BR1217
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I just hate to see guys waste their hard earned money on crap. Chinese generic HGH has to be the single biggest scam in the AAS world, especially on the boards.
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Now you know WHY I'm willing to test this "stuff".
As many others KNOW the signs and symptoms derived from "generic GH does NOT OCCUR with PHARM grade GH.
However if you review the research during that long interval when PH rHGH was being developed you will find many of these side effects occurred in animal models when NOT given species specific bio-identical GH!
There should be no doubt these complications are NOT IN USERS BEST INTEREST, bc they most assuredly represent an allergic reaction to the PROTEINS contained in generic GH.
I personally believe folks whom are using this BUNK are risking far to much for "growth".
Nonetheless everyone must decide for them selves "IS THE RISK WORTH THE BENEFIT", you know my opinion, HELL NO!
Jim
Jimmyhoffa59
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@ Dr Jim, do you have the analysis that shows what other compounds are in some of the generics you have ran that you can post..minus all info on who or what brands?
At least 23-30% of those asking for "GH" analysis is from sources!
I've recently processed their "GH" only to discover later the product submitted was Pharm grade GH.
Obviously they do this to enhance sales of their generic GH saying that which I tested was what they are selling, generic GH.
They wanted their "data" to post on other forums and when
confronted with the results being Ph they give me several lines of BS, but, wha, duh,hmm etc!
Rest assured these dirt balls don't have your or my interest in mind, and dealing with trash like this DOES engender a certain degree of negativity on my behalf which probably rubs off when posting on Meso occasionally.
So no doubt my patience grows a little thin when the motives, intent or purpose for being on Meso are undermined bc I'm far to "abrasive, crass or confrontational" etc.
To those people I say go elsewhere, don't read my damn posts, slam your Dr Jim ignore icon, or grow some thicker skin bc I'm NOT going to temper my statements to appease your tender heart!
I've recently processed their "GH" only to discover later the product submitted was Pharm grade GH.
Obviously they do this to enhance sales of their generic GH saying that which I tested was what they are selling, generic GH.
They wanted their "data" to post on other forums and when
confronted with the results being Ph they give me several lines of BS, but, wha, duh,hmm etc!
Rest assured these dirt balls don't have your or my interest in mind, and dealing with trash like this DOES engender a certain degree of negativity on my behalf which probably rubs off when posting on Meso occasionally.
So no doubt my patience grows a little thin when the motives, intent or purpose for being on Meso are undermined bc I'm far to "abrasive, crass or confrontational" etc.
To those people I say go elsewhere, don't read my damn posts, slam your Dr Jim ignore icon, or grow some thicker skin bc I'm NOT going to temper my statements to appease your tender heart!
Jimmyhoffa59
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Good, I've come to that understanding. Okay so do you have any reports from trusted meso members who you ran samples for? If really like to know what kind of shit is in it, or like other said, what's causing the "good" readings in blood serums? Also, are you accepting samples for testing by Meso members Unassociated with labs currently? And no...not for free...
Jimmyhoffa59
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Or, fuck the lab analysis reports, can you list the other compounds you have found in the generic batches and/or explain why they would cause a decent serum reading from blood work? Or what compounds may be causing the generic brands associated sides ie, swollen hands, pain, all those things.
Thanks
Thanks
I doubt it. There hasn't been to many reports posted on meso about generic gh. I had something tested and the only info I received was they were above 88% pure. The generic game is fucked up. No denying it. Is like to know what the correlation between gh and serum is. Plus what else is really swelling up hands and causing numbness. I haven't heard any real answers. I've been talking to someone who really knows how the generic game works in china and I'm told without a perscription it's hard to obtain real gh via black market. Tho Jins, and Hyges are generic.
Now that's a good question bc at present there is no UNIVERSAL GH LAB STANDARD. And what that means, is several assays (between 4-6) are being used to determine the serum GH level!
Equally important, you MUST also have a pretreatment GH level performed using the SAME TEST, to determine the magnitude of change between pre and post GH therapy.
Consequently simply obtaining a "GH level" is not adequate you MUST know the methodology involved otherwise chances are you will be comparing apples the oranges.
Some of these are ELISA (antigen antibody tests which bind to a portion of the GH polypeptide) and some use a fragmentation analysis as specific as LC/MS. Moreover many of the tests used can NOT differentiate species specific Amino Acid alterations. The ONLY test which does differentiate even minor changes of the GH molecule is Trypsin Fragmentation analysis with a cost of at least one grand!
Ergo a GH LEVEL alone does NOT determine if the product is PH grade.
The bottom line unless your willing to fork over a grand for an LC/MS the chances are if the product your using causes untoward adverse effects such as joint swelling, stiffness, pain especially if those symptoms are debilitating the GH your using is NOT PH GRADE.
