how many of you are honest with your doctor about your aas usage?

[VAGeo87]

My two cents: I had a recent physical, new insurance, new doctor (recommended to me as a good guy). Hadn’t had a physical in some years (dumb I know). My wife strongly emphasized that she wanted me to to tell the doc about my Test usage.

So I told him verbally that I was on low dose Test (said 200mg per week), instead of on the written history form. I’m 31 years old. His reaction was ‘I really recommend you discontinue that. Why do you take it?’ I gave some BS about I had a lot of the symptoms of low T, I gave it a try, and feel much better.

He wrote some normal blood labs, plus thyroid, and Test levels. Said ‘let’s see where your levels are at and we’ll go from there. I really think it’s not necessary for you. Could be why your BP is high. I do prescribe Test to patients, though none of them are as young as you’ Labs to come in the next week, so we’ll see. But he didn’t freak out, just seemed surprised and uncomfortable talking about the subject.

 

[jackmeoff1]

Sounds right however i left one doctor that started me on Trt and went to another doctor. When i went in for my first visit and was giving background to the nurse she told me I was on Testosterone. I am not sure I understand how this works. You say because of hippa this info does not get passed on. How did the new nurse know? Or did I misunderstand what you were saying?

You have to sign over medical records. Either you did that or on the initial paperwork you indication that you were prescribed testosterone

 

[Infidel141]

You asked...I answered

Seems like I asked exactly what the title says, also about monitoring....so no you didn't answer you just spewed off some shit that didn't answer my question at all. Thanks for the very useful information you have blessed me with though

Yep go ahead and tell your doc and watch them put it on your medical record...that'll fuck you real nice when it comes to insurance and all that

 

[johnathen]

for the record,
I'm still new here but used a few cycles over the years. after a recent injury and a year our of most things I've recently got back into training and with that looking at gear.. namely hgh first then more.
I went to my local doctor to get some tests done i.e... blood work and am waiting the returns sometime this week.
I let my doctor know I'll be using HGH and test. He advised against it, then asked what amounts and explained... once again advised against it but said he safe.. nothing more ...
So my guess is perhaps he could report me but here in Canada there's a confidentially clause so unless I'm selling him or giving him supplies there's no issue.

The following tests I asked for after some reading online and chatting with experienced members. My doctor got me a wellness type tests and a number of the ones below I've listed.

testosterone, total
testosterone, bioavailable
testosterone, free
estradiol (sensitive assay)
steroid Hormone Binding Globulin
follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH)
luteinizing Hormone (LH)
dihydrotestosterone (DHT)
complete Blood Count (CBC)
prosPaneSpecific Antigen (PSA)
blood Chemistry Panel
metabolic Panel

 

[Dr JIM]

for the record,
I'm still new here but used a few cycles over the years. after a recent injury and a year our of most things I've recently got back into training and with that looking at gear.. namely hgh first then more.
I went to my local doctor to get some tests done i.e... blood work and am waiting the returns sometime this week.
I let my doctor know I'll be using HGH and test. He advised against it, then asked what amounts and explained... once again advised against it but said he safe.. nothing more ...
So my guess is perhaps he could report me but here in Canada there's a confidentially clause so unless I'm selling him or giving him supplies there's no issue.

The following tests I asked for after some reading online and chatting with experienced members. My doctor got me a wellness type tests and a number of the ones below I've listed.

testosterone, total
testosterone, bioavailable
testosterone, free
estradiol (sensitive assay)
steroid Hormone Binding Globulin
follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH)
luteinizing Hormone (LH)
dihydrotestosterone (DHT)
complete Blood Count (CBC)
prosPaneSpecific Antigen (PSA)
blood Chemistry Panel
metabolic Panel

I can only hope your Doc is willing to help you interpret the results.

 

[Demondosage]

Not only am I honest with him, I talk to him about all sorts of shit he takes notes on to study , lol

 

[GDL]

I can only hope your Doc is willing to help you interpret the results.

Most doctors in Canada, at least the ones I have dealt with are pretty good. Everytime we go to them they get paid, we don’t pay so if he or she wants to see me 3 times, I m fine with that.

I find the normally have no issue with giving bloodwork, because you go back and they get paid again.

 

[johnathen]

not sure what he will say about the results however I know he will give them to me (or copy/ies)
I'll then ask him to break them down then post the its on meso and hopefully someone can let me know.
after that all can do is move forward, no one will ever have the perfect outcome

 

[Dr JIM]

not sure what he will say about the results however I know he will give them to me (or copy/ies)
I'll then ask him to break them down then post the its on meso and hopefully someone can let me know.
after that all can do is move forward, no one will ever have the perfect outcome

It's not a matter of perfection but rather what to do with the results once obtained bc MANY on PED forums lack the fund of knowledge required to interpret lab results from a therapeutic perspective.

