It matters not, and I could care less about the "perception" of others, because I'd much prefer the country I call home be King rather than serf any day!
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I'd Rather Die Standing Than Live on My Knees - Charlie Hebdo Pays the Price for Free Speech
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It matters not, and I could care less about the "perception" of others, because I'd much prefer the country I call home be King rather than serf any day!
I don't think anybody has tried to "dominate" us since the revolutionary war. WW1, WW11, Korea, Vietnam, Haiti, Dominican Republic, Grenada.......unless your referring to mass immigration.
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My point exactly!
I worry about the unintended consequences (or intended, depending on your school of thought) here in the USA. Because of this "war on terror," we have lost many liberties. The Patriot Act was only the beginning. I guess the sand spreads in the wind of deception.
I thought you were Australian!
Do you have a link to how the vote broke down by demographics in Marseille's 7th sector? It would be interesting to see what percentage of Muslims voted for Ravier.
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Euro...r-right-gets-unlikely-lift-in-Muslim-quarters
"The FN isn't only capitalizing on anti-immigrant sentiment, which can often appear anti-Muslim because the two groups usually coincide in France. It’s also public disgust with mainstream parties on the right and left. Surprisingly, even many Muslims voted for the FN – not unlike Mexicans in the US who have become zealous anti-immigration advocates. Though Muslims largely voted for President François Hollande, a Socialist, in 2012, many felt deceived by his government's weak economic performance and legalization of gay marriage, which the FN condemns.
“I still can’t understand how the National Front pierced the (7th sector) where there are so many Muslims,” says Ali Timizar, a long-time leader of the Algerian community in Marseille. “It shows that neither the right nor the left has responded to the citizens of these neighborhoods.”
The mayor of the sector, Stephane Ravier, who is also one of the two new FN senators of France, says that his victory does not mean an institutionalization of of discrimination or intolerance in Marseille. “That is a fear,” he told the Monitor. “But that has been stoked by adversaries.” His message is that immigrants living in France should adopt and live by French values.
A broad appeal
But others say his victory could signify divisions. The 7th sector “should be a model of multicultural France but instead it elects the FN's Stephane Ravier as mayor,” says James Shields, an expert on France’s far right at Aston University in the United Kingdom. “It now faces a six-year period of FN local government challenging any multicultural narrative that might have gained ground in Marseille.”
Just like Britain's populist United Kingdom Independence Party (UKIP), the FN appeals to both sides of the political spectrum, from well-heeled conservatives to former leftists in post-industrial France, says Sylvain Crepon, an expert on the party. That's the main reason both are such a threat to the mainstream political establishment. A recent poll showed its leader Marine Le Pen would easily win a presidential election if one were held today."
“I still can’t understand how the National Front pierced the (7th sector) where there are so many Muslims,” says Ali Timizar, a long-time leader of the Algerian community in Marseille. “It shows that neither the right nor the left has responded to the citizens of these neighborhoods.”
The mayor of the sector, Stephane Ravier, who is also one of the two new FN senators of France, says that his victory does not mean an institutionalization of of discrimination or intolerance in Marseille. “That is a fear,” he told the Monitor. “But that has been stoked by adversaries.” His message is that immigrants living in France should adopt and live by French values.
A broad appeal
But others say his victory could signify divisions. The 7th sector “should be a model of multicultural France but instead it elects the FN's Stephane Ravier as mayor,” says James Shields, an expert on France’s far right at Aston University in the United Kingdom. “It now faces a six-year period of FN local government challenging any multicultural narrative that might have gained ground in Marseille.”
Just like Britain's populist United Kingdom Independence Party (UKIP), the FN appeals to both sides of the political spectrum, from well-heeled conservatives to former leftists in post-industrial France, says Sylvain Crepon, an expert on the party. That's the main reason both are such a threat to the mainstream political establishment. A recent poll showed its leader Marine Le Pen would easily win a presidential election if one were held today."
I didn't say it was rational and normal to discriminate against and fear all Muslims. I didn't mention discriminate at all. I said it was rational and normal to fear Islam because it's an ideology that commands its followers to slay and subjugate the unbelievers, and, unfortunately, there are more than enough followers that are slaying and subjugating unbelievers to make the fear rational and normal.
I'm not in favor of discriminating against anybody based on the actions of a few. But at the same time, taking on this problem requires that one be honest and admit that there is only one religious group that is currently slaughtering thousands of innocent men, women and children in its name and it's not Christian extremists. It is Islam.
