I thought if stored properly and safely that the same reconstituted product could be testing multiple times over a month or more.
Would be interesting to do testing with same vial and do them from week to week.
mands
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Anabolic Steroids
Would be interesting to do testing with same vial and do them from week to week.
mands
Doug_S
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Compounds typically have a "holding time" after which values are j-flagged as estimated. It vaires from compound to compound. If you exceed the holding time for too long, the result is invalidated.
I have no idea what those times would be for HGH.
janoshik
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janoshik
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in my experience, dimer content did NOT vary wildly if the sample was reconsituted and stored in proper conditions...
however, oxidised variants of hgh soar up high in 2 weeks storage in fridge - at least with one particular sample I've had the data for. If you'll remind me in 12-24 hours I can post the data.
Jeffg353
New Member
Just to clarify that is for a vial after reconstituting it? Not when it's in the lipholized powder form?
janoshik
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lyophilised form does not change at all for years when stored at room temperature
Mr. Buck had sent me Riptropin that was quite a few years old and it tested just like new
don't remember the exact dates
Jeffg353
New Member
That's what I thought but just wanted to make sure I was on the same page
janoshik
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Looked it up for you - Riptropins Manufacturer Date 05/2013
The results were pretty much the same as equivalent product that was manufactured recently and from that I judge that little to no degradation had occurred.
Jeffg353
New Member
That's great to hear. I have quite a few kits sitting in the fridge and it's nice to know I don't have to worry about any degradation before I get to use them.
janoshik
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I think that one was not even stored in the fridge
Jeffg353
New Member
I think that one was not even stored in the fridge
No shit, that's crazy. I know they say refrigeration isn't as important before reconstituting as much as it is after. However it's just easier to keep it all in the fridge plus it's a dark temperature controlled spot.
janoshik
Subscriber
Can't but agree - but sometimes the fridge has its limits 
Indeed small amounts of
E-coli protein were detected in both GT samples that underwent
enzymatic LC/MS testing.
And as I've mentioned before the reactions I've seen pictures of are typical of what is observed in those
folk with a positive or "allergic" RAST test.
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I've seen this quote before and I'm quite sure it came from RESEARCH GRADE GH, and research grade GH is reserved for in-vitro experimental studies.
Because of its biologic consequences no measureable amount of "Endotoxin" should be present in Pharma GH.
Someone also mentioned "biologic testing" of GGH, sorry fellas but that's what many running GGH are doing, yet some still want or need to believe GGH complies with the same standards as Pharma, in spite of the cost differences and unsubstantiated oversight.
I mean seriously guys a what else are UGLs overlooking, if they can't even dose those products being sold correctly.
Marcus
New Member
Wtf?! Research grade GH with in-vitro experimental studies??? That has to cross some moral line
Research Grade GH is readily "available" on the net (Google it!) and lacks many of the governmental controls bc it's "NOT fit for human consumption".
Some labs use it to calibrate there assays and others find it useful for animal biological studies, etc.
That doesn't necessarily make it cheap esp for a bonafided product, but it does NOT meet Pharma standards by any means.
I mean why do people on Meso continue to believe they can get more for less.
If you fellas insist on using this stuff expect to pay for it, or expect a lower end product!
Bottom line you can get more or you can get less but you CANT get more for less and that's a matter of ECONOMICS, like it or not.
If you fellas insist on using this stuff expect to pay for it, or expect a lower end product!
Bottom line you can get more or you can get less but you CANT get more for less and that's a matter of ECONOMICS, like it or not.
Marcus
New Member
So trueeee.
I think most people on here aren't stupid enough to really believe that the GGH we are paying for is near pharma grade. But there is an inherent risk-reward that we are willing to take
or a cost-benefit you could say
So trueeee.
I think most people on here aren't stupid enough to really believe that the GGH we are paying for is near pharma grade. But there is an inherent risk-reward that we are willing to take
Seriously the real problem is we are dealing with a product made in China where decentralization and low income wage earners are the name of the game.
Heck it's impossible to tell if ANYONE is in charge and KNOWS WTF is being produced its quality, or safety.
And what's worse, users will NEVER be able to hold GGH producers responsible if something goes awry.
What is the "risk" of GGH, well one things for certain its higher than
Pharma!
Look around and know MONEY is what is pushing GGH sales, mate.
Incidentally @Marcus I'm not the only one who appreciates your contributions to Meso!
(Oh and WTH is that a PIC of in your AVI lol)
Jim
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