Ghost guns

[bighunanballs]

The age old question, show me any criminal following gun laws.


What should change is gun EDUCATION. There is NONE, besides the few that get it from their parents.
Who knows if education would help or change anything, but its not there so we dont know.

Well there is plenty of gun education out there by the mainstream media. The same media that thinks it's good too inject our toddlers with hormones for sex changes and chop off little boys wieners. Do you know what the mainstream media has to say about guns.... They want them banned funny how the sick perverted woke agenda wants to take away the guns...

 

[malfeasance]

The murder rate in Switzerland is extremely low, less than 1 per 100,000.

US has much higher murder rates, even bare handed, or stabbing, or other weapons. Handguns are the highest rates.

Rifles (any rifles) are actually not used very often. There were only 511 murders with any kind of long gun in the United States in 2023. There were literally more murders with hands and feet than murders with rifles.

What cultural issue results in murders with hands and feet at a much higher rate than murders of all types in Switzerland? It can't be your "hillbillies hoarding guns" theory of crime, because we are literally talking about unarmed murders using hands and feet.

What else accounts for the difference?

 

[RekTest]

Well there is plenty of gun education out there by the mainstream media. The same media that thinks it's good too inject our toddlers with hormones for sex changes and chop off little boys wieners. Do you know what the mainstream media has to say about guns.... They want them banned funny how the sick perverted woke agenda wants to take away the guns...

Dont get me started on the mainstream media…. The laws obama put into place that allowed them to push propaganda through the media…………..

 

[malfeasance]

Homicides by murder weapon in the U.S. 2023| Statista

Handguns are by far the most common murder weapon used in the United States, accounting for 7,159 homicides in 2023.

www.statista.com

 

[narta]

I guess you all are in the right and gun ownership is ok.

Enjoy your next school shooting.

 

[egruberman]

What is the difference in culture to which you refer?

Have you ever been to Switzerland? The Swiss have a very distinct culture. Most notably, they have a deep sense of responsibility to the community and working for the common good all while not being particularly collectivist.

Zurich looks vastly different than any city in the US, which I think is a reflection of that culture.

 

[malfeasance]

I guess you all are in the right and gun ownership is ok.

Enjoy your next school shooting.

I am seriously interested in what is different about Switzerland and US culture. I was interested in it before you posted. Accordingly, I am interested in your opinion.

I don't know the answer, so your opinion can't be wrong.

I have some thoughts, and I will be happy to share them

 

[malfeasance]

Have you ever been to Switzerland? The Swiss have a very distinct culture. Most notably, they have a deep sense of responsibility to the community and working for the common good all while not being particularly collectivist.

Zurich looks vastly different than any city in the US, which I think is a reflection of that culture.

Yes, I have, and I agree with what you posted.

 

[RekTest]

Homicides by murder weapon in the U.S. 2023| Statista

Handguns are by far the most common murder weapon used in the United States, accounting for 7,159 homicides in 2023.

www.statista.com

Also interesting to note..

Murder victims by race U.S. 2023| Statista

In 2023, the FBI reported that there were 9,284 Black murder victims in the United States and 7,289 white murder victims.

www.statista.com

 

[malfeasance]

I will add that there is also a since of responsibility and belonging. The militia membership and their shooting sports are a part of their national identity. Young males feel like they belong to and contribute to something important to their nation.

School shooters in the USA - how many have been Boy Scouts? How many have been athletes on a sports team? A member of the school band? Belonged to anything, really . . .

 

[malfeasance]

Also interesting to note..

Murder victims by race U.S. 2023| Statista

In 2023, the FBI reported that there were 9,284 Black murder victims in the United States and 7,289 white murder victims.

www.statista.com

If you remove all black crime from the statistics, you get rates much more like European countries, but not Switzerland, which has murder rates at somewhere around 0.5 per 100k each year.

 

[RekTest]

If you remove all black crime from the statistics, you get rates much more like European countries, but not Switzerland, which has murder rates at somewhere around 0.5 per 100k each year.

Would you say them requiring them to serve, is in itself a form of education? Something the US is missing.

 

[SpicyMeatball]

No I think it's safe to say that this young man was itching to get out there and do something like this. This is one of the reasons our military goes after young men, they think they are invincible and are always itching for a fight. I don't see any distinction between that and our own police. Do you think our police are not out there getting their jollies off throwing their power around on the regular citizens? At the end of the day this kid did nothing illegal regardless how people feel emotionally about it. He went out there with a group of armed citizens which is perfectly legal to protect storefronts. If you're out there protesting and you venture into looting than prepare to get shot. There is nothing wrong with protesting but I draw the line at using a protest as a facade to break into private businesses and steal or damage private property. If I had a business out there I would be grateful that a group of arms citizens would want to come out and help keep people from breaking into my shop and stealing

I have a business with inventory. I kindly request no young men murder anyone stealing it on my behalf. Just call 911 for me, no need to larp as a vigilante hero. As a grown up who hasn’t played too many videogames, I’ll file an insurance claim about it and we can skip the murder part.

