview is what I understand happened as well.

I believe there was some alleged LE involvement with Jano's end, something about customs allegedly threatening him with a controlled delivery. So, Jano sent Mands test results for a different vial of GH, and said he tested the GH Mands sent him. Then, Mands magically received the vials, untested, some time later.... Hopefully all parties can chime in to fill out/correct details in which I am wrong.

Thanks, yes, I have run across this topic before.

We all know Mands is a very trustworthy and helpful guy -- one of the best possible members of the online community.
ZERO chance he wants or has time for bullshit drama.
Therefore, the only way he is even putting time into this is because something shady occurred and he wants to help the community to prevent others from getting scammed.

 

[Wunderpus]

@Skull @mands @Wunderpus
help me understand through all the extra bullshit,
the bottom line is that Jano sent results on testing something that was never opened and ultimately ended up back at the original location untouched -- thus, there is ZERO possibility the result could be real???

Then, rather than admit it and give a valid explanation for the fraud, he is now attacking very credible and highly respected members of the community?

As a follow-up, it makes me uncomfortable to some degree to comment on the matter, but I always felt it was in the best interest of the community as a whole to see any present danger. So, I always felt obligated to warn others of any potential fraudulent activities. In reality, this is Mands and Jim's battle, I probably got myself involved on accident, but I'm sticking to my guns in saying I do not support Jano's behavior in this incident.

 

[Skull]

@Skull @mands @Wunderpus
help me understand through all the extra bullshit,
the bottom line is that Jano sent results on testing something that was never opened and ultimately ended up back at the original location untouched -- thus, there is ZERO possibility the result could be real???

Then, rather than admit it and give a valid explanation for the fraud, he is now attacking very credible and highly respected members of the community?

Yep thats exactly what this is an what he did smfdh. Sickens an sadens me knowing he could have been so valuble to everyone an everything surrounding us in this lifestyle. Im madder than hell smfdh. The real bad part is im actually sadder than mad. Feel like ive been let down by something that could have been yet another option for testing

 

[Skull]

Thanks, yes, I have run across this topic before.

We all know Mands is a very trustworthy and helpful guy -- one of the best possible members of the online community.
ZERO chance he wants or has time for bullshit drama.
Therefore, the only way he is even putting time into this is because something shady occurred and he wants to help the community to prevent others from getting scammed.

Here's a link to @mandscalling him out:

Jano "The ultimate Con-man and Liar?" thread...You be the judge

Mands calling out the fraud again:

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/hgh-and-igf-1-levels.134388846/page-6#post-2070585

Jane is a garbage person. He's only here to scam members with fake testing.

Of course he'll deny that he's here to sell his "testing" services, but he makes it known that he does analytical testing and his link is conveniently located in his profile.

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[mands]

Yep thats exactly what this is an what he did smfdh. Sickens an sadens me knowing he could have been so valuble to everyone an everything surrounding us in this lifestyle. Im madder than hell smfdh. The real bad part is im actually sadder than mad. Feel like ive been let down by something that could have been yet another option for testing

Believe me I felt the same way. I was rooting for the guy and have several PM's with respected members here on meso and professional muscle about him.

You just never know who you are dealing with. And the fact he won't publicly apologize for lying(he will in PM and usually talks in riddles when he does) and tag the members he has so foolishly under his spell makes him even worse of a man.

mand

 

[janoshik]

Seriously there is no need to tag @Analyzer in this thread. He doesn't need your worthless recommendation. He does fine by himself and has been invited to private boards because he's not a fake liar.

I don't need your dirty ass money that you probably stole from your girlfriend that left you for a real man that was 170 pounds soaking wet twink.

mands

The tag was in the quote, you dottard.

Tough words man. Want to attack me on personal relationship level?
It's more than easy to reiterate.

How are you dealing with seeing your daughter on the weekends?
How's your family situation treating her?

You sure as hell don't have the custody, otherwise you would not spend ages shitposting on an internet forum. And if you do, wow, just wow, congratulations on being an example for her.

You should really take the money, I mean, at least you could buy her something or do something for her at all.

I believe there was some alleged LE involvement with Jano's end, something about customs allegedly threatening him with a controlled delivery.

You got it right, but it was not controlled delivery, but threatened charge straight away.

As a follow-up, it makes me uncomfortable to some degree to comment on the matter, but I always felt it was in the best interest of the community as a whole to see any present danger. So, I always felt obligated to warn others of any potential fraudulent activities. In reality, this is Mands and Jim's battle, I probably got myself involved on accident, but I'm sticking to my guns in saying I do not support Jano's behavior in this incident.

