I plan to to make my return to the gym Wednesday and hopefully feeling recharged and ready to roll!
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LOL thanks for that haha
Got my midcycle bloods and they are a mixed bag. My estro has gone thru the roof yet I had no issues with nips. I have adex ready if needed and not sure of dosing it.
I am also aware this was capped and I ordered the wrong test for testosterone level, but I can tell the gear I was using is working.
I am also aware this was capped and I ordered the wrong test for testosterone level, but I can tell the gear I was using is working.
.5mg EOD good start.
Thanks, as I got the tiny 1mg tabs its gonna be hard cutting them.
Could not believe how my e2 got that high and just running plain test and proviron. Gonna crush it down hard...
Bro...u need to get on that adex now. 225???
I took half a tab today. (.5mg)
That is pretty high but you'll be fine.. don't get too crazy. .5mg EOD will knock it down, you can try and adjust from there.
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I wouldn't do anything if you aren't getting any e2 symptoms or sides. If you're feeling good then continue on. I'm not a fan of taking AI when there are no symptoms present.
He's sick so maybe his side's are just a result of being sick but high estro can make you feel rough too... Better to knock it down and see how he feels.
Does proviron skew the e2 value?
Never had health issues prior to starting and thought my lung infection cleared up but apparently not as I now have bronchitis. I am going to run the adex to see if that helps things a bit here.
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Not to my knowledge.
Check out this thread on using / not using AI's without e2 symptoms but with elevated e2 like yours, particularly pay attention to Docd's and ChestRockwells posts in that thread.
Why do some people suggest am AI during a cycle?
tl;dr : taking an AI with no sides present is for the birds.
It's going around... I have a cold myself. When you first were complaining about not feeling well I wondered if your estro was causing something... But then you found out your sick and high E2 at the same time so it could be just that your sick with no symptoms or your sick with symptoms. I'd knock it down some personally to see.
Thanks will take a read.
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Pretty non-specific symptoms though. IME adding an AI or changing AI dose to address something that general will just complicate things further, possibly making a lifter feel shittier. AI's are a pain in the ass and I never advocate their use unless there are specific e2 symptoms, and if gyno is the only symptom I skip the AI and suggest a SERM instead.
This is interesting...back in 2000 or so when i first started, i cant remember AIs being around. If you got itchy nips, you took clomid. That was it. Fast forward years later and ive been going with the norm of always using an AI. It definitely sucks mentally to get everything dialed in to the "right" dose. So overall, in the long term, bad idea?
That's true, but that tends to be the case anyways for some.
Lol, my experience has been just the opposite. I never get gyno related symptoms but I do sometimes feel a little weird when I let estro climb up. Knock it down and I feel better. Non specific symptoms though in general, except water retention.
Aside from cutting them, I'm not sure what is a pain about them?
Aromasin is kind of nice IMO, it's on the weaker side and doesn't move estro as quickly as others IME. Can be a little easier to manage things without getting carried away.
All in all though, I do agree with you... If you don't have symptoms you shouldn't need an AI.
OK took a read and there's been suggestion to use an AI only if needed. So far my moods have been good (knock on wood!). In my case I'll just take 1 mg split into .5 over 3 days just to see what happens when I knock e2 down a peg.
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I wouldn't say it's a bad idea necessarily, but I think the better long term approach to this lifestyle is to NOT take drugs you don't need. In the case of a lifter with a high e2 but zero estrogen symptoms, I don't believe an AI is needed. The biggest problem is, like you said, getting everything dialed in, especially when often times people assume e2 to be the cause of everything wrong in a cycle. It's just another variable to complicate things, and if it's not needed than life is absolutely more fun without it.
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