"Generic" GH ASSAYS

[puckhog]

I appreciate what you and mands are doing.

 

[Eman]

Curious, how and why would anyone be "fired" who's "working" for NOTHING!

The source gets paid though...

until they get fired.

 

[Dr JIM]

The source gets paid though...

until they get fired.

Ok I see where your coming from but this is NOT the first time results along these lines have been posted yet from what I can tell not much changed.

MANY will continue to believe what they want or need to believe and rationalize this data such as; well the TP same was from one of their "bad batches" or it didn't come from MY TP GH KIT, etc.

How ironic some GH users don't need the involved UGL to provide excuses, they have their own.

That's not to suggest ALL the data will be this "bad" but a considerable portion will be and NONE of it will be on par with PHARM GH, IME.

Nonetheless I suppose some generic GH may be worth purchasing in spite of its lower quality bc of the COST differential bt it and Pharm GH.

 

[Eman]

yet from what I can tell not much changed

Your contribution has a bigger impact than you think IMO.

 

[Gigem46]

Is anyone going to post these on PM? I'd love to see the reaction...

 

[muscle96ss]

Is anyone going to post these on PM? I'd love to see the reaction...

That would not be a good idea. There is a past history between members of these boards and it is just going to end up with name calling and nothing productive coming from it. The fact is, TP has agreed to work with mands on this; so lets give them the space to do their work and hold off judgement until we have more answers. The greys have been around for several years and have consistently had good serum scores, IGF-1 scores, and there have also been a fair number of real lab tests done on them(HPLC, immunoassay, maldi-tof) and they have always tested with high purity and accurate dosage in those tests. So lets not jump the gun here and lets let this play out. I am planning on trying to stay out of this thread and watch as things unfold as I have complete trust with both mands and TP involved that this will be a positive outcome and learning experience for all. But if people start turning it personal and drag me into it then obviously I will defend myself. So hopefully we can refrain from this turning to a shit show and try to keep things mature here.

 

[TrenasaurusHex]

It's too bad that even decent quality gh is exponentially harder to find than pure cocaine or heroin around my parts...
Basically the options are spend thousands on pharma to be guaranteed or buy generics and pray that I'm not getting bent over for every penny and won't get an immune response?

 

[Dr JIM]

Your contribution has a bigger impact than you think IMO.

I want everyone to know this would be impossible wo MANDS and the trust we have developed for each other over the years !

 

[XKawN]

Yes, a big thanks to Dr Gunz and Mands.

 

[Dr JIM]

Is anyone going to post these on PM? I'd love to see the reaction...

PM is a source board, as a result one of its primary objectives is the SALE of PEDs. Consequently some of what is considered a "rules violation" on PM AND ELSEWHERE, are GTG or even encouraged on Meso.

In contradistinction, Meso is an uncensored Men's Health Forum and PED discussion board, in which the use rather than the sale of PEDs is emphasized.

While the overlap is considerable, they both fulfill a "need" which only expanded once AAS became registered and regulated as scheduled substances.

 

[Dr JIM]

SAMPLE TWO

This sample also had an LC/MS trypsin cleavage assay conducted which determines how consistent the samples AA sequence is with that of HGH. The results were highly consistent or "high probability" with HGH.

In cases of this nature, about the only other assay that may prove useful with respect to efficacy, is a pre AND post therapy serum IGF level.

 

[Nutpuncher]

SAMPLE TWO

This sample also had an LC/MS trypsin cleavage assay conducted which determines how consistent the samples AA sequence is with that of HGH. The results were highly consistent or "high probability" with HGH.

Which brand is this?

 

[Dr JIM]

SAMPLE THREE

 

[Dr JIM]

I DONT KNOW THE BRANDS GUYS!

That MANDS area, as it limits me being accused of "doctoring" the data.

We can only do what our schedules permit us to do, and his is obviously quite different from mine. He'll be along eventually and reveal the sources.

These are the compromises we both agreed upon to ensure some of the nonsense that transpired, AND ENDED, the last GH thread are not a recurring theme here.

 

[jJjburton]

Sooo do the results mean bad? It said a ttal of 4.69 ius in the bottle. Which isnt good. For sample 2

 

[Eman]

Which brand is this?

Kefei blue top

 

[jJjburton]

Same with number 3 has 3.68 ius in bottle.

 

[Eman]

Sample 3 appears to be pcom's pharmatropin

 

[puckhog]

I sent three samples a few months ago. One was the grey top, one was a blue top Kefei and one was a Pharmacom.

I'm looking for the distributor on the grey top. Everyone hold on. I was out of town and just got back so I have to go through my records. I didn't purchase the grey top. It was sent to me if I remember correctly.

I do know the blue top kefei(HGH power) was purchased anonymously by me along with the pharmacom blue top.

mands

 

[Dr JIM]

Yea I agree the number of IU's are not what the vials state them to be. Hello hello hello is anyone surprised? I told you guys this will be the case with generics long ago and that's WHY such testing needs to be done.

HOWEVER, let me make a suggestion before you fellas list a product as "good or bad" based purely on the number of IU's, it sure would help if you KNEW the cost relative to PHARM GH and compared them on a DOLLAR/IU basis!