For a whole bunch of theological reasons that I won't bore you with here, I do not believe that Islam, in its current form, is compatible with Western liberal democracy. In fact, I do not believe that Islam is capable of peacefully coexisting with any other ideology. At its very heart, Islam is a supremacist ideology.
That said, I don't know of a solution to Europe's problem - or at least one that is acceptable. My fear is that an acceptable solution doesn't exist, and that the lack of an acceptable solution will eventually lead to the implementation of an unacceptable one. And it will be bloody.
Very well said!
But can it survive the changing demographics? I don't believe it can. France's birth rate dropped below 2 children per woman last year - the rate at which population declines. Still higher than that of Italy and Germany, but it seems to be moving in the same direction as the rest of Europe. On the other hand, France's Muslim population will continue to grow. Predictions are that Muslim population growth will eventually slow too, but will it slow enough and quickly enough to save laïcité?
I admire your optimism and I hope I'm wrong and you're right. We'll meet again in ten years to see who was right.
And if the world is to have only one superpower, anyone who says they wish it was someone OTHER than the US is lying or insane.
The invasion of Vietnam should have never happened to begin with. It was a witchhunt for the imaginary boogeyman that was communism. Ho Chi Minh was no danger to the west, he never was.
I remember reading a statement from ISIS that said they were coming after Russia. ISIS is nothing more than a group of middle-eastern goat farmers who think dominating the globe is as easy as herding goats.
The US can't even rule the globe, as much as we wish we could, we cannot. The Earth can never be dominated by a single entity, not while there are billions of humans still alive.
I'd wager that Texas alone could take down ISIS single-handely if given the chance.
"There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass." -Isoroku Yamamoto
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I don't think anybody has tried to "dominate" us since the revolutionary war. WW1, WW11, Korea, Vietnam, Haiti, Dominican Republic, Grenada.......unless your referring to mass immigration.
Goodnight, for tonight
And nobody will dominate us as long as we Americans have the right to bear arms. Our citizenry is more powerful than our military branches, and our military branches are still on the citizen's side.
Muslim mayor of Rotterdam Ahmed Aboutaleb tells Islamists to 'pack your bags' and 'f**k off' on live TV
Moroccan-born Mayor of Rotterdam, Ahmed Aboutaleb, tells Islamists to pack their bags and leave.
The Muslim mayor of the Dutch city of Rotterdam has told Muslims who turn their back on freedom to "pack your bags" and "f**k off", live on television.
Ahmed Aboutaleb told NewsHour of his anger at the refusal of a number of Muslims to adapt to their new surroundings, which he said he has done after living in Holland since 1976.
"It is incomprehensible that you can turn against freedom... But if you don't like freedom, for heaven's sake pack your bags and leave," he said.
"There may be a place in the world where you can be yourself, be honest with yourself and do not go and kill innocent journalists. And if you do not like it here because humorists you do not like make a newspaper, may I then say you can f**k off.
"This is stupid, this so incomprehensible. Vanish from the Netherlands if you cannot find your place here. All those well-meaning Muslims here will now be stared at".
Over half of Rotterdam's population consists of ethnic minorities and non-native residents.
Aboutaleb is Moroccan-born and became the mayor of Rotterdam in 2008. According to Breitbart, he was initially criticised by anti-Islam parties within the Netherlands but has outlasted the stigma of his faith.
This is not the first time that he has made controversial comments about Dutch Muslims, in 2004 he said that if they did not wish to practice Dutch values they could "catch the first plane out".
Aboutaleb is not the only Dutch politician to speak out against Muslims who are perceived as being against Dutch values. Party for Freedom (PVV) leader Geert Wilders has been under police protection since 2004 for his statements on Islam.
"Anyone who expresses support for terror as a means to overthrow our constitutional democracy, as far as I'm concerned, should leave the country at once," he told the Hague last September.
"If you are waving an Islamic State [IS] flag, you are waving an exit ticket. Leave!"
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By Jack Moore
January 13, 2015 08:58 GMT
Moroccan-born Mayor of Rotterdam, Ahmed Aboutaleb, tells Islamists to pack their bags and leave.
The Muslim mayor of the Dutch city of Rotterdam has told Muslims who turn their back on freedom to "pack your bags" and "f**k off", live on television.
