Pct Restart
For the last 6 months, I've been preoccupied with projects where i was working 7 days a week, so didn't have a chance to keep you guys on my regiment, my experiences, and the success/failure of pct. I want
to apologize for being absent during that period. NO annonn1, i'm not some marketing rep for meso-rx.com, but it was your post (
PROPECIAHELP: Unresolved Finasteride Propecia Proscar side effects info & forum) that gave me a chuckle and made me want to come back to post my experience.
Experiences after PCT (hcg & nolvadex):
- hair and nails thinned severely that includes pubic, leg, scalp hair
- finger and toe nails had thinned out and became more brittle and fragile
- for 5 months my head was itchy and my skin was saturated with oil.
The oil wasn't smooth like vegetable oil, but it had a grainy and gritty texture like lard.
- I still maintain night time and morning erections.
Recovering from PCT:
In November 09, i noticed ripples on my nails, it is almost like tree rings in the nails that shows growth. The top half of the nail is thin and the lower half (closer to the cuticle) is twice as thick which is an indication of estrogen returning. My face isn't as oily as it was before and the oil is smooth like vegetable oil. As for hair, I cannot tell if it will return to it's original thickness prior to pct and I pray it does.
What did I learn from PCT:
i learned that pct does increase your testosterone and how you feel with the increase hormones that courses through your veins. I remember when i was on hcg, that I felt confident, gitty, and aggressive but this is unnatural to feel this way for an extended period of time. Everyone remember what they felt like prior to finasteride and you cannot tell me that you felt happy every single day. Of course not, there would be good
days, bad days, and ok days. (Remember this feeling because i'll make references later) However, my libido hasn't come back even with PCT and I can't say it is a failure because it has given me perspective.
With pct, i gotten night time and morning erections consistently and 1-3 spontaneous erections per month. I find that the erections occur after I eat lunch (2-3pm) and feel kinda sleep. There could be some sort of GABA interaction there because it is only noticeable if i feel sleepy.
(Tangent)
I feel that getting a good night of sleep can only help your body recover faster, so i decide to start juicing. I bought two machines to juice vegetables, the Breville 800JEXL Juice Fountain Elite
([ame=http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002VAFVG]Amazon.com: Breville 800JEXL Juice Fountain Elite 1000-Watt Juice Extractor: Kitchen & Dining[/ame]) and Omega J8006 ([ame=http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001L7OIVI]Amazon.com: Omega J8006 Nutrition Center Commercial Masticating Juicer, Black and Chrome: Kitchen & Dining[/ame]).
Breville Juicier
Pros:
- assembly is easy
- juiced vegetables very quickly
- didn't have to chop the vegetables prior to processing because the juicing orifice was large and you can put a large apple with chopping it up.
Cons
- there were alot of wasted juice because the juicer could not ring out the remaining juice out the fiber
- clean up was a pain because the components were big and a lot of time was spent trying to clean the mesh.
Omega J8006
Pros:
- assembly is easy and tear down was just as quick
- effectively removes all juice from the fiber
- clean up is fast
- components are small and everything will fit into the sink
Cons:
- juicing orifices is small as shit and I have to cut down apples wide enough in order to process the food.
I can tell that juicing has improved my sleep, i'm able to have deep sleep with the following recipe: 1 large beet root, 1 brocolli crown, 2-4 apples, and five large carrots. If I have that recipe during the morning, the bags under my eyes disappear and skin looks great. Juicing can get expensive so find a local food store that sells decent vegetables at an affordable price. Around me, there is Aldi and Price Rite. For example, I'm able to get 5 broccoli crowns (3 dollars), 5lbs of carrots (3 dollars) , 5lbs of apples (3 dollars), and 10 lbs of beet root (4 dollars) at Price Rite which will last me for 1 week. Juicing could have lead to the thickening of my nails but i can't say for sure. I've been juicing for the last 3 months religiously and it is hard for me to differentiate whether estrogen is coming back and improving skin/nail quality or a combination of both estrogen/juicing
Back to PCT restart:
With my projects completed, I can start focusing on PCT restart except this time, I will try something that has worked for me in the past. I know that Sustain Alpha has definitely worked for me where it gave me rock hard erections, libido was 75% and every erection came with precum action. All my erections under Sustain Alpha was oozing seminal fluid from the get go and emotionally i felt aroused. Over the past few days I been trying to formulate a program for myself and figure out what i want to incorporate into this regiment. Last month, i tried out Dermacrine, sustain alpha, zmk and here are my initial experiences.
dermacrine
- The first day I applied dermacrine by Primordial Performance, i felt so confident in myself
- mental clarity was uncanny and i was making girls laugh because of my quick wit.
- testosterone must act like a regulator for thought because the difference with testosterone is night and day.
- the next day, had less of an effect and felt ok unlike the first day i tried it
- 3 days after the first dose of dermacrine, i felt depressed, sleep deteriorated with each day of use.
- I started to feel depressed after 7 days on dermacrine and decided that this product cannot be used everyday.
Sustain Alpha
- About 2 months ago, I was using an old can of the product and applied it to my body not in accordance to the instructions. I felt that there was no change in emotion, erectile quality, and no improvement to libido. It could be that it was an old can, so i ordered up a new one and applied it to my body as directed by the instuctions.
