Hammer Anabolics dbol

Well you know that you got dbol here, so that's a plus. Now you just have to figure out the doseage part.

Do we really even know that fellas?

You mates need to understand LM is a reagent test only, as a result its primary utility is to RULE OUT the presence of ANY AAS!

From a analytical perspective it becomes MUCH more complicated when attempts are made to CONFIRM the presence of an anabolic agent and much more difficult still to determine which specific AAS is present.

Guys take a look at the chemical structures of AAS bc what's important is how little they may differ. Add a hydrogen, hydroxyl group or remove a methyl group and you now have a different AAS.

I will tell you NO reagent test is that good and in fact that's the very reason "drug testing" requires a MS and or an HPLC for confirmatory testing.

I'm not being critical here mates (especially of Odie) but as KKM has said, temper your enthusiasm with some reason based on science and to date the makers of LM haven't released ANY evidence based data proving this test does what they claim it can do!

You really want a better idea of how accurate LM may be NOW? Then you MUST use the same DBOL test on other AAS, especially those with a similar structure, to determine what type, if any, reaction occurs. (if you want some good test comparisons based on structural similarities, let me know)

Finally since many of the samples you fine mates sent me also underwent LM testing we will have a much better idea how to use LM once the damn lab (oh yea I'm as frustrated as anyone on Meso about the delays) I'm using is up and running with completed new standards.

Regs
JIM
 
But isnt Labmax tests in the field excepted in court as proof of possession by the DEA ? "If it turns blue , so are you" they use to say ....
 
Hell no, and whomever told you that is FOS!
At best it's a screening test ONLY and requires a confirmatory assay, period!
 
But isnt Labmax tests in the field excepted in court as proof of possession by the DEA ? "If it turns blue , so are you" they use to say ....

No. Not labmax. NIK (narcotics identification kit) are the field kits LE uses. It is only good for an initial charge.If the ddefendant contests the validity of the field test, it is sent to the lab.
 
No. Not labmax. NIK (narcotics identification kit) are the field kits LE uses. It is only good for an initial charge.If the ddefendant contests the validity of the field test, it is sent to the lab.

Labmax also sells narcotic kits , supposedly the same as used by law enforcement . Is Labmax really any different than what LE uses ? Just chemicals right ?
 
Labmax also sells narcotic kits , supposedly the same as used by law enforcement . Is Labmax really any different than what LE uses ? Just chemicals right ?

Yea well no LEA is going to use a test such as LM without PROOF they are reliable and I can find NO evidence that is the case with LM. Again they can be used by LE as an internal screening tool BUT unless there is evidence these tests are reliable and the officers using them were TRAINED and complied with some accepted protocol, the results simply will NOT pass legal scrutiny.

They are NOT CONFIRMATORY TESTS PERIOD. No reagent test is mate.

Oh and with regard to how this testing is really done by LE? The samples are sent to a CERTIFIED ANALYTICAL LAB that has passed and is compliant with several state and federal standards. I know bc I was involved in that very sort of testing.

As I said some LE departments may use certain "internal" assays as screening tools to "hold" a suspect for a period of time but that duration would be very limited absent a CONFIRMATION TEST by a CERTIFIED LAB

You think LM is really adequate for a drug prosecution then ask your self why OJ was acquitted in spite of all the evidence? Crap and that occurred even though the testing was done by certified labs!

Now LM may want you to believe otherwise but if they are suggesting anything to the contrary they are feeding folks a line OF SHIT!
 
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Yea well no LEA is going to use a test such as LM without PROOF they are reliable and I can find NO evidence that is the case with LM. Again they can be used by LE as an internal screening tool BUT unless there is evidence these tests are reliable and the officers using them were TRAINED and complied with some accepted protocol, the results simply will NOT pass legal scrutiny.

They are NOT CONFIRMATORY TESTS PERIOD. No reagent test is mate.

Im sure many a person is doing long terms based solely on field test and nothing else . Some small towns thats all they got and its all they need ....unless you contest it .
 
[QUOTE="Oregongearhead, post: 1202416, member: 62743"]Im sure many a person is doing long terms based solely on field test and nothing else . Some small towns thats all they got and its all they need ....unless you contest it .[/QUOTE]

I sincerely doubt that UNLESS their lawyers were absolutely worthless bc no field test is confirmatory, for several reasons.

But more importantly whether or not mistakes in the legal arena have occurred is mute, bc that's not the subject you raised.

You apparently were told by someone that LM is all they need for a conviction and I am saying that's absolutely bogus based on the existing legal lab standard.

However if you can find evidence to the contrary I'll gladly review it mate!
 
Dr.Jim , I dont know where you live (TEX ?), but you should know in the midwest and south things dont always go exactly by the books . Theres some crooked cops/court houses in the good ole boys USA !! :rolleyes:

OK - so your in the DFW area . I use to stay at my uncle/aunts in Plano for a few years ...
 
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NIK kits are legal for preliminary hearings. Anything beyond that it
has to be sent to the lab for analysis.
 
Do we really even know that fellas?

You mates need to understand LM is a reagent test only, as a result its primary utility is to RULE OUT the presence of ANY AAS!

From a analytical perspective it becomes MUCH more complicated when attempts are made to CONFIRM the presence of an anabolic agent and much more difficult still to determine which specific AAS is present.

Guys take a look at the chemical structures of AAS bc what's important is how little they may differ. Add a hydrogen, hydroxyl group or remove a methyl group and you now have a different AAS.