Jim
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p-lethal
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i'll just stick to aas. shit is too stressful 
I've heard guys say it's cut with peptides. I've seen no actual reports or real proof of this. I e also heard someone say if you have any redness or swelling around the injection site it's due to the proteins in the gh. BULLSHIT! Listen I believe what I have in these haizijyuan Hyges are good. But hats not to say over the past 7 months I haven't had garbage. I have. For a few months I running black tops that tested above 88% they made me so lethargic not even pharma t4 was helping. Something else was In them. From what I'm told there is only 1 factory producing these differant colored tops. Blue in particular and any and all copies/counterfeits. These guys are good. They are even getting used kits from hospitals with the anti-fake codes and putting junk in them. Just be careful.gather reviews from a bunch before buying.
Because the development of injection site erythema (redness) is not at all common to Pharm grade GH, it's occurrence may be the result of a more focal inflammatory response such as certain chemicals, preservatives in particular. So this form of a "reaction" is NOT an allergy per say but a response to the toxic nature of the chemical itself.
However this adverse effect may also be a precursor of more worrisome complications, which have yet to develop such as proteinaceous allergies.
Incidentally I HAVE detected the presence of smaller peptides in GH but most are so small that cell mediated allergic phenomena are very unlikely to develop. That's bc "allergic proteins" must be large enough for antibodies to bind specific epitopes (antigenic sites) and form antigen/antibody "immune complexes".
In fact that is one reason "peptides" only rarely cause allergic reactions (absence hapten formation) they are just to small to be recognized as "foreign" by the immune system.
However this adverse effect may also be a precursor of more worrisome complications, which have yet to develop such as proteinaceous allergies.
Incidentally I HAVE detected the presence of smaller peptides in GH but most are so small that cell mediated allergic phenomena are very unlikely to develop. That's bc "allergic proteins" must be large enough for antibodies to bind specific epitopes (antigenic sites) and form antigen/antibody "immune complexes".
In fact that is one reason "peptides" only rarely cause allergic reactions (absence hapten formation) they are just to small to be recognized as "foreign" by the immune system.
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ironwill1951
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most sources say the green top hgh is the best, because its the same color as the hard earned money they are screwing you out of ...
Marcus
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Lol
I have tried all pharma grade and generics gh and i believe pharm grade is in no doubt higher quality, but in no ways does that mean generic are bunk.
All this hate for generics is base less and falls more like someone got screwed once on generics and now theyre call everything bunk.
The difference between serostim/pharmgrade gh and generics is like comparing a mercedes benz and a kia. Benz will get you from point A to point B faster and smoother. While kia takes more time and be a little more bumpier. But in the end of the day they both will serve the same purpose, get you to where u want to go.
All this hate for generics is base less and falls more like someone got screwed once on generics and now theyre call everything bunk.
The difference between serostim/pharmgrade gh and generics is like comparing a mercedes benz and a kia. Benz will get you from point A to point B faster and smoother. While kia takes more time and be a little more bumpier. But in the end of the day they both will serve the same purpose, get you to where u want to go.
Personally, I am waiting for some "HGH is like a woman"-analogies ;-)
HuckingFuge
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the problem with generics is they have no consistency on being HGH every time, so for that reason a lone I'll save my money for Pharma HGH.
Also the price comparison people are making is absurd. Seros cause $2000 retail and generics cost low hundreds. Thats why generics cant have gh in them cause the real gost of gh is so and so.
Im sorry if anyone is still paying more than $650 for seros deserved to be slapped or are new to this game. If you have any kind of connects $450 can be easily had. If not ok, go pay the third man $600. But $1000-$2000...please....its like go buying pfizer viagra from the pharmacy for that crazy price. We all know how much it can be had for generics.
The only bold and sure claim i would can make is that generics quality will never be as consistent as pharm grade. But to say its all fake or bunk is being naive. Imo ..Many blood test and personal experience backs it up.
Im sorry if anyone is still paying more than $650 for seros deserved to be slapped or are new to this game. If you have any kind of connects $450 can be easily had. If not ok, go pay the third man $600. But $1000-$2000...please....its like go buying pfizer viagra from the pharmacy for that crazy price. We all know how much it can be had for generics.
The only bold and sure claim i would can make is that generics quality will never be as consistent as pharm grade. But to say its all fake or bunk is being naive. Imo ..Many blood test and personal experience backs it up.
HuckingFuge
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from my experience I've never had that $450 connection to pharma HGH or I would consider that. I've watched to many people get burned on generics to want to even venture down that road. I'm glad it has worked out for you 
Thank you. But what you saying is that you wouldnt buy gh unless its pharm grade right?
HuckingFuge
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yes, cause I would go fucking crazy if I got a bunch of bunk HGH. there is no repercussions to getting bunk HGH or AAS. I've never had an issue with getting bunk AAS, but to many people getting bunk HGH from generics.
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