- Every morning I wake up, I use a wash cloth in the shower to wash away all the dead skin, then I apply the new formulation of Sustain Alpha and I feel more energy and happier on the product. The other
day I was at the hygenist and felt passionately engaged with her. I got tingles in my hands when she touched my hands as she was passing me the sample dental floss. I caught myself looking at her hand to
see if shewas married and I don't think she was. Even though, she was in her 40's but there was milf potential. haha So I think sustain alpha has merit in this new pct protocol as long as i wash my body before it is applied.
I decided to revisit an old thread of Big Sofite's (
PROPECIAHELP: Unresolved Finasteride Propecia Proscar side effects info & forum) to see if I missed read something that he did differently than I did when I originally took Sustain Alpha one year ago. Indeed, i did miss something and homeboy took Paravol and sustain alpha but I didn't really pay attention to the Paravol part. here is his post:
Some advice I can give is to just eat well, have a stable schedule, sleep and rest well, and stay away from drugs, caffeine, alcohol, cigarettes, etc. Also don't forget to eat well, if you can eat 6 smaller meals throughout the day it is better for you and your glycemic index (or something like that). So your blood sugar will stay stabler and you will just feel better overall. Also take some quality supplements and a good multi-vitamin. More specifically things such as Omega 3, Maca, Tribulus Terestris, Chrysin/DIM, Muira Puma, Longjack, Avena Sativa, Horny Goat Weed (quality Icariin extract), and of course resveratrol (stuff in dermacrine sustain)
The section in bold are ingredients in Paravol but I didn't realize this until I reread his entire recovery thread. This mo fucka, should have said out right that he was on Paravol vs site the ingredients list for the product.
As a side note, I took finasteride for 6 months vs Big Softie's 2 weeks, so my shit will be hard to come back from than his situation. I believe that he is on the right track because I did experience libido, rock hard erections, precum, and energy a year ago on ZMK, Sustain alpha, toco, and endo amp. The new formulation of Sustain alpha smells a lot better and doesn't have grit (ground up grape seed) compare to it's old formulation a year ago. The only reason I tried pct (hcg and nolvadex) because it has worked for so many in meso-rx.com that is why I decided to try it. However, we have issues with finasteride side effects not anabolic steroids, so our treatment is going to be different. When I stopped ZMK, Sustain alpha, toco, and endo amp a year ago, it left me with residual benefits such as mild erections, got rid of erectile numbness, but libido remains at %10. I think maybe if I treat myself with Paravol and Sustain Alpha in the proper sequence with the addition of exercise and sleep that my body will maintain the effects that I experienced 1 year ago.
Here is my new protocol:
for 3 weeks
take 1 paravol pill daily, once in the morning and evening for 3 weeks
take sustain alpha after a rigorous shower for 5 day on and 2 days off.
after 3 weeks
I will take 1 paravol pill daily, once in the morning and evening every other day.
I will take sustain alpha on the same days that I take paravol.
I mentioned above to remember how you felt prior to Finasteride and a person could not have felt extremely happy/confident/aggressive every single day because I don't think your body could natural produce
high amounts testosterone every single day. Everything is regulated by a clock and negative feedback, so I'm gonna try to operate under those parameters. I will coincide my exercise program when I dose
Paravol and Sustain Alpha. I need my body to increase the testosterone UPTAKE by the muscles so that the left over testosterone doesn't overwhelm my pituitary and cause a reduction in LH production.
(analogy: It is like the movie Brewster's Millions - A minor league baseball player has to waste $30m in 30 days in order to inherit $300m) In essence, the exercise program is used to deplete testosterone in the blood stream to reduce the negative feedback in the brain. In the future, I will to find an exercise to do every 100 to 120 mins because i want to try to restart my LH pulsation (
https://digital.lib.washington.edu/..._Luteinizing_Hormone_Releasing.pdf?sequence=2). I think when you subject your body to high amounts of prohormone as in the case of finasteride users, you end up shutting down the natural clock cycle of your body. This is why my sleep is all fucked up and testosterone production only happens at night and early morning (ie: night time/ morning erections), so a proper exercise program is require for this new pct protocol. Or Maybe, I can inject myself with hcg every 120 mins but dosage is critical to induce testicles to produce enough testosterone that won't shutdown lh production. Let me try restarting with exercise every 120 mins to see if that works. Big Softie believed in eating 6 meals a day and that may help to regulate internal cycles in the body but he didn't overtly state that. If I use food, exercise, and sleep to regulate and control the LH clock cycle, then I may be able to get back to my former shape.
How many of us have measured our LH pulsation??? Uh, I think none of us have done that. Usually we just measure LH, testosterone, estro, and other lab work at one moment in time and we don't know if our LH pulsation is normal. So I'm suggesting that some or most of us could have a LH pulse problem. Also, don't get me started with lab work because i don't think it is effective in diagnosing issues. It is not going to tell us what is happening at a cellular level and what genes are being expressed. There are some members in the forum that don't believe 5ar gene may have been affected during the Propecia use, I beg to differ. ie: I was watching a NOVA episode (A scientific show on public TV) and they were showing how drugs can certainly affect gene expression.
nova episode link:
summary:
NOVA Online | Teachers | Classroom Activity | NOVA scienceNOW: Marathon Mouse | PBS
show:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sciencenow/media/downloads/NSN_MarathonMouse.mp4
It's plausible to me that Propecia can directly or indirectly influence genetic expression just like we can influence the gene expression as shown in the Nova episode either by drug/exercise.
Today, I'm starting my PCT RESTART and took Paravol/Sustain Alpha this morning. talk to u soon. oneday