I will tell you NO reagent test is that good and in fact that's the very reason "drug testing" requires a MS and or an HPLC for confirmatory testing.

I'm not being critical here mates (especially of Odie) but as KKM has said, temper your enthusiasm with some reason based on science and to date the makers of LM haven't released ANY evidence based data proving this test does what they claim it can do!

You really want a better idea of how accurate LM may be NOW? Then you MUST use the same DBOL test on other AAS, especially those with a similar structure, to determine what type, if any, reaction occurs. (if you want some good test comparisons based on structural similarities, let me know)

Finally since many of the samples you fine mates sent me also underwent LM testing we will have a much better idea how to use LM once the damn lab (oh yea I'm as frustrated as anyone on Meso about the delays) I'm using is up and running with completed new standards.

Regs
JIM


This puts a whole new spin on things for me. The test is actually intended to rule out the prescence of hormones? Wow, that changes a lot. I need to completely rethink the utility of this product.
 
[QUOTE="Oregongearhead, post: 1202416, member: 62743"]Im sure many a person is doing long terms based solely on field test and nothing else . Some small towns thats all they got and its all they need ....unless you contest it .

I sincerely doubt that UNLESS their lawyers were absolutely worthless bc no field test is confirmatory, for several reasons.

But more importantly whether or not mistakes in the legal arena have occurred is mute, bc that's not the subject you raised.

You apparently were told by someone that LM is all they need for a conviction and I am saying that's absolutely bogus based on the existing legal lab standard.

However if you can find evidence to the contrary I'll gladly review it mate![/QUOTE]

Yeah, you would have to have a terrible lawyer to do a bit based a field test alone. But no doubt LEO would put the bracelets on you and give you the Miranda Act based on that . Then you have an arrest (same as conviction in the eyes of LEO) for something good that will absolutely be used against you in the future should anything occur.
 
This puts a whole new spin on things for me. The test is actually intended to rule out the prescence of hormones? Wow, that changes a lot. I need to completely rethink the utility of this product.

So , I guess the next question is are we wasting our money/time on Labmax tests when they have such a high rate of false positives/negatives . Is Labmax an effective tool or not ?
 
Chances are if LE brought their LM toys to ones hacienda before an arrest, they had a good idea what they would find.

And from a legal perspective an arrest WO a prosecution or conviction are like the difference between night and day.
 
So , I guess the next question is are we wasting our money/time on Labmax tests when they have such a high rate of false positives/negatives . Is Labmax an effective tool or not ?

The best answer to that question is I sincerely don't know mate, bc the evidence just isn't there one way or another,

I've made some suggestions about how you fellas can answer that question with a greater degree of confidence.

Otherwise I'll have to await formal HPLC testing before passing final judgement about LM ability to detect the presence or absence of SPECIFIC AAS.

However based on my knowledge about how close many of the agents are chemically, and the degree of difficulty achieving this task even with
an HPLC, I truly doubt LM can differentiate between all but a few AAS.

I would suggest it's more likely a positive LM test is indicative an AAS is present and a negative LM test probably rules out that possibility.

(I suggest the latter bc that is exactly how reagent tests are used in the field. A positive test your likely going to jail until a confirmation assay is conducted)
 
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The dbol is garbage! I have an idiot friend who orders from these idiots from Redditt. I'll test some of the orals out for him but I will not even breath on the oils. These dbols are supposed to be 25mg tabs. I have ran dbol almost every cycle over the past 10 years and have a good idea how my body reacts to a certain mg. I would put these tabs close to 15mg a piece. I have to take 75mg (three tabs) of these to get what 40mg of good dbol will give me. For the price, these are a fucking ripp-off. BUYER BEWARE. THERE IS MORE REBUTABLE DBOL OUT THERE THAT IS MORE POTENT FOR A CHEAPER PRICE.

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You sure it is from the same guy, because Hammer isn't on reddit.

Too bad we don't have a way to test quality.
 
The Labmax color chart says red/red for Dbol. And thats what the test said too , what do you do with no M/S on hand ? Munch a few everyday and wait for the
high BP/bloat/strength I guess.....
 
I have no idea the strength of hammers dbol I by no means want anyone to take any of my statements as a endorsement of Hammer or any other ugl. I simply tested some products with labmax and posted pics the more I use labmax the more I think it's useless I will not be wasting my money on anymore labmax kits as I agree with Dr.Jim different aas compounds are so close in make up I believe this test gives a false sense of good vs bad this vs that etc. I will spend my $ on blood work and ms/hplc testing.
 
The dbol is garbage! I have an idiot friend who orders from these idiots from Redditt. I'll test some of the orals out for him but I will not even breath on the oils. These dbols are supposed to be 25mg tabs. I have ran dbol almost every cycle over the past 10 years and have a good idea how my body reacts to a certain mg. I would put these tabs close to 15mg a piece. I have to take 75mg (three tabs) of these to get what 40mg of good dbol will give me. For the price, these are a fucking ripp-off. BUYER BEWARE. THERE IS MORE REBUTABLE DBOL OUT THERE THAT IS MORE POTENT FOR A CHEAPER PRICE.

EBK



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Thanks , Ebk I appreciate the review.
 
Thanks for the review ebk. I'm
Finishing some mfl dbol that I ordered when he first came out. I've been sittin on it for a long time. It's legit tho I ran it for 4 weeks @ 50mgs a day and got great results. I have 2 days left of it and I'll be switching to the hammer dbol
 
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