Thank you for a level headed discussion and honesty.

Believe me I felt the same way. I was rooting for the guy and have several PM's with respected members here on meso and professional muscle about him.

You just never know who you are dealing with. And the fact he won't publicly apologize for lying(he will in PM and usually talks in riddles when he does) and tag the members he has so foolishly under his spell makes him even worse of a man.

mand

You were rooting for me? That's news.

 

[Skull]

Believe me I felt the same way. I was rooting for the guy and have several PM's with respected members here on meso and professional muscle about him.

You just never know who you are dealing with. And the fact he won't publicly apologize for lying(he will in PM and usually talks in riddles when he does) and tag the members he has so foolishly under his spell makes him even worse of a man.

mand

Im sorry he did what he did to you big guy. Im glad you caught it an called him out. Who knows how many other tests were ("NOT RAN") while having a number jus thrown at em so it looks as though he did test. What a fuckin crook smdh. I bet hes made tons of money over god knows how many years hes been doing this to his so called "clients". A person could save alot of time not testing products while collecting the money for doing so

 

[ickyrica]

How's you dealing with seeing your daughter on the weekends?
How's your family situation treating her?

You sure as hell don't have the custody, otherwise you would not spend ages shitposting on an internet forum. And if you do, wow, just wow, congratulations on being an example for her.

wtf is wrong with you? No matter how smart you think you are, you're simply not intelligent enough to know when to stop.

 

[janoshik]

Im sorry he did what he did to you big guy. Im glad you caught it an called him out. Who knows how many other tests were ("NOT RAN") while having a number jus thrown at em so it looks as though he did test. What a fuckin crook smdh. I bet hes made tons of money over god knows how many years hes been doing this to his so called "clients". A person could save alot of time not testing products while collecting the money for doing so

That's why there's so many people other than mands complaining.... Oh wait.

And you wouldn't believe how long does it take to paint a fake graph, had to buy a better pencil just for that! It was not free money at all!

 

[janoshik]

wtf is wrong with you? No matter how smart you think you are, you're simply not intelligent enough to know when to stop.

So brutus suggesting a brutal murder of my family was to be liked by you.

So mands talking more shit about my and my then girlfriend is nothing you'd worry about.

But there is something wrong with me? Forgive me, but I will ignore your opinion on this. Go set double standards somewhere else.

Hey, maybe mands will rethink his life for the better upon that, stop spending his time shitposting and instead fix his broken up family. I'll count that among my good deeds.

 

[Dr JIM]

As a follow-up, it makes me uncomfortable to some degree to comment on the matter, but I always felt it was in the best interest of the community as a whole to see any present danger. So, I always felt obligated to warn others of any potential fraudulent activities. In reality, this is Mands and Jim's battle, I probably got myself involved on accident, but I'm sticking to my guns in saying I do not support Jano's behavior in this incident.

It's best those who want or need more information on the matter read the thread posted by Mands entitled "Jano the ultimate con man and liar" so they can decide.

My issues with Jano has been his "tradition" to list a bare bones assay as "proof" a specific test was conducted. And whenever Jano was asked for confirmational information such as the HPLC solvents (type, concentration and mixtures, PH, grid manufacturer and type, standards used for comparison, etc Jano would deflect as in "thats privileged information", demean thru the use of ad hominem commentary and detour the discussion onto esoteric nonsense, often becoming despondent and belligerent in the process.

And IMO what MANDS experienced confirmed my suspicion Jano was indeed "dry labing" test results.

JIM

 

[Dr JIM]

Yep thats exactly what this is an what he did smfdh. Sickens an sadens me knowing he could have been so valuble to everyone an everything surrounding us in this lifestyle. Im madder than hell smfdh. The real bad part is im actually sadder than mad. Feel like ive been let down by something that could have been yet another option for testing

Its interesting you mentioned this and while I would like to agree, Janos price structure alone implied an unfortunate fact - he's "ONLY in it for the money" and that's never good for consumers IME

Compare this to Analyzers very reasonable fee structure and to what Mands and I charged Meso members. (Admittedly Mands and I were outliers bc our out of pocket costs were minimal and those "savings" were passed along to others)

JIM

 

[janoshik]

My issues with Jano has been his "tradition" to list a bare bones assay as "proof" a specific test was conducted. And whenever Jano was asked for confirmational information such as the HPLC solvents (type, concentration and mixtures, PH, grid manufacturer and type, standards used for comparison, etc Jano would deflect as in "thats privileged information", demean thru the use of ad hominem commentary and detour the discussion onto esoteric nonsense, often becoming despondent and belligerent in the process.

