Fructose bad? Even fruit?

It's not as efficient as other sugars at replensishing muscle glycogen like I told the other guy but it's great for replensishing liver glycogen which is a signal for catabolism.

Dose and context man. Of course you don't want only fructose but to go ou of your way to avoid it is not going to help anything. Some ppl get better Muscle glycogen replensishment/super compensation with some fructose included in case you're not aware.

There is lots of fructose in corn and other vegetables I'm not saying to totally avoid it and if you are on a intense diet yes fructose would be ideal to keep your liver healthy but for most people they'll have too much fat around there liver as it is and cutting back on your fructose will help lose weight
 
There is lots of fructose in corn and other vegetables I'm not saying to totally avoid it and if you are on a intense diet yes fructose would be ideal to keep your liver healthy but for most people they'll have too much fat around there liver as it is and cutting back on your fructose will help lose weight

And Imo vegetables will be enough especially on a bulk/recomp even slow cut
 
It's not as efficient as dextrose at replenishing MUSCLE glycogen but much more efficient at replensishing LIVER glycogen. When liver glycogen gets depleted, guess what it signals downstream??? Give up? It signals catabolism.

You haven't proven fructose isn't good for you. You've only given your ill advised and misinformed opinion.

No point in fruit? Hmmm, so there's no point in fiber, hydration; micronutrients, etc. yea ok lol.

This is the second time you've given out horrendous advice in as many days from what I've seen. Please let's not make this a habit.

I eat porridge after the wo in the gym.

Feeling great,fruit give me very bad feelings except VERY LOW glycemic fruit.

Currently
 
There is lots of fructose in corn and other vegetables I'm not saying to totally avoid it and if you are on a intense diet yes fructose would be ideal to keep your liver healthy but for most people they'll have too much fat around there liver as it is and cutting back on your fructose will help lose weight

Cutting back on any type of calories will help one lose weight. Cutting back dietary fat's like oils, nuts, avocados etc will help lose weight. Cutting back on starches like potatoes and pastas will help lose weight. It's not that these things are bad or should be avoided (just like fructose), it's that a caloric reduction facilitates weight loss.

Do you even know what you're saying? Most people have too much fat around their liver lol?
 
I didn't lol I did post a study lol

You posted a single epidemiological study that doesn't and can't prove cause and effect, you posted an article, and you posted a video. thats extremely little evidence you brought to the table.
 
Okay so I did some more research and all I could find was high fructose diets leading to liver "damage" if you will

Chronic fructose intake accelerates non-alcoholic fatty liver disease in the presence of essential hypertension. - PubMed - NCBI[relevance]
Fatty liver promotes fibrosis in monkeys consuming high fructose. - PubMed - NCBI[relevance]

And here as well this one if I read it correctly they said high carbohydrate diets will lead to liver fibrosis. In animals

That's bc you domt know how to apply the research properly yet. I'll give you a hint, animals (rats and mice ESPECIALLY) process carbs very differently than humans do.
 
I largely avoid fructose. Bananas, blueberries, and occasionally mango are the only fruits I eat with any frequency.

Is fructose bad for you? - Harvard Health Blog

Is fructose bad for you?
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POSTED APRIL 26, 2011, 1:28 PM
Patrick J. Skerrett, Former Executive Editor, Harvard Health
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One of many controversies mixing up the field of nutrition is whether the use of high-fructose corn syrup in soft drinks and other foods is causing the paired epidemics of obesity and diabetes that are sweeping the United States and the world. I’ve ignored this debate because it never made sense to me—high-fructose corn syrup is virtually identical to the refined sugar it replaces. A presentation I heard yesterday warns that the real villain may be fructose—a form of sugar found in fruits, vegetables, and honey. It may not matter whether it’s in high-fructose corn syrup, refined sugar, or any other sweetener.

Sounding the alarm is Dr. Robert H. Lustig, a professor of pediatrics and an obesity specialist at the University of California, San Francisco. He is a key figure in a recent New York Times article called “Is Sugar Toxic?” Here’s some background and the gist of the presentation Lustig gave as part of a weekly seminar sponsored by Harvard School of Public Health’s Department of Nutrition. (You can watch Lustig’s entire talk or a view a similar version on YouTube.)

When fructose is joined to glucose, it makes sucrose. Sucrose is abundant in sugar cane, sugar beets, corn, and other plants. When extracted and refined, sucrose makes table sugar. In the 1800s and early 1900s, the average American took in about 15 grams of fructose (about half an ounce), mostly from eating fruits and vegetables. Today we average 55 grams per day (73 grams for adolescents). The increase in fructose intake is worrisome, says Lustig, because it suspiciously parallels increases in obesity, diabetes, and a new condition called nonalcoholic fatty liver disease that now affects up to one-third of Americans. (You can read more about nonalcoholic fatty liver disease in a Harvard Health Letter article.)

Virtually every cell in the body can use glucose for energy. In contrast, only liver cells break down fructose. What happens to fructose inside liver cells is complicated. One of the end products is triglyceride, a form of fat. Uric acid and free radicals are also formed.

None of this is good. Triglycerides can build up in liver cells and damage liver function. Triglycerides released into the bloodstream can contribute to the growth of fat-filled plaque inside artery walls. Free radicals (also called reactive oxygen species) can damage cell structures, enzymes, and even genes. Uric acid can turn off production of nitric oxide, a substance that helps protect artery walls from damage. Another effect of high fructose intake is insulin resistance, a precursor to diabetes.

In the 1970s and 1980s, the “fat is bad” mantra prompted a big shift in the American diet. People and food companies replaced fat, often healthy fat, with sugar, almost always refined sugar. But this sort of low-fat diet—one rich in refined sugar and thus in fructose—is really a high-fat diet when you look at what the liver does to fructose, said Dr. Lustig.

Experts still have a long way to go to connect the dots between fructose and nonalcoholic fatty liver disease, obesity, diabetes, heart disease, and cancer. Higher intakes of fructose are associated with these conditions, but clinical trials have yet to show that it causes them. There are plenty of reasons to avoid sugary drinks and foods with added sugar, like empty calories, weight gain, and blood sugar swings. Lustig offers another.

Every year I attend scores of talks on health and nutrition. Few prompt me to change what I do or what I eat. Lustig’s talk has me looking at the amount of sugar I take in, and thinking hard about sugar in my children’s diets.
 
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