HGH and IGF-1 levels

[DragoT]

If I am not mistaken, this was discussed while ago. While true somatocrinin (GHRH) for example could offset the effect of exogenous GH on natural production, how much "pushing the limits" is "too much"?

 

[janoshik]

I went digging for a source for this info... But I was delayed by finding a ton of evidence of you falsifying lab results...

Are you looking for this sort of data, or real data?

Cool. Can you please send me an example of a falsified report with my signature?

That should be among the ton of evidence you had mentioned.

Or you could go back to being a useless piece of trash.

Exogenous growth hormone inhibits growth hormone-releasing factor-induced growth hormone secretion in normal men.

mands

Thanks.

You are mistaking shutdown and suppression.

 

[Wunderpus]

Cool. Can you please send me an example of a falsified report with my signature?

That should be among the ton of evidence you had mentioned.

Or you could go back to being a useless piece of trash.


Thanks.

You are mistaking shutdown and suppression.

Yeah, I can:

Jano "The ultimate Con-man and Liar?" thread...You be the judge

You said you tested GH from Mands, yet Mands received that GH in the mail when it bounced back to him.... Hmmm... Then, MAGICALLY your "girlfriend" replaced the vial you "tested" (even magically reassembling it in the bandaid it was wrapped in), brought it to customs, and it was sent back to Mands? LOL.

"janoActive Member
I tested #17 three times:

5.2mg was the average result.

A vial from your kit was 5.27mg

So it seems that you consistently get lower results than me and I am very confident in my results."



You can call me what you want, Jano... "Useless trash" is far from offensive to me, especially from a hypocrite like yourself. You don't see me profiting off of lies to my fellow members and almost CERTAINLY being paid off by shit sources to falsify reports.

I guess that would make you trash, too.

 

[mands]

Cool. Can you please send me an example of a falsified report with my signature?

That should be among the ton of evidence you had mentioned.

Or you could go back to being a useless piece of trash.


Thanks.

You are mistaking shutdown and suppression.

And you know I don't have that report signed because is was never done.

Significantly inhibited/suppressed(stoppage or reduction of a discharge or secretion). So, basically a non permanent shutdown of any natural GH secretion IMO.

mands

 

[janoshik]

yadda yadda too dumb to comprehend questions asked yadda yadda calling TP paying me off yadda yadda calling TP a shitty source yadda yadda mentioning a test report which was never seen by nobody again

By useless trash I did not mean to offend you.
Merely point out you are bringing nothing to the discussion.

Regarding the rest - go cry me a river.

And you know I don't have that report signed because is was never done.

Significantly inhibited/suppressed(stoppage or reduction of a discharge or secretion). So, basically a non permanent shutdown of any natural GH secretion IMO.

mands

Yes, I am well aware of that Really want to clutter this thread as well?

In that statement you are correct - however I think that you are misinterpreting that.

The suppression is dose and time dependent.

Therefore, I disagree with you in that a low dose of HGH holds barely any benefit.


To provide an example - if a person has natural production equivalent of 2ius a night and supplements 2 ius in the morning... the resulting equivalent won't be 2 ius worth of hgh, but rather something very close to 4.

A rather crude example, but I think a necessary one to make clear what I mean.

Do we understand each other now?

 

[Wunderpus]

By useless trash I did not mean to offend you.
Merely point out you are bringing nothing to the discussion.

Regarding the rest - go cry me a river.


Yes, I am well aware of that Really want to clutter this thread as well?

In that statement you are correct - however I think that you are misinterpreting that.

The suppression is dose and time dependent.

Therefore, I disagree with you in that a low dose of HGH holds barely any benefit.


To provide an example - if a person has natural production equivalent of 2ius a night and supplements 2 ius in the morning... the resulting equivalent won't be 2 ius worth of hgh, but rather something very close to 4.

A rather crude example, but I think a necessary one to make clear what I mean.

Do we understand each other now?

