Lol chaos is about to commenceEveryone prepare for a whole page response from Frank.... @mands, can you post the post # for this result? I don't even know how to negotiate through all this BS haha
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Lol chaos is about to commenceEveryone prepare for a whole page response from Frank.... @mands, can you post the post # for this result? I don't even know how to negotiate through all this BS haha
So, for people like myself... The vial contained 3.68ius, while advertised as 10ius, correct?"Generic" GH ASSAYS
Here you go @Pharmacom Helper and @Pharmacom Labs this should take you right to it.
mands
Yes sir!So, for people like myself... The vial contained 3.68ius, while advertised as 10ius, correct?
Okay great, because I'm fucking retarded... But, I know there are even bigger retards within our realm we call "Meso", so I just wanted to lend a helping hand... So to speak.Yes sir!
mands
Okay great, because I'm fucking retarded... But, I know there are even bigger retards within our realm we call "Meso", so I just wanted to lend a helping hand... So to speak.
I found the solution to all this expensive testing:
https://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/real-hgh-simple-home-test-guide-764031.html
@tp2013
Hello TP.
Glad to see you joining us here at meso.
I have a question for you that has been drilling my mind since you started selling meditrope (black top).
So the prices between black and grey was not much but made a difference before.
Now the price is very close 115 a kit vs 105 if I remember properly.
You said many times that to
Be sure of consistency of black tops you are testing each batch so that you know that at least XX IU of HGH are in it.
Black have batch number.
Black have more IU.
Now I start wondering, why should someone ever buy grey?
Grey are not tested.
Grey have less IU.
Grey have no identification batch number.
Grey are more expensive.
The only thing grey have its long history of success. Or better said they have made a "name" in the generic scene.
But as we all know shit turns fast in this black market world.
Don't take my post as an accusation or anything, far from it.
I'm deadly curious to understand why someone should buy grey instead of black. At least from your point of view.
What one has to offer over the other?
@tp2013
Hello TP.
Glad to see you joining us here at meso.
I have a question for you that has been drilling my mind since you started selling meditrope (black top).
So the prices between black and grey was not much but made a difference before.
Now the price is very close 115 a kit vs 105 if I remember properly.
You said many times that to
Be sure of consistency of black tops you are testing each batch so that you know that at least XX IU of HGH are in it.
Black have batch number.
Black have more IU.
Now I start wondering, why should someone ever buy grey?
Grey are not tested.
Grey have less IU.
Grey have no identification batch number.
Grey are more expensive.
The only thing grey have its long history of success. Or better said they have made a "name" in the generic scene.
But as we all know shit turns fast in this black market world.
Don't take my post as an accusation or anything, far from it.
I'm deadly curious to understand why someone should buy grey instead of black. At least from your point of view.
What one has to offer over the other?
Great question by the way...something that I've wondered why one would go with TheGreyTops instead of Meditrope.....
Well good question.
is it all about the quantity of gh in a vial? purity does matter too and i think the greys are just a wee bit more on purity . Also it in individual preference. To some the greys might suit more than the blacks. After all they are made in different factories so for some might be less water retention and they might feel better on them ( Just a thought ). Also do not forget these can be verified with the security stickers and some people like it. But than the draw back is these do not have distinct identification from the other greytops. While backs are for sure distinct plus them having the numbers on each vials makes they unique. End if the day its individual preference. Some resell it and they need these anti-counterfeit stickers to make their gh look more legit. Others do not think its a preference and go with blacks.
I don't know for sure but I do KNOW some UGLs use lot numbers and of Exp dates as a means of enhancing sales by mimicing what "Pharma does".
The validity and or usefulness of such data on generic GH vials is dubious at best IMO.
The gh is produced at sometime correct? So i think that would be useful info to put . That is date of manufacture and expiry. How accurate that information is for generic gh is a totally different debate. And if the information is correct than it is worth while to have that information on the packet..
The blacktops did a bit differently and i like that method better. They put a batch number on each vial. So we know which batch that particular vial belongs to. And i know for a fact that the factory which makes the blacktops does do this accurately. So this indeed is useful information as compared to putting the numbers on boxes but still not knowing if indeed the vials in the boxes are from that particular batch or not. No way to reconfirm it is what iam getting at.
Unless that is either TP or PD can elaborate further about how such info can be useful from an analytical perspective.
If you can confirm the batch of each vial than it can be useful information.
For example Pharma uses lot numbers to correlate with the SITE, DATE, among other factors, as a means of removing a product from the market with "lot numbers" X, Y or Z should a recall occur.
^^^^
How do you KNOW the lot number correlates with ANYTHING useful?
That's the point of my earlier comment and unless those who are directly involved with said manufacturing processes opt to clarify the utility of "lot numbers, exp dates, etc" their purpose remains UNKNOWN IMO.
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Do your own testing IGF fist
But we have to do this all honestly here. That is the key requirement
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Well good question.
is it all about the quantity of gh in a vial? purity does matter too and i think the greys are just a wee bit more on purity . Also it in individual preference. To some the greys might suit more than the blacks. After all they are made in different factories so for some might be less water retention and they might feel better on them ( Just a thought ). Also do not forget these can be verified with the security stickers and some people like it. But than the draw back is these do not have distinct identification from the other greytops. While backs are for sure distinct plus them having the numbers on each vials makes they unique. End if the day its individual preference. Some resell it and they need these anti-counterfeit stickers to make their gh look more legit. Others do not think its a preference and go with blacks.
If i were a customer i would take the results of a factory as biased. Even the results i post for the blacks that we test ourselves can be considered as biased ( but those tests are done mainly for our satisfaction and to boost our confidence that indeed the product we are carrying is good). But if the serums and igf results can match the numbers in the hplc testing than those hplc reports MIGHT carry some weight for a customer.While I certainly agree with your list of possibilities it's a bit disingenuous to suggest there may be some "problems" with the ANALYTICAL methods used, in the absence of your own assays
to cite for comparison.
To that end, I've every reason to believe, the fact generic GH manufactures have yet to post comparative GH assays as "proof" what is being sold is GTG, is the primary reason said manufactures lack the credibility they so desperately seek!
I mean UGLs are making MILLIONS off these products but can't afford a few AAA to aid consumers in their effort to purchase a GH product of reasonable quality.
With deference TP if generic GH mates want more credibility then such pursuits must be earned and analytical testing would be a fine start, providing
such data is NOT limited to all inclusive narrative information.
Oh I know the "other" concern is members may not trust UGL GH data?
Haha sorry but welcome to my world, one in which the truth behind generic GH has ALWAYS been and remains the ONLY OBJECTIVE, nothing more or less, period!
Jim
If i were a customer i would take the results of a factory as biased. Even the results i post for the blacks that we test ourselves can be considered as biased ( but those tests are done mainly for our satisfaction and to boost our confidence that indeed the product we are carrying is good). But if the serums and igf results can match the numbers in the hplc testing than those hplc reports MIGHT carry some weight for a customer.
Do you know any difference in manufacturing between the two?
From your tests the difference in purity between black an di grey is mostly 2% I wouldn't say it's a game breaking. Highly negligible. Grey are long time Proven if you can say that but you aren't testing them randomly instead you do are testing the black. Why?
Another question I always wondered was: why black are overdosed? Is that made on purpose? If yes why?