HGH Bloat

[Dr JIM]

Also muscle waisting from AIDS

Doctors are allowed to CAUTIOUSLY use variety of meds as "off label" therapy for a number of ailments, especially in those patients who's options are limited.

GH is no exception esp when baseline hormonal levels are reduced which iI suspect is the case in those conditions you mentioned.

The difference between the benefits of therapeutic supplementation and that of PEDs is often lost on forums, where members (or "admin" on PED sales sites) extrapolate even preliminary therapeutic data to justify the unproven "benefits" of said compounds. Of course thats why GH is ONLY approved for below normal IGF/GH conditions.

So to that end exclusive of how you "feel" when running GH, I'd like to review the evidence GH, especially in supra-physiological dosages, promotes "healing" in humans with NORMAL IGF levels.

Oh and if you ever get chance to feel the facial skin texture of those who have used GH on a chronic basis, do so bc the results are NOT what any "model" is after, bc its taught and has a texture of thickened rubber!

Good luck

 

[Evom1]

Doctors are allowed to CAUTIOUSLY use variety of meds as "off label" therapy for a number of ailments, especially in those patients who's options are limited.

GH is no exception esp when baseline hormonal levels are reduced which iI suspect is the case in those conditions you mentioned.

The difference between the benefits of therapeutic supplementation and that of PEDs is often lost on forums, where members (or "admin" on PED sales sites) extrapolate even preliminary therapeutic data to justify the unproven "benefits" of said compounds. Of course thats why GH is ONLY approved for below normal IGF/GH conditions.

So to that end exclusive of how you "feel" when running GH, I'd like to review the evidence GH, especially in supra-physiological dosages, promotes "healing" in humans with NORMAL IGF levels.

Oh and if you ever get chance to feel the facial skin texture of those who have used GH on a chronic basis, do so bc the results are NOT what any "model" is after, bc its taught and has a texture of thickened rubber!

Good luck

Almost sounds like youre saying there isn't any formal study linking gh to aiding someone with already normal hormone levels... Build muscle or lose fat. Is this correct?

 

[CTipp22]

Doctors are allowed to CAUTIOUSLY use variety of meds as "off label" therapy for a number of ailments, especially in those patients who's options are limited.

GH is no exception esp when baseline hormonal levels are reduced which iI suspect is the case in those conditions you mentioned.

The difference between the benefits of therapeutic supplementation and that of PEDs is often lost on forums, where members (or "admin" on PED sales sites) extrapolate even preliminary therapeutic data to justify the unproven "benefits" of said compounds. Of course thats why GH is ONLY approved for below normal IGF/GH conditions.

So to that end exclusive of how you "feel" when running GH, I'd like to review the evidence GH, especially in supra-physiological dosages, promotes "healing" in humans with NORMAL IGF levels.

Oh and if you ever get chance to feel the facial skin texture of those who have used GH on a chronic basis, do so bc the results are NOT what any "model" is after, bc its taught and has a texture of thickened rubber!

Good luck

I know dudes that have gotten super huge using it with test. Many bodybuilders do.

 

[Dr JIM]

I know dudes that have gotten super huge using it with test. Many bodybuilders do.

And what does that have to do w healing or hair growth ?

 

[Dr JIM]

Almost sounds like youre saying there isn't any formal study linking gh to aiding someone with already normal hormone levels... Build muscle or lose fat. Is this correct?

Any study?

I do know how difficult it is to obtain IRB approval involving the use of ANY non investigational drug in NORMAL people, or in patients wo a specific medical condition deemed worthy of treatment.

What would be the objective of such a study exclusive of use as a PED!.

 

[Evom1]

Any study?

I do know how difficult it is to obtain IRB approval involving the use of ANY non investigational drug in NORMAL people, or in patients wo a specific medical condition deemed worthy of treatment.

What would be the objective of such a study exclusive of use as a PED!.

Understandable. I was just curious if anyone actually conducted some sort of group study on the effects it had on muscle growth

 

[Dr JIM]

I know dudes that have gotten super huge using it with test. Many bodybuilders do.

But what you obviously don't know is their diet, exercise routine, or the specifics of the other PEDS pros are running.

 

[Dr JIM]

Understandable. I was just curious if anyone actually conducted some sort of group study on the effects it had on muscle growth

After searching Med Line or Google scholar let me know if you find one.

The use of GH as a muscle builder or anabolic agent in Body Builders or Normal people --- seriously ?

 

[JC456]

Isn't fat loss pretty established as well as causing more cellular activity causing muscular growth? I don't need help knowing what it does it's more the dosage to get what I want. Whenever I take gh I feel I heal super fast so that's pretty established as well. My question is what igf is healthy and beneficial for performanc


well I know It makes you heal faster and drs prescribe it for severe burns to help aid healing as well as children with growth issues.

Just to be precise... Increased lipolysis yes under certain conditions, but that doesn't always translate into fat loss.

 

[Thaistick]

I have seen the same thickened skin on people who use high amounts of HGH chronically. "I think" that using moderate amounts of HGH is beneficial for so-called anti-aging when it comes to skin. I don't try for igf numbers over 300 myself, it's cheaper a day safer.

 

[CTipp22]

well instead of guessing what the so called benefits are from GH does anyone know the for sure proven results/effects?

 

[Dr JIM]

Medical studies are conducted to aid those with DISEASES and the notion supra-physiologic doses of GH, or any other PED, would be given to normal people in the absence of some ailment worthy of treatment or "study", seems to be lost on PED forums.