And the latter is a common occurrence in which members "treat" absolute values or lab ranges not realizing the importance of clinical correlation.

 

[Devil3]

Oh and there are some very good reasons to let your doc know in genetic terms you are using PEDs, first and foremost of which is;

So a HCP will not run unecessary tests to evaluate AAS related complications like

Changes in LFTs
“””. in Hgb

And I could go on and on —- hey you ”need” a liver biopsy

I have a question after reading this thread. I'm trying to read between the lines but you're proving too many points lol. I appreciate your input and I really just want to know,

AAS use is in my medical records. Has since I was 24.

Are you saying it won't make getting insurance " impossible " but will increase premiums in such a way like smoking will? I won't get refused, but I'll just pay more. Sound about right?

And if I were to apply for it, it's best I get off all AAS to avoid complications with tests, correct?

From your responses you really don't seem too concerned about somebody telling their doc they have used AAS! Thanks

 

[Dr JIM]

^^^^

SMOKING is somewhat different bc all but "social smokers" develop WELL ESTABLISHED complications. (Its' also for this reason insurance carriers ask questions about the duration and number of pack per day smoked)

AAS are better likened to ETOH bc the complications are on the low side of the insurance spectrum. And unlike smoking it's difficult, from an evidence based perspective, to correlate complications the amount consumed on an individual basis

In general health insurers premiums are based upon the complications of a particular lifestyle rather than the lifestyle itself.

Otherwise carriers would be allowed to discriminate based upon relative factors of risk such as RACE, SEX, SEXUAL PREFERENCE, CREED, FAMILY MEDICAL HISTORY etc and obviously that's forbidden by law.

So while many seem to believe an AAS admission per se can increase health insurance rates, Ive yet to see anything to substantiate this assertion and I deal with insurance companies EVERY DAY, and I've NEVER been asked does this gal or dude use AAS!

 

[Dr JIM]

Curious which single factor is primarily responsible for an INDIVIDUALS health insurance rate? (based upon CBO data)

A) Age
B) Sex
C) Body Mass Index
D) Smoking history
E) Occupation

Jim

 

[Devil3]

^^^^

SMOKING is somewhat different bc all but "social smokers" develop WELL ESTABLISHED complications. (Its' also for this reason insurance carriers ask questions about the duration and number of pack per day smoked)

AAS are better likened to ETOH bc the complications are on the low side of the insurance spectrum. And unlike smoking it's difficult, from an evidence based perspective, to correlate complications the amount consumed on an individual basis

In general health insurers premiums are based upon the complications of a particular lifestyle rather than the lifestyle itself.

Otherwise carriers would be allowed to discriminate based upon relative factors of risk such as RACE, SEX, SEXUAL PREFERENCE, CREED, FAMILY MEDICAL HISTORY etc and obviously that's forbidden by law.

So while many seem to believe an AAS admission per se can increase health insurance rates, Ive yet to see anything to substantiate this assertion and I deal with insurance companies EVERY DAY, and I've NEVER been asked does this gal or dude use AAS!

I'm from Canada. I was told some big companies like Sunlife Financial and Manulife ask in the application form if you use or have used AAS.

If you say no and they see your records say you have you're disqualified from the application and denied.

Perhaps they're just asking to know rather to deny you.

 

[Devil3]

Curious which single factor is primarily responsible for an INDIVIDUALS health insurance rate? (based upon CBO data)

A) Age
B) Sex
C) Body Mass Index
D) Smoking history
E) Occupation

Jim

Honestly..this is coming from somebody who has zero knowledge on how insurance works...I would say what you do with your life determines your liability. Occupation and body mass index? ( which I think is BS )

 

[Dr JIM]

Finally unknown to many one of the "benefits" of Obamacare is the "need to know" restrictions, real or perceived, placed upon insurance carriers. While exclusions exist, in plain English, those questions that effect provider reimbursement are considered reasonable and/or permissible while the remainder is NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS!

 

[Dr JIM]

Honestly..this is coming from somebody who has zero knowledge on how insurance works...I would say what you do with your life determines your liability. Occupation and body mass index? ( which I think is BS )

AGE

 

[Devil3]

AGE

Is it better to get life insurance at a younger age?

 

[Dr JIM]

Is it better to get life insurance at a younger age?

While it certainly is cheaper, that doesn't necessarily mean its "better"?

 

[Devil3]

While it certainly is cheaper, that doesn't necessarily mean its "better"?

Appreciate the insight Doc. Thank you

 

[Maneuvers]

I have a primary physician and then a hormone doctor that I pay for with my HSA. Primary knows I'm on TRT and I discuss freely with my hormone doc.