The fact you don't believe "useless trash" could be perceived as offensive just about sums up your very limited understanding of the English language. Maybe this was the route of the confusion entirely with Mands and yourself? Maybe you believed, wholeheartedly, that Mands wanted you to falsify reports like you most likely do for shady UGLs/sources on other boards?

It is funny to me that you believe I provide nothing to the conversation. As you have ONLY provided illiterate junk and lies in almost all of your posts, to one degree or another. While it is true, it provides little to the actual topic of discussion in this thread, it provides value in that there ought to be a constant reminder to all members to distrust your every word. You are a branded liar, it's that simple.

Comprehension is a clear issue here....

 

[mands]

In that statement you are correct - however I think that you are misinterpreting that.

The suppression is dose and time dependent.

Therefore, I disagree with you in that a low dose of HGH holds barely any benefit.


To provide an example - if a person has natural production equivalent of 2ius a night and supplements 2 ius in the morning... the resulting equivalent won't be 2 ius worth of hgh, but rather something very close to 4.

A rather crude example, but I think a necessary one to make clear what I mean.

Do we understand each other now?

That will not happen. Please show me your reference on that.

If he the OP shoots his GH in the morning his pulses at night will be insignificant and minimal at best. He will not pulse the same amount at night as he does while free of exogenous GH.

The only benefit supplementimg 2 iu’s is perhaps you might have a bit more lipolysis effect. How much I don’t know. Probably depends on the user.

In turn save your money or run at least 4 iu’s a day.

2 iu’s is a replacement dose for old guys like me.

mands

 

[janoshik]

The fact you don't believe "useless trash" could be perceived as offensive

Pretty sensitive, aren't we?

That will not happen. Please show me your reference on that.

If he the OP shoots his GH in the morning his pulses at night will be insignificant and minimal at best. He will not pulse the same amount at night as he does while free of exogenous GH.

The only benefit supplementimg 2 iu’s is perhaps you might have a bit more lipolysis effect. How much I don’t know. Probably depends on the user.

In turn save your money or run at least 4 iu’s a day.

2 iu’s is a replacement dose for old guys like me.

mands

I'm looking for some, mands, but there's not really much data on that.
Even your study was from eighties and with 192aa hgh.

Before then the only reference I got can by my own and my friends' anecdocals, which might not be sufficient for you. And a bit of logic as far as negative feedback loops go.

However me and my German friend, we're not really old guys, and yet there's clear benefit of running as low as 1 IU. Not as obvious as running higher doses, but still noticeable.

Along with the bloods.

A guy mid twenties on 1IU shouldn't, by your logic, experience any rise in IGF levels.

 

[Wunderpus]

Pretty sensitive, aren't we?



I'm looking for some, mands, but there's not really much data on that.
Even your study was from eighties and with 192aa hgh.

Before then the only reference I got can by my own and my friends' anecdocals, which might not be sufficient for you. And a bit of logic as far as negative feedback loops go.

However me and my German friend, we're not really old guys, and yet there's clear benefit of running as low as 1 IU. Not as obvious as running higher doses, but still noticeable.

Along with the bloods.

A guy mid twenties on 1IU shouldn't, by your logic, experience any rise in IGF levels.

No, you're just fucking stupid and don't realize how SOME people could be offended by that. I don't think you have the mental capacity to come up with something that would offend me, honestly.

 

[janoshik]

No, you're just fucking stupid and don't realize how SOME people could be offended by that. I don't think you have the mental capacity to come up with something that would offend me, honestly.

You seem rather upset, though.

 

[Wunderpus]

You seem rather upset, though.

Not at your comment... I'm upset that you still have the nerve to post on this board when you tried to pull a hoax over a respected member (friend of mine, as well), and the community as a whole. You were caught red handed as a liar, and should be branded as such. The actual contents of your comments are relatively unimportant, it's the fact you continue to show up that irritates me.

 

[Just Fish]

Not at your comment... I'm upset that you still have the nerve to post on this board when you tried to pull a hoax over a respected member (friend of mine, as well), and the community as a whole. You were caught red handed as a liar, and should be branded as such. The actual contents of your comments are relatively unimportant, it's the fact you continue to show up that irritates me.

