Glute muscle infection from injection.

[synical]

There is a lot to this story, it happened to my friend yesterday and I was wondering what is the real issue.

People in the story:

Friend
Original Source
Backup Source

My friend and I always bought from "original source" for years, at one point he ran out for a long time and told us to text someone else whom we will call "backup source", he gave us the number for him. So we started buying from "backup source" regularly.

My friend is doing a cycle now and has been for about 6 weeks, he was only injecting in his glutes every 3-4 days, alternating glutes. The juice he's using is from "backup source" and is a lab well reviewed on this forum.

His glute got infected, swelled, and he went to the hospital last night. They gave him anti biotics and drained it with a needle. Tonight he has to go back to possibly get it drained again or get it cut open to better assess the damage. He's been cycling on and off for about 4-5 years and follows all the correct steps to keep things clean, so we both doubt that was the issue.

Now, "original source" found out about this situation and texted him telling him that's what he gets for going and buying cheap dirty garbage from other people, and that's why he's got the infection now. As I said, it's a well reviewed lab, his labels may be a knock off copy though.

But is it possible to get an infection from low quality or "dirty" product? Or is this a case of jealousy that the "original source" got cut out of the picture. Or is injecting that often in the same muscle the cause?

 

[Spooby]

How old are you and your friend?

 

[synical]

How old are you and your friend?

27.

 

[DoUEvenCardio]

Yes, you can get an infection from dirty gear. Which source is he using that's on this board?

 

[Milk Man]

Yes, you can get an infection from dirty gear. Which source is he using that's on this board?

+1 name the source and prevent more damage to other people

 

[synical]

Yes, you can get an infection from dirty gear. Which source is he using that's on this board?

+1 name the source and prevent more damage to other people

They are highly reviewed on here, and I actually recently contacted them to order. But this is a picture of his vial that he just sent me.

 

[Dr JIM]

1) But is it possible to get an infection from low quality or "dirty" product?

2) Or is this a case of jealousy that the "original source" got cut out of the picture.

3) Or is injecting that often in the same muscle the cause?

1) IF the product is contaminated with an over abundance of bacteria bc it was NOT filtered adequately OR an inadequate amount of "preservative" was used OF COURSE this can result in an infection.

Of the few cases I've seen where the SOURCE was believed to be the proximate cause of the infection (rather than poor technique on behalf of the user)
ALL were unestablished "bathtub Brewers" IME

2) who knows

3) that's a potential contributor if the gear is "minimally
contaminated" as the effect may be additive. But pinning clean gear at the same or site should not result in an infection

Most infections occur bc of poor technique on behalf of a hurried user.

However if your friend developed redness or other signs of inflammation EVERY TIME he pinned from the same vial the gear becomes highly suspect IMO

I will also add IME the majority of deep seated infections such as those requiring formal drainage are the result of CANTAIMINATED GEAR, unless the user is an absolute slob and I'm being serious.

 

[synical]

1) IF the product is contaminated with an over abundance of bacteria bc it was NOT filtered adequately OR an inadequate amount of "preservative" was used OF COURSE this can result in an infection.

Of the few cases I've seen where the SOURCE was believed to be the proximate cause of the infection (rather than poor technique on behalf of the user)
ALL were unestablished "bathtub Brewers" IME

2) who knows

3) that's a potential contributor if the gear is "minimally
contaminated" as the effect may be additive. But pinning clean gear at the same or site should not result in an infection

Most infections occur bc of poor technique on behalf of a hurried user.

However if your friend developed redness or other signs of inflammation EVERY TIME he pinned from the same vial the gear becomes highly suspect IMO

I will also add IME the majority of deep seated infections such as those requiring formal drainage are the result of CANTAIMINATED GEAR, unless the user is an absolute slob and I'm being serious.

So, he said he was using biomed without any problems, his source ran out and sold him the Pareto vial pictured, which then started the infection. He's clean, I've pinned him before and seen how he takes care of it all and the site of injection. So I presume a 1 off bad product, or a fake? Would be the conclusion, since everything I've read about them on here so far has been quite positive.

 

[Dr JIM]

The only way to KNOW is testing the vial for bacterial counts.

It's actually a very simple test almost any lab can perform

 

[Ozzy619]

There is a lot to this story, it happened to my friend yesterday and I was wondering what is the real issue.

People in the story:

Friend
Original Source
Backup Source

My friend and I always bought from "original source" for years, at one point he ran out for a long time and told us to text someone else whom we will call "backup source", he gave us the number for him. So we started buying from "backup source" regularly.

My friend is doing a cycle now and has been for about 6 weeks, he was only injecting in his glutes every 3-4 days, alternating glutes. The juice he's using is from "backup source" and is a lab well reviewed on this forum.

His glute got infected, swelled, and he went to the hospital last night. They gave him anti biotics and drained it with a needle. Tonight he has to go back to possibly get it drained again or get it cut open to better assess the damage. He's been cycling on and off for about 4-5 years and follows all the correct steps to keep things clean, so we both doubt that was the issue.

Now, "original source" found out about this situation and texted him telling him that's what he gets for going and buying cheap dirty garbage from other people, and that's why he's got the infection now. As I said, it's a well reviewed lab, his labels may be a knock off copy though.

But is it possible to get an infection from low quality or "dirty" product? Or is this a case of jealousy that the "original source" got cut out of the picture. Or is injecting that often in the same muscle the cause?