 

[malfeasance]

I have a business with inventory. I kindly request no young men murder anyone stealing it on my behalf. Just call 911 for me. I’ll file an insurance claim about it and we can skip the murder part.

Nobody murdered anybody who was stealing.



Somebody shot at Rittenhouse. Then Rittenhouse was attacked, unprovoked, by a nut job felon sex offender, and Rittenhouse tried to flee and finally shot him only when the criminal actually touched the gun to grab it. He had early in the night been acting aggressively toward Rittenhouse and others, on video.

Then loony leftist mobs went after Rittenhouse. The second guy he shot was hitting him in the head with a skateboard, knocking him down as he was fleeing so that the crowd surrounded him, and was shot when attacking his head again. The third guy he shot had a pistol and pointed it at Rittenhouse's face as he was sitting in the street after being knocked down. Rittenhouse turned his rifle toward him, and the man lowered the pistol to keep from being shot. Rittenhouse thought he was not a threat, so he turned back to his right to see if anybody else from the crowd was going to attack. At that point the man raised the pistol again to shoot Rittenhouse in the face. Rittenhouse quickly got a shot off, severing his bicep.

All of this was covered in painstakingly detail and on video in court. There are multiple videos of each incident. You can still watch every minute of the trial on Youtube if you are so inclined.

The jury rightly found him not guilty.

Frankly, the prosecutor proved it was self defense before Rittenhouse even put on the first witness. The prosecution witnesses and video proved justification. There was never any real doubt about the outcome.

The case never should have been prosecuted.

 

[narta]

I am seriously interested in what is different about Switzerland and US culture. I was interested in it before you posted. Accordingly, I am interested in your opinion.

I don't know the answer, so your opinion can't be wrong.

I have some thoughts, and I will be happy to share them

The difference in culture is the obvious: USA is trying to actively interfere and control foreign soil, through wars (either economic, cyber or actual conflict) and on the other hand, Switzerland (and less known Sweden) are neutral to any state conflict since the 1815 and 1814 respectively.

In the USA violence is embedded into everyday living, since the day the Spaniards and Portugals set foot in the continent and decided to eradicate the native residents. Cowboys wielding guns in the open and using them cause...reasons was something casual. Hell, even today there are states that open carry is casual. The dog eat dog mentality.

On the other hand, the majority of Europe gun ownership is strictly controlled, you need background checks and reason to get a permit to carry. There is no, get a gun with a drivers license (that the average USA gun shop owner doesn't even have the means to check for validity).

Granted there are counties that have worst crime rates (Brazil, Venezuela, Mexico and Colombia) but do you really consider being better that those shitholes an achievement? I would be embarrassed personally.

Alas, it is what it is. We have a difference of opinion. And all that comes form a guy that he is very well educated on weapons. I just see them as useful tools in the correct hands, not something anyone can and should have in their possession

 

[SpicyMeatball]

Nobody murdered anybody who was stealing.



Somebody shot at Rittenhouse. Then Rittenhouse was attacked, unprovoked, by a nut job felon sex offender, and Rittenhouse tried to flee and finally shot him only when the criminal actually touched the gun to grab it. He had early in the night been acting aggressively toward Rittenhouse and others, on video.

Then loony leftist mobs went after Rittenhouse. The second guy he shot was hitting him in the head with a skateboard, knocking him down as he was fleeing so that the crowd surrounded him, and was shot when attacking his head again. The third guy he shot had a pistol and pointed it at Rittenhouse's face as he was sitting in the street after being knocked down. Rittenhouse turned his rifle toward him, and the man lowered the pistol to keep from being shot. Rittenhouse thought he was not a threat, so he turned back to his right to see if anybody else from the crowd was going to attack. At that point the man raised the pistol again to shoot Rittenhouse in the face. Rittenhouse quickly got a shot off, severing his bicep.

All of this was covered in painstakingly detail and on video in court. There are multiple videos of each incident. You can still watch every minute of the trial on Youtube if you are so inclined.

The jury rightly found him not guilty.

Frankly, the prosecutor proved it was self defense before Rittenhouse even put on the first witness. The prosecution witnesses and video proved justification. There was never any real doubt about the outcome.

The case never should have been prosecuted.