I've read a lot of his posts. He has been contributing here

 

[Wunderpus]

I've read a lot of his posts. He has been contributing here

You appreciate "contributions" from a proven liar/scammer who tried to pull one over on our community and specifically a trusted member? Hmm, if yes, I don't understand.

 

[Just Fish]

You appreciate "contributions" from a proven liar/scammer who tried to pull one over on our community and specifically a trusted member? Hmm, if yes, I don't understand.

He has posted some good info. I believe in forgiveness. It looks like @mands has even let it go. I've seen some informative posts between them 2

 

[Wunderpus]

He has posted some good info. I believe in forgiveness. It looks like @mands has even let it go. I've seen some informative posts between them 2

Well, I guess I don't forgive these sorts of things... Especially not until the accused admits guilt when ALL facts point towards obvious guilt... He dodges the questions and refuses to actually admit he lied. Until then, he is the lowest of the low to me.

 

[janoshik]

He has posted some good info. I believe in forgiveness. It looks like @mands has even let it go. I've seen some informative posts between them 2

Thank you, it is much appreciated.

Well, I guess I don't forgive these sorts of things... Especially not until the accused admits guilt when ALL facts point towards obvious guilt... He dodges the questions and refuses to actually admit he lied. Until then, he is the lowest of the low to me.

I show respect and manners where respect and manners are shown.

 

[Wunderpus]

Thank you, it is much appreciated.


I show respect and manners where respect and manners are shown.

Yeah yeah, we get it. I'm so out of line for disrespecting your dishonesty, how ridiculous am I!? Gosh, I'm so sorry Jano... Especially since I was nothing but respectful to you until you lied.

Say it here, did you lie to Mands, or not? Until you answer this with a simple YES or NO there is no further need for discussion.

 

[mands]

Pretty sensitive, aren't we?

1. I'm looking for some, mands, but there's not really much data on that.
Even your study was from eighties and with 192aa hgh.

2. Before then the only reference I got can by my own and my friends' anecdocals, which might not be sufficient for you. And a bit of logic as far as negative feedback loops go.

However me and my German friend, we're not really old guys, and yet there's clear benefit of running as low as 1 IU. Not as obvious as running higher doses, but still noticeable.

3. Along with the bloods.

4. A guy mid twenties on 1IU shouldn't, by your logic, experience any rise in IGF levels.

I have numbered these so that they are easier to follow.

1. Absolutely not was the study I posted done with 192 aa hgh. Please point me in the right direction where it states that.

2. You are correct that's not sufficient. What logic? How is your eyes/studies does the negative feedback loop work with the pituitary regarding GH?

3. I would like to see them. Baseline and then on 1 iu.

4. Depending on what his baseline IGF-1 levels are.

He has posted some good info. I believe in forgiveness. It looks like @mands has even let it go. I've seen some informative posts between them 2

I would not say I have let it go. He lied and messed up. I have had conversations with him civilly because he gave me his word that he would not post and solicit his services on meso but try and contribute.

He had done that until recently. So, there is another lie in itself. You of all people @Just Fish I would've never thought in a million years you would come to defend someone like that. Pretty disappointing to say the least. In your defense though @jano and I have shared informative posts since the incident.

@Wunderpus sees the big picture and does not like what happened to me and others. He's as real as it gets and isn't wrong much when it comes to character and sniffing out bullshit.

mands

 

[janoshik]

Yeah yeah, we get it. I'm so out of line for disrespecting your dishonesty, how ridiculous am I!? Gosh, I'm so sorry Jano... Especially since I was nothing but respectful to you until you lied.

Say it here, did you lie to Mands, or not? Until you answer this with a simple YES or NO there is no further need for discussion.

No, you are being an obnoxious pain in the ass by needlessly shitting up another thread with a completely unrelated topic. Don't try to make it look otherwise.

You say there is no need for discussion and yet you do an awful lot of talking.

Yes, I did indeed provide mands with false information at a point.

 

[Wunderpus]

Yes, I did indeed provide mands with false information at a point.