For those of you who play the 200mg test game and then add tons of anabolics on top, which do you use? I can't tolerate masteron at any dose.

[Xplicit]

Well, I have to update this, as I know threads like this will get searched and read in the future. After making this post and re-evaluating the gains I had from my last blast. I am going to try cutting test down to 225, "Anchoring" with Mast and EQ at equal doses, low dose tren and focusing on the HGH + Insulin as the primary growth drivers.

Hoping the lower test approach will alleviate BP issues (reducing EQ to assist) that I got once I entered the 280s/290s.

Update.

Nope. Back to 750mg Test I go. Im having no issue *gaining* but its not the same. Muscles are full but not Test full, joints/tendons/ligaments are starting to ache. Strength is down. Does it work? Im sure it does, I did it in the past out of nessecity but having now experienced the difference a moderate dose of Testosterone makes, hard pass.

The look isnt even different for me, as I pack in the calories either way and pick up some bloat. The goal was reduced systolic and that does seem to be achieved but ill have to toggle something else as the rest of its not acceptable. Im also dead dog tired compared to when I have higher test in the mix.

 

[ve79]

Why people listens to everyone that wants to reinvent the wheel?

Steroids are those since like.... 30years, and people grow on high test+ an anabolic + maybe an oral, since forever.

Just use as much test as you can tolerate.

I agree. I always run higher test than I take half of that with what ever I stack

 

[Bizzark1]

Your anxiety is quite possibly exacerbated by low E2, not necessarily the Mast.

Try slightly higher Test first, then bring Mast in at a similar dosage & titrate up from there eg T300/M300 , then T300/M400 etc

 

[Para_33]

I really would like to see the gains of all that.

Why a man should stay on 90-100pg/ml?
Do you want to become a woman during her period?

The majority of that time of my 3 years of lifting and using gear was spent designing my cycles like this- although not always. I personally enjoy trying different things, paying attention to the results and taking measurements with blood work, body weight, etc. it’s like a hobby for me separate from bodybuilding itself.

So I won’t say everyone should do exactly what I do, but it has worked well for me, I personally feel and respond best in measurable ways with my e2 at this level. It’s not informed by some cult like belief in e2 power and the higher the better. It’s just where im my best.

And I’ve grown a shitload from it. Probably more than most people you’re likely to ever find even on the whole internet. You can see on my Instagram. I started off very skinny. But I’ve gained 112lb of weight total, in the 2 years 8 months I’ve been lifting while enhanced. And fully dieted down to striated glutes in moderate to decent stage ready conditioning 75lb of actual pure water depleted, fat stripped heavily dieted down contractile tissue.


I’m much bigger now, but it wouldn’t be fair to say my new weight because I’m bulking, so who’s to say how much of that is water /fat etc.

But dieted down I’ve averaged gains of 30lb per year of pure stage quality tissue. It’s just that 2 months ago was the last time I was dieted down enough to say with any accuracy how much true muscle I’ve gained


These pics are exactly 2 years 7 months apart and 85lb apart. I never lifted before this, so I don’t have any muscle memory effect either. The heaviest I ever weighed in my life was 140lb. But I wasn’t as skinny and lean as I was at 128 at age 29 when I started

 

[Para_33]

people already have a hard enough time explaining steroids, now I have to explain to my girlfriend why im injecting pure estrogen

lol. Just say it’s to make you more empathetic so you’re a better man for her. Spin up a real nice story of your choice hahaha

 

[Excel.exe]

lol. Just say it’s to make you more empathetic so you’re a better man for her. Spin up a real nice story of your choice hahaha

And then @Trenbolonetax calls me out for gaslighting him.

 

[rexy]

The majority of that time of my 3 years of lifting and using gear was spent designing my cycles like this- although not always. I personally enjoy trying different things, paying attention to the results and taking measurements with blood work, body weight, etc. it’s like a hobby for me separate from bodybuilding itself.

So I won’t say everyone should do exactly what I do, but it has worked well for me, I personally feel and respond best in measurable ways with my e2 at this level. It’s not informed by some cult like belief in e2 power and the higher the better. It’s just where im my best.

And I’ve grown a shitload from it. Probably more than most people you’re likely to ever find even on the whole internet. You can see on my Instagram. I started off very skinny. But I’ve gained 112lb of weight total, in the 2 years 8 months I’ve been lifting while enhanced. And fully dieted down to striated glutes in moderate to decent stage ready conditioning 75lb of actual pure water depleted, fat stripped heavily dieted down contractile tissue.