Ahmed Aboutaleb told NewsHour of his anger at the refusal of a number of Muslims to adapt to their new surroundings, which he said he has done after living in Holland since 1976.
"It is incomprehensible that you can turn against freedom... But if you don't like freedom, for heaven's sake pack your bags and leave," he said.
"There may be a place in the world where you can be yourself, be honest with yourself and do not go and kill innocent journalists. And if you do not like it here because humorists you do not like make a newspaper, may I then say you can f**k off.
"This is stupid, this so incomprehensible. Vanish from the Netherlands if you cannot find your place here. All those well-meaning Muslims here will now be stared at".
Over half of Rotterdam's population consists of ethnic minorities and non-native residents.
Aboutaleb is Moroccan-born and became the mayor of Rotterdam in 2008. According to Breitbart, he was initially criticised by anti-Islam parties within the Netherlands but has outlasted the stigma of his faith.
This is not the first time that he has made controversial comments about Dutch Muslims, in 2004 he said that if they did not wish to practice Dutch values they could "catch the first plane out".
Aboutaleb is not the only Dutch politician to speak out against Muslims who are perceived as being against Dutch values. Party for Freedom (PVV) leader Geert Wilders has been under police protection since 2004 for his statements on Islam.
"Anyone who expresses support for terror as a means to overthrow our constitutional democracy, as far as I'm concerned, should leave the country at once," he told the Hague last September.
"If you are waving an Islamic State [IS] flag, you are waving an exit ticket. Leave!"
Muslim mayor of Rotterdam Ahmed Aboutaleb tells Islamists to 'pack your bags' and 'f**k off' on live TV
By Jack Moore
January 13, 2015 08:58 GMT
Moroccan-born Mayor of Rotterdam, Ahmed Aboutaleb, tells Islamists to pack their bags and leave.
The Muslim mayor of the Dutch city of Rotterdam has told Muslims who turn their back on freedom to "pack your bags" and "f**k off", live on television.
Ahmed Aboutaleb told NewsHour of his anger at the refusal of a number of Muslims to adapt to their new surroundings, which he said he has done after living in Holland since 1976.
"It is incomprehensible that you can turn against freedom... But if you don't like freedom, for heaven's sake pack your bags and leave," he said.
"There may be a place in the world where you can be yourself, be honest with yourself and do not go and kill innocent journalists. And if you do not like it here because humorists you do not like make a newspaper, may I then say you can f**k off.
"This is stupid, this so incomprehensible. Vanish from the Netherlands if you cannot find your place here. All those well-meaning Muslims here will now be stared at".
Over half of Rotterdam's population consists of ethnic minorities and non-native residents.
Aboutaleb is Moroccan-born and became the mayor of Rotterdam in 2008. According to Breitbart, he was initially criticised by anti-Islam parties within the Netherlands but has outlasted the stigma of his faith.
This is not the first time that he has made controversial comments about Dutch Muslims, in 2004 he said that if they did not wish to practice Dutch values they could "catch the first plane out".
Aboutaleb is not the only Dutch politician to speak out against Muslims who are perceived as being against Dutch values. Party for Freedom (PVV) leader Geert Wilders has been under police protection since 2004 for his statements on Islam.
"Anyone who expresses support for terror as a means to overthrow our constitutional democracy, as far as I'm concerned, should leave the country at once," he told the Hague last September.
"If you are waving an Islamic State [IS] flag, you are waving an exit ticket. Leave!"
Now this is definitely one guy I can stand behind! Good for him, now we need all the muslim clerics to start spreading the same message, but that is most likely improbable.
This is just a hunch, but I'd bet a lot of the so called clerics twist the ideology of islam in favor of the extremists.
You can believe in God, or Allah, without having to practice the religion that whatever maker you choose falls into.
Scare Tactics: Michel Houellebecq Defends His Controversial New Book
http://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2015/01/02/scare-tactics-michel-houellebecq-on-his-new-book/
Hey, @kawilt and @flenser: Here's an article that will help you get your conspiracy on. LOL
The Paris Attacks and What You're Not Being Told
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Buck Rogers January 13, 2015
http://andromedanewsnetworks.com/ufos-hebdo-13/01/2015/0002351.com
"Reports that unidentified flying objects were seen over the Charlie Hebdo offices in the days leading up to last week's attack have been confirmed by the Centre national d'études spatiales. Witnesses reported seeing strange lights that hovered over the office building for several minutes each night before speeding off. This has led some in the intelligence community to