HPLC/MS Analysis on Various Substances *RESULTS*

[Burrr]

Capt, is the mg/ml amounts posted corrected for being diluted? Can we take those numbers at face value? Have you run any of this stuff and/or gotten bloods done on it?

 

[Capt Forest]

Yes i have used the exemastane, caber, wp test prop, var from legend both batches, var from swole, the t3/t4 i am on now from mjr, i have used max pep t3, and legend clomid i have also used.

The other two testosterone samples were sent into me. I do not know what the brand is on them.

I also have not used psl var yet.

 

[romaleos]

Capt, is the mg/ml amounts posted corrected for being diluted? Can we take those numbers at face value? Have you run any of this stuff and/or gotten bloods done on it?

I was sample 8. My bloods at 200mg EOD, 3 weeks in, taken 24hr after last pin came out to 3100 ng/dl. Now Capt's results say I was dosing only 20mg EOD resulting in 44x effect

Like I said, it confuses more than answers.

 

[barbelle]

My bet is on human error from ol' professor scientist. 25mg/ml of Enth and 10mg/ml of Prop, it's not hard to guess what went wrong.

Then again, the reverse error does not sound *that* unlikely from an ugl. But of course, they have a lot more to lose so probably are more careful.

 

[SuperJew]

I totally overlooked the absence of an extra 0. That may very well be the issue here, barbelle. Even douche bag sources typically dose testosterone correctly and then underdose more expensive compounds like tren and masteron.

 

[SuperJew]

Don't get me wrong, it's a VERY valuable service. These Labmax tests are an ok tool, but in the end, they really tell you very little. What everyone really wants to know is how pure their powder is, or how many mgs/ml the test enanthate 250 contains.

 

[Marcus]

I was sample 8. My bloods at 200mg EOD, 3 weeks in, taken 24hr after last pin came out to 3100 ng/dl. Now Capt's results say I was dosing only 20mg EOD resulting in 44x effect

Like I said, it confuses more than answers.

Romaleos, was the sample you sent from the exact same vial you had been pinning when bloods were drawn or a different vial that was within the same order? Or how did it work out if you don't mind explaining...

 

[Kinikuman]

I've just re-read these and see that all of your testosterone samples were almost non existent. Now, I'm not familiar with any of the labs you listed, but why would anyone dose testosterone enanthate at 25mgs/ml or test prop at 10mgs/ml? The powder is cheap as it is and the markup for a UGL is HUGE.

I'm making no accusations, but is it possible your friend is a student and perhaps not performing the tests accurately?

You underestimate the level of sheer greed possessed by many a UGL operator, my friend. Dosing at 1/10th means 10x volume and 10x profit.... Hard to resist.

 

[barbelle]

1/10 dosed gear = somewhat unlikely.

1/10 reading error = pretty likely.

 

[Oregongearhead]

You underestimate the level of sheer greed possessed by many a UGL operator, my friend. Dosing at 1/10th means 10x volume and 10x profit.... Hard to resist.

It also means 1/10th of the blood levels , so scammers get away with it for 4 to 6 weeks until someone gets bloodwork . You can sell alot of gear in 4 to 6 weeks....

 

[rpbb]

It also means 1/10th of the blood levels , so scammers get away with it for 4 to 6 weeks until someone gets bloodwork . You can sell alot of gear in 4 to 6 weeks....

however, you'll lose all your business, why set up an operation to run for 2 months. with startup costs, I doubt you'd make any money

 

[Oregongearhead]

however, you'll lose all your business, why set up an operation to run for 2 months. with startup costs, I doubt you'd make any money

I see it here and on other forums all the time . Fly-by-Night operations selling bunk, and yes they can make alot of $$$ in 4-6 weeks , they then set-up shop in another forum with another new name ....

 

[rpbb]

I see it here all the time . Fly-by-Night operations selling bunk, and yes they can make alot of $$$ in 4-6 weeks , they then set-up shop in another forum with another new name ....

yeah, I see it too, I tend to only order from people who have been around for awhile. Than I look at the bloodwork you guys post, and than see how they deal with issues. ie, I would have never ordered from astro, he was flakey from the beginning. it gives no guarantees whatsoever, but less chance of being a shyster. some people just need to use a little common sense

 

[Oregongearhead]

I see it here and on other forums all the time . Fly-by-Night operations selling bunk, and yes they can make alot of $$$ in 4-6 weeks , they then set-up shop in another forum with another new name ....

And to show how gullible guys get , even when its proven the source is bunk , orders keep coming in , sometimes for months until the Meso Mulisha runs them off....

 

[romaleos]

Romaleos, was the sample you sent from the exact same vial you had been pinning when bloods were drawn or a different vial that was within the same order? Or how did it work out if you don't mind explaining...

It was an unopened vial from the same batch. I'm very happy with my gains. All this testing is proving to me that there are no rules set in stone.

Bottom line, substandard gear can probably be overcome by upping the dosage and smart training and nutrition. But it doesn't work in the opposite direction in you had pharm grade fiyah.

 

[romaleos]

I'm going to guess lab error when it comes to these results. The stuff I sent in was top shelf reserve grade from a very respected private. But then again UGL is UGL. It is what it is.

 

[Marcus]

It was an unopened vial from the same batch. I'm very happy with my gains. All this testing is proving to me that there are no rules set in stone.

Bottom line, substandard gear can probably be overcome by upping the dosage and smart training and nutrition. But it doesn't work in the opposite direction in you had pharm grade fiyah.

Because it was a different visl from the supposed same batch, there is not actual way to equate that the sample tested was the same oil that brought you those bloods. I've had it happen where I was having great gains on a vial, switched to a new visl when that one was up (supposed same batch) and everything went down hill, I swear it was not the same raws. I'm sure you've seen it around here before too.

All I'm saying is that it's entirely possible that everything in that visl is completely different from what you were taking.

Edit: and when I drew bloods on that 2nd vial, they were shit. Nothing like I expected or like the results I was getting from the first.

 

[romaleos]

I agree.

 

[Dr JIM]

Romaleos, was the sample you sent from the exact same vial you had been pinning when bloods were drawn or a different vial that was within the same order? Or how did it work out if you don't mind explaining...

Excellent question M! I've gandered at Capt assays and they are legit IMO. (Moreover Capt has been a stand up mate ever since he joined Meso which further substantiates the results, IMO)

This very issue occurred with the HPLC results I posted and a mate running Superior AAS.

Ultimately once an objective review was conducted it was obvious the VIAL was different and the LM test was also NEGATIVE clearly supporting the HPLC results.

"Those who conduct HPLCs or LC/MS on a regular basis would only rarely make "errors" of this magnitude.

Practice makes perfect and if there is one thing I KNOW based on the HPLCS I've conducted, UGLs will try to sell anything as legit when it's in fact BUNK.

They have no morals, ethics, or guiding light EXCEPT MONEY. This is particularly true with "intro" UGLs!
Buyer beware.

 

[rpbb]

It's amazing how little attention this thread has gotten. What capt and dr Jim are doing is fantastic and I think the best thing that has ever happened to this forum. Meanwhile people are debating the for and color of labmax tests which makes no sense whatsoever. Save your money guys, and hope this testing takes off