Of course perhaps another reason supra-physiologic GH dosing has not been studied in normal folk per se, a condition called Acromegaly or Giganticism provides more than enough data about what some may be risking for "extra muscle", thru the use of supplemental GH.

But one thing is "known for sure", the quest of those who want to be "big" thru artificial (as in PEDS) means has consequences and adverse effects that far exceed a "natural" change in lifestyle.

 

[CTipp22]

Medical studies are conducted to aid those with DISEASES and the notion supra-physiologic doses of GH, or any other PED, would be given to normal people in the absence of some ailment worthy of treatment or "study", seems to be lost on PED forums.

But one thing is "known for sure", the quest of those who want to be "big" thru artificial (as in PEDS) means has consequences and adverse effects that far exceed a change in lifestyle wh

at what amount a day is unhealthy and at what igf level?

 

[Dr JIM]

at what amount a day is unhealthy and at what igf level?

Oh yes the million dollar question on every PED users hit list.

And the answer is SIMPLE stop playing with your hormones unless you're willing to accept the consequences as a WELL INFORMED and EDUCATED user!

 

[CTipp22]

Oh yes the million dollar question on every PED users hit list.

And the answer is SIMPLE stop playing with your hormones unless you're willing to accept the consequences as a WELL INFORMED and EDUCATED user!

well from my trt doctor they do HGH and get people around 350 igf with omnitrope. Thought you may know something useful in regards to GETTING educated.

 

[Jeffg353]

After searching Med Line or Google scholar let me know if you find one.

The use of GH as a muscle builder or anabolic agent in Body Builders or Normal people --- seriously ?

It is difficult to undertake such GH administration studies to demonstrate reliably whether GH increases muscle bulk and strength in the athletic population for ethical and legal reasons.

Athletes abuse GH in combination with anabolic steroids and other performance enhancing substances, in varying concentrations during differing training and dietary regimens. Any change in performance could result from the synergistic action of these different interventions. These complex regimens are impossible to replicate in a single research trial,

The effects of growth hormone on body composition and physical performance in recreational athletes: a randomized trial. - PubMed - NCBI

Physical effects of short-term recombinant human growth hormone administration in abstinent steroid dependency. - PubMed - NCBI

Body composition response to exogenous GH during training in highly conditioned adults. - PubMed - NCBI

Growth hormone acutely stimulates forearm muscle protein synthesis in normal humans. - PubMed - NCBI

Growth hormone acutely stimulates skeletal muscle but not whole-body protein synthesis in humans. - PubMed - NCBI

Growth hormone and connective tissue in exercise. - PubMed - NCBI

Effect of growth hormone and resistance exercise on muscle growth in young men. - PubMed - NCBI

Effect of growth hormone treatment on hormonal parameters, body composition and strength in athletes. - PubMed - NCBI


Growth hormone effects on metabolism, body composition, muscle mass, and strength. - PubMed - NCBI

May not be exactly what your looking for but can possibly provide some insight into some of the common misconceptions brought up

 

[CTipp22]

It is difficult to undertake such GH administration studies to demonstrate reliably whether GH increases muscle bulk and strength in the athletic population for ethical and legal reasons.

Athletes abuse GH in combination with anabolic steroids and other performance enhancing substances, in varying concentrations during differing training and dietary regimens. Any change in performance could result from the synergistic action of these different interventions. These complex regimens are impossible to replicate in a single research trial,

The effects of growth hormone on body composition and physical performance in recreational athletes: a randomized trial. - PubMed - NCBI

Physical effects of short-term recombinant human growth hormone administration in abstinent steroid dependency. - PubMed - NCBI

Body composition response to exogenous GH during training in highly conditioned adults. - PubMed - NCBI

Growth hormone acutely stimulates forearm muscle protein synthesis in normal humans. - PubMed - NCBI

Growth hormone acutely stimulates skeletal muscle but not whole-body protein synthesis in humans. - PubMed - NCBI

Growth hormone and connective tissue in exercise. - PubMed - NCBI

Effect of growth hormone and resistance exercise on muscle growth in young men. - PubMed - NCBI

Effect of growth hormone treatment on hormonal parameters, body composition and strength in athletes. - PubMed - NCBI


Growth hormone effects on metabolism, body composition, muscle mass, and strength. - PubMed - NCBI

May not be exactly what your looking for but can possibly provide some insight into some of the common misconceptions brought up

Thanks man! Appreciate the info and those links!

 

[CTipp22]

I'm taking the same grey tops (I assume) at 5iu per day, from platinum direct, and throw some dandelion root into my daily amino drink. I went a few days without it, and had noticeable difference in bloat, specifically my face. Don't get it too much elsewhere.

Do you wait 1 or 2 hours to eat after a shot?

 

[Marcus]

Do you wait 1 or 2 hours to eat after a shot?

I am utilizing for fat loss more than anything so I don't eat for at least 1 hour before shot, 2 hours whenever possible. And I don't eat for a minimum of 2 hours after shot, try for 2.5-3

 

[CTipp22]

I am utilizing for fat loss more than anything so I don't eat for at least 1 hour before shot, 2 hours whenever possible. And I don't eat for a minimum of 2 hours after shot, try for 2.5-3

Ok cool yeah I've been doing 2 hours but sometimes I want that coffee so bad lol