If he's 6 weeks in a cycle and has multiple pins from the "back up" source than most likely user error. Contaminated gear would have infected him first pin.

 

[Dr JIM]

If he's 6 weeks in a cycle and has multiple pins from the "back up" source than most likely user error. Contaminated gear would have infected him first pin.

That depends upon the degree of "contamination", host immunity and the virulence of the involved bacteria to name a few

In fact for these reasons user error usually results in spontaneous clearance or the development of a more focal process such as cellulitis.

That being said with such limited info such side effects are usually NOT as "cut and dry" as many believe it to be IMME

I mean heck the OP is NOT even the PATIENT!

 

[Dr JIM]

Contaminated gear would have infected him first pin.

Being mindful of those contributing factors I mentioned previously, that's generally true OZ!

However since "mild" infectious processees often clear spontaneously, they can readily be dismissed as "part of the deal" by users.

Consequently what can happen I eluded to earlier as an "additive effect", in that several injections in relatively close anatomic proximity can overwhelm host immunity with the end result being an overt infection.

@synical there is one question you "friend" could ask his Doc that MAY help differentiate whether this infection is the result of contaminated gear.

Have him ask the Doc WHAT bacteria were noted in the CULTURE!

Although some docs choose not to perform a wound culture esp if a "sterile abscess" is suspected and the latter would be a frequent occurance IF antibiotics were prescribed BEFORE the culture was obtained.

 

[Dr JIM]

..... a positive culture can be helpful with respect to the SOURCE of said infection

 

[synical]

Being mindful of those contributing factors I mentioned previously, that's generally true OZ!

However since "mild" infectious processees often clear spontaneously, they can readily be dismissed as "part of the deal" by users.

Consequently what can happen I eluded to earlier as an "additive effect", in that several injections in relatively close anatomic proximity can overwhelm host immunity with the end result being an overt infection.

@synical there is one question you "friend" could ask his Doc that MAY help differentiate whether this infection is the result of contaminated gear.

Have him ask the Doc WHAT bacteria were noted in the CULTURE!

Although some docs choose not to perform a wound culture esp if a "sterile abscess" is suspected and the latter would be a frequent occurance IF antibiotics were prescribed BEFORE the culture was obtained.

When I spoke with him tonight in person he said he walked in, said he had an intramuscular infection in his butt cheek from injecting steroids, he waited 4 days to see if it was just irritated and it got worse, so he wants anti biotics and to get it drained. They immediately put him on an IV of anti biotics in a room and about 2 hours later they pierced it with a large gauge needle/syringe and drained it. He didn't mention any sort of testing, but he is down there again now getting it checked out so I'll send him a screenshot of what you said.

 

[Leangains4life]

There is a lot to this story, it happened to my friend yesterday and I was wondering what is the real issue.

People in the story:

Friend
Original Source
Backup Source

My friend and I always bought from "original source" for years, at one point he ran out for a long time and told us to text someone else whom we will call "backup source", he gave us the number for him. So we started buying from "backup source" regularly.

My friend is doing a cycle now and has been for about 6 weeks, he was only injecting in his glutes every 3-4 days, alternating glutes. The juice he's using is from "backup source" and is a lab well reviewed on this forum.

His glute got infected, swelled, and he went to the hospital last night. They gave him anti biotics and drained it with a needle. Tonight he has to go back to possibly get it drained again or get it cut open to better assess the damage. He's been cycling on and off for about 4-5 years and follows all the correct steps to keep things clean, so we both doubt that was the issue.

Now, "original source" found out about this situation and texted him telling him that's what he gets for going and buying cheap dirty garbage from other people, and that's why he's got the infection now. As I said, it's a well reviewed lab, his labels may be a knock off copy though.

But is it possible to get an infection from low quality or "dirty" product? Or is this a case of jealousy that the "original source" got cut out of the picture. Or is injecting that often in the same muscle the cause?

Bostins loyd had a huge glute infection too... The reason he said was toomuch frequent 3cc injections

 

[canadian mutant]

@ParetoPharma

 

[Jeremiahflex]

Bostins loyd had a huge glute infection too... The reason he said was toomuch frequent 3cc injections

LOL which is his trade mark "3cc's"

 

[Dudu]

From what I've read it doesn't take much to screw up while pinning. I had used very good GP products, but ended up with mild cellulitis. Actually went away fairly quick. But i had taken 7 previous pins with same vial and nothing after that pin. Conclusion, my fault! I am so over cautious when it comes to pinning. My friends think its funny watching, it's a ritual. But i somehow contaminated that one pin. So its possible, even when your careful.

 

[Dr JIM]

Bostins loyd had a huge glute infection too... The reason he said was toomuch frequent 3cc injections

I suspect there's much more to that story than what he willingly discusses on some open board, lol.

 

[Ozzy619]

Consequently what can happen I eluded to earlier as an "additive effect", in that several injections in relatively close anatomic proximity can overwhelm host immunity with the end result being an overt infection.

This is great to know, never heard this before but I'll add it to my notes. I have in fact placed a pin in an old inject site that wasn't fully healed and I felt it right away, immediately removed.

One question I have, which I know you have given some insight before is filtering gear. Does this pose a higher likelihood of contamination as it is most likely done in a non sterile environment or would you recommend filtering gear?