I was referring to your remark:
“If you're out there protesting and you venture into looting than prepare to get shot”

As an aside, Rittenhouse is a moron and a disgrace, and exactly the kind of larping jackass i am talking about. He finagled a situation where he was legally able to kill someone just like my prepper neighbors who would love for someone to cross their property so they could shoot them. The guy is a real estate agent. There is this weird culture of wannabe moral highground killers and most of these guys are honestly just fucking nerds. Sometimes they pull it off like rittenhouse did. Sometimes they get a little too eager and land themselves in prison.

 

[iris]

I have a business with inventory. I kindly request no young men murder anyone stealing it on my behalf. Just call 911 for me, no need to larp as a vigilante hero. As a grown up who hasn’t played too many videogames, I’ll file an insurance claim about it and we can skip the murder part.

I get what you are saying.
I live where gun ownership is not allowed and not even the police ordinarily carry guns.
So, it is a very different mentality.
However, certain people do get hold of weapons and so shootings happen here, too.

The whole looting trip disguised as social "protest", though, I find abhorrent and has happened here, on many occasions.
That is all part of a culture of entitlement and biased victimhood that has a more profound impact on your life and your society than the issue of gun ownership, imo.

I wonder what would have happened here, had guns been available to people, when shops where smashed, looted and set fire to during a "protest", when police did zero.

One that was started because the police shot and ended up killing a drug dealer who appeared to have a gun.
Well done the police for actually doing something, once in a blue moon, lol.

But no, no applause for the police.
He was black and so you know how that goes.
They were being racist, so they all went and stole Nikes and expensive clothes to prove the point the police (and therefore white society) is evil.
However, they will also be protesting if black on black violence is not investigated enough.
But also protest against stop and search relating to knife crime, because it is somehow racist, when the vast majority of knife crime is committed by them.

All the while, LE and public institutions knew about gangs of Pakistani/Bangladeshi men, all over the country, targeting vulnerable white women (that ethnicity only) to be drugged, raped and abused.
Years later, it became known that they voluntarily took no action to avoid "stirring racial tensions".
According to an investigation, it is still happening.

You will forgive me, hopefully, for hearing this and wanting to reach for a gun.
Or for wanting a revolution that gets rid of them all, all the politicians and institutions we fund intent in destroying their own people and culture.

What will change your country forever is the Liberal nihilism that is entrenched at the very roots of everything in the West and is leading to its cultural and social demise.
Whether you guys have guns or not, it pales, in comparison.
Even without them, we are in exactly the same situation.

But had my shop been one of those set on fire to protest against a criminal accidentally being killed by the police, would I have wanted my next door neighbour been seen out with gun?
Probably not, although i may also have somewhat appreciated the sentiment (no Rambo, just someone indicating wanting to protect me).

Would I also like to see the police unwilling and unable to do anything about it when, I am sure, they knew it was coming and they did nothing for a reason?
No, neither.

 

[malfeasance]

I was referring to your remark:
“If you're out there protesting and you venture into looting than prepare to get shot”

As an aside, Rittenhouse is a moron and a disgrace, and exactly the kind of larping jackass i am talking about. He finagled a situation where he was legally able to kill someone just like my prepper neighbors who would love for someone to cross their property so they could shoot them. The guy is a real estate agent. There is this weird culture of wannabe moral highground killers and most of these guys are honestly just fucking nerds. Sometimes they pull it off like rittenhouse did. Sometimes they get a little too eager and land themselves in prison.

Oh, that was not my remark. Sorry, I do not know who wrote that.

I find it interesting that you think Rittenhouse somehow "engineered" the attacks on his person. This reveals that you did not watch any of the trial and really have no clue what happened. Maybe you should watch it. It may not change your opinion, but at least you will know what you are talking about.

 

[TurboJet]

From when my daughter was born

 

[SpicyMeatball]

Oh, that was not my remark. Sorry, I do not know who wrote that.
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sorry it was bighunanaballs. You are both so studly that I mixed you up. It was the basis for my remarks about please don’t feel a need to protect my property, all you 17 year old boys with assault rifles, I’m good without your help.

You know damn well that a 17 year old turning up at a protest with an AR15 to “protect property” is hoping to create conflict and generate an outcome, which he got. Dude wasn’t there because he gives a shit about other people’s property. I remember being a stubborn, idiotic, invincible 17 year old myself, it’s exactly the kind of dumbass thing I’d have done.

Anyway, good for him, he got what he wanted. He was one of the lucky ones that managed to murder someone and get away with it. I’m not arguing the merits of the case, a jury already did that and found his dumbfuck actions to be legal.