HCG and bloodwork multiplier rule of thumb?

[beedix]

Is there generally an established rule of thumb linear multiplier for testosterone blood levels when using only HCG?

I've been on a 84mg (total) biweekly dose of testc (quality raws) which consistently produces levels in the 830-850 range two days after injection. Definitely closely matches the 10x approximation.

Would regular hcg use alone would produce something as consistent albeit lower test levels?

 

[Michael Scally MD]

I am unclear on your post. Is this TC? The dose is 84 mg every two weeks? Why the odd dose?

 

[beedix]

Testc is currently what I take. I've dialed in 84mg per week (twice a week). Started out at 100mg a week but doc recommended reducing until I no longer saw the benefit. 84mg is where I landed.

Separate from that, I'm curious if hcg taken alone produces a similar testosterone multiplier level to the testc 10x estimated multiplier?

Sorry if I wasn't clear....

 

[Michael Scally MD]

hCG response is so varied as to be unpredictable. One can get a fairly good response with 2,000 IU, but the E2 would be a concern. Here is the best paper I have found on hCG.

"The model we developed allows us to simulate arbitrary dosing schemes. The example we provide shows an informal way to obtain a maximum response while using the minimum amount of drug. The simulated testosterone levels show that to reach a target testosterone concentration of 25 nmol/liter [~720 ng/dL], a dose of 1000 IU of rhCG every other 4 days would be sufficient. A higher 2500 or 5000 IU dose would produce a slightly higher response, but the highest dose will produce a lesser response according to the model. Clearly, the predicted pattern of decreased response at high doses and the pronounced rebound effect at treatment cessation is intriguing. The extrapolation to a clinical setting certainly deserves confirmation."

Gries JM, Munafo A, Porchet HC, Verotta D. Down-regulation models and modeling of testosterone production induced by recombinant human choriogonadotropin. J Pharmacol Exp Ther 1999;289(1):371-7. http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/content/289/1/371.full

 

[morris00123]

Would just a few IU's of HCG(4 or 5) everyday do anything for you? I am coming off a 500mg a week TC cycle. When should HCG be administered and would a low dose like that everyday for a few weeks? Input?

 

[Michael Scally MD]

Would just a few IU's of HCG(4 or 5) everyday do anything for you? I am coming off a 500mg a week TC cycle. When should HCG be administered and would a low dose like that everyday for a few weeks? Input?

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Other than waste money and shoot you full of holes, nothing.

 

[morris00123]

So what would be a normal dosing schedule for hcg for pct?