And IMO what MANDS experienced confirmed my suspicion Jano was indeed "dry labing" test results.

JIM

No I never refused any details on the testing you shitty little liar. I provided those to anybody asking.

It was you, always, who lacked basic understanding and reverted to ad hominems and lies. Hell, you didn't even know what abbreviations are used for solvents, and yet tried to act like you know your stuff.

You know jack shit, nurse JIM, and have been called on it by every single chemist on boards.

Its interesting you mentioned this and while I would like to agree, Janos price structure alone implied an unfortunate fact - he's "ONLY in it for the money" and that's never good for consumers IME

Compare this to Analyzers very reasonable fee structure and to what Mands and I charged Meso members.

SAD !

Haha, why don't you compare it to Simec or chemtox? Doesn't suit your narrative much, does it?

Or are you comparing my costs to costs of a person who is using his work lab instead of having one to run a proper business? Or the standards we use? Sure, my terrible 10% mark up above that grants me a special place in hell, lol!

And hell, you and mands should PAY the people for insulting them with the AAA shit you produced

 

[mands]

So much talk and no answer to the point, sigh.

I literally told you

"If the price is your main concern, @Analyzer generally keeps his prices lower than I do. "

Are you mental? You tagged him in your post dottard... Are you that freaking stupid.

The tag was in the quote, you dottard.

Tough words man. Want to attack me on personal relationship level?
It's more than easy to reiterate.

How are you dealing with seeing your daughter on the weekends?
How's your family situation treating her?

You sure as hell don't have the custody, otherwise you would not spend ages shitposting on an internet forum. And if you do, wow, just wow, congratulations on being an example for her.

You should really take the money, I mean, at least you could buy her something or do something for her at all.


You were rooting for me? That's news.

Is your insinuations about my daughter and family supposed to rattle me by any means. Besides it really showing your true colors it's very disturbing.

If you really want to know about my family you can ask @Eman @Wunderpus @Millard @brutus79 or @Dr JIM. As I speak to them about my private life and a few have met in person.

They will all attest that I have all my kids every single day of the year with the mother of my children residing with us.

So sad man. I'm genuinely sorry for you.

I spend my time on the forums at my place of business which I'm partial owner. Like I said to you earlier. With all the testing you are doing you sure spend a lot of time blowing smoke here and other forums.

mands

 

[ickyrica]

So brutus suggesting a brutal murder of my family was to be liked by you.

So mands talking more shit about my and my then girlfriend is nothing you'd worry about.

But there is something wrong with me? Forgive me, but I will ignore your opinion on this. Go set double standards somewhere else.

Hey, maybe mands will rethink his life for the better upon that, stop spending his time shitposting and instead fix his broken up family. I'll count that among my good deeds.

what Brutus said had nothing to do with what i commented on, but lets play your game. Yes, if you look at his comment I did like it. First guy to like it actually. Did his graphic novel snippet scare you? Can you separate fantasy language from reality or is that giant brain of yours rendering you incapable of differentiating these things us simpletons can handle ?

And mands had a one off statement about your girl leaving you because you're tiny or something. Maybe one sentence out of how many posts?

You take each of those situations into account and you really think bringing kids into the conversation (specific children mind you, not some random wood chipper or girlfriend statement) is anywhere in the same ballpark?

Dude, don't reply because it's falling on deaf ears. It's obvious your not able to separate enough of your emotions out of this to be able to participate as a good standing member. If you had members safety in mind youd close the browser on your computer down and go relax for a day or two before you return. Or not return...



Just so there is transparency here I PM jano a while back. I apologized for being as rude to him as I was (prior shit show) and told him that I regretted it. I also inquired about his testing services, as i did with analyzer in the same day. I did not retain his services at any point. Since that day I have been civil to Jano, no issues. Today rolls around and I stumble into this thread, again, what a shit show.

I along with many people have been sitting back reading this thread today wondering where it will end up. All I know is I'm still good with my opinions of Mands and Jim. My opinion of Jano is vastly different now.

Meso, are you comfortable giving your money to someone that will literally talk shit about your personal life (well, their perception of your personal life anyway) out in the open? Multiple paragraphs of dialogue about someone's child for Christ sake. Again, are you comfortable with that? Your choice gentlemen.