I’m much bigger now, but it wouldn’t be fair to say my new weight because I’m bulking, so who’s to say how much of that is water /fat etc.

But dieted down I’ve averaged gains of 30lb per year of pure stage quality tissue. It’s just that 2 months ago was the last time I was dieted down enough to say with any accuracy how much true muscle I’ve gained


These pics are exactly 2 years 7 months apart and 85lb apart. I never lifted before this, so I don’t have any muscle memory effect either. The heaviest I ever weighed in my life was 140lb. But I wasn’t as skinny and lean as I was at 128 at age 29 when I started
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Was not expecting that! Incredible work man, and your face doesn't look like you've aged 10 years from AAS use either, you look even better.

What would you say your most reliable stack combinations and go-to compounds have been over that transformation period?

I'm asking it in that way rather than 'what was your best cycle' because I'm more interested in what people do over time than in a single cycle. Individual cycles mean little in the scheme of things. Also, someone's best gains in terms kg from a single cycle could also have come from novelty when they knew less - i.e first cycle of 500 test etc. So I think it's better viewed over time.

 

[Trenbolonetax]

And then @Trenbolonetax calls me out for gaslighting him.

I'm gonna prescribe you some Oxytocin, man! Staring at excel workbooks is really taking it's toll.

A 2017 study found that oxytocin may help treat autism and other developmental and psychiatric conditions that impair social interaction.

<3

 

[Excel.exe]

Staring at excel workbooks is really taking it's toll.

Not the type of accountant you are confusing me with.

<3

Read how @iris responded to you on Nov 1, 2024 at 3:49 PM to your message.

 

[Trenbolonetax]

Not the type of accountant you are confusing me with.

Feel like your PFP has been a lie this entire time now.

Read how @iris responded to you on Nov 1, 2024 at 3:49 PM to your message.

Are you referring to this one? I guessed it would be this one so just searched for these keywords, lol. Didn't see the time stamp but it's the correct date. I believe this is more evidence for mandated Oxytocin use, STAT!

Fuck off

 

[Excel.exe]

Feel like your PFP has been a lie this entire time now.

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Are you referring to this one?

 

[Trenbolonetax]

Disinformation - Wikipedia

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[bigpoppachump2]

The most enjoyable experiences I had with gear was running my 125mg a week test cyp trt dose with off and on blasts of 3 to 6 week cycles using test prop and NPP. Sometimes I’d just run the test prop but I always had decent results and never felt much sides if any. I wish this was the approach I’d used from day one but sadly only started doing this the last 2 years I played around with anything above my trt dose.

 

[hungryalways]

The most enjoyable experiences I had with gear was running my 125mg a week test cyp trt dose with off and on blasts of 3 to 6 week cycles using test prop and NPP. Sometimes I’d just run the test prop but I always had decent results and never felt much sides if any. I wish this was the approach I’d used from day one but sadly only started doing this the last 2 years I played around with anything above my trt dose.

No issues during the periods coming on/off cycle? This is generally when I feel the worse, although never done a cycle under 12 weeks.

 

[bigpoppachump2]

Never had any issues coming off doing it this way. Mind you I was running 125mg per week of trt at the same time.

 

[BC22]

The most enjoyable experiences I had with gear was running my 125mg a week test cyp trt dose with off and on blasts of 3 to 6 week cycles using test prop and NPP. Sometimes I’d just run the test prop but I always had decent results and never felt much sides if any. I wish this was the approach I’d used from day one but sadly only started doing this the last 2 years I played around with anything above my trt dose.

How much test prop and NPP did you add to your TRT dose?

 

[PlanetFatness]

I've tried to play this game of ToddleeMD twice now where I keep the test moderate and try to ramp up with masteron as he says (he calls it a neutral anabolic) but I cannot fooking take even a few mg of mast without being crippled by anxiety. I've tried it twice now and it destroys me even at low doses. No other drug does this for whatever reason. What is a good sub? EQ and especially primo both crash my E2... if I want to take 400 primo I need 600 test to stay in range... was thinking NPP but not sure how high is tolerable of a level on that or anadrol. Have used anavar and it's great. I can't even tell I'm on it from side effect perspective but it can't be run very long due to lipids. Perhaps it's best to just use more test like most guys do? Anyone run into this problem of what relatively neutral anabolic to stack on test that doesn't cause issues if it can't be masteron? As crazy as it sounds, I'm wondering I could tolerate 50-100mg of anadrol per day on top of 200mg of weekly test better than any other drug from a sides perspective. Anyone play test low and drop high for extended periods?

Don’t do NPP if mental sides are bothering you. Don’t do any 19 nors.

If you are worried about crashed E2, try Dianabol. You’ll probably feel a little euphoric, gain strength, and your estrogen won’t crash.

Don’t increase your test. It will aromatize.

 

[bigpoppachump2]

How much test prop and NPP did you add to your TRT dose?

100mg each on eod injection schedule

 

[bigpoppachump2]

I just recently turned 45 and have been pretty down lately and just not taking care of myself overall. I can’t see how my current diet and lifestyle are any more damaging to my health than the small blast and trt cruise cycles i was doing 3 years ago were.

I plan on running a few small test prop cycles sometime after new years when my diet and training are consistent again and maybe possibly a bit of NPP on top of the prop again come spring time. These cycles are great for a few pounds of muscle in a couple weeks that I was label to hold onto pretty easily. Best of all I never had that toxic feeling or shitty feeling I got towards the end of the longer cycles and there was no crashing feeling in between. The 3 weeks on with 3 weeks off schedule was a lot of fun and I’d like to get back there again.

 

[Para_33]

Was not expecting that! Incredible work man, and your face doesn't look like you've aged 10 years from AAS use either, you look even better.

What would you say your most reliable stack combinations and go-to compounds have been over that transformation period?

I'm asking it in that way rather than 'what was your best cycle' because I'm more interested in what people do over time than in a single cycle. Individual cycles mean little in the scheme of things. Also, someone's best gains in terms kg from a single cycle could also have come from novelty when they knew less - i.e first cycle of 500 test etc. So I think it's better viewed over time.

Thanks man I appreciate you saying that. I think my face looked so terrible before is because I was so extremely underweight. Technically anorexic, not anorexia nervous-, but I worked about 110 hours per week for prob 80% of a decade in my 20s and didn’t eat till I got home.
I was 140-145lb very lean in high school though since I was a pro level athlete racing dirt bikes. Also after I nearly died in a crash and got fucked with that I was hooked on opiates deep from 2012-2015. So just grinding working on opiates and adderall like a robot.

To answer your favorite drug question. It seems anything that fits in with my SHBG^ protocol all gave me equivalent results (with the exception of cutting and cosmetic look with certain drugs). To grow I got this idea from vigorous Steve that shbg might be important, and may be why steroids lose effectiveness the longer your on cycle since shbg goes down. And shbg has its own receptor that compliments the regular Androgen Receptor.

That’s all just theory.. but I got lucky by accident and found a way to raise or maintain shbg even on grams and the first time I restored my shbg from 9 to 15+ it felt like I got on cycle all over again. In my opinion the shbg protocol may be part of why I was able to grow faster than average. Test,dht,dhb, proviron, and some others have ability to crush shbg magnitudes higher than other drugs like primo, anavar, deca, tren, boldenone. So instead I’ve run Deca only + estradiol to maintain adequate e2, or EQ+Primo+e2, or Primo+Tren+E2 and end up with an shbg that’s higher than it other wise would be if using test to achieve that same level of estradiol. I use estradiol cypionate right now but have used enanthate and valerate in the past. IMO, the reason why dht derivatives are known for crushing shbg isn’t to do with the primo/mast itself, it’s because they block or lower e2. E2 is the primary shbg force. And Test+DHT are the primary shbg force. So test +primo skews the ratio of androgen to estrogens in the body and thus lowering shbg. However primo on its own for example only has an SHBG binding affinity of 3%. Testosterone is 70%, DHT is 100%, proviron is 70-400%. So I found Primo only for example to not crush my shbg level when my e2 was manually maintained with exogenous estradiol. In which case I can take as many mg of primo as I wish and it has no effect on my serum e2 level because all of my e2 is being supplied exogenously.

So long story short, a go to stack for me now has been Primo or boldenone with it without Tren Hex. Tren hex is my favorite Tren ester since for whatever reason Tren E just doesn’t work for me the same way, and tren ace isn’t as long lasting. Tren hex and Tren ace are equal in performance for me and I can’t tell a difference, but Tren hex lasts longer and can be 150mg/ml without any Benzyl benzoate which I also prefer in my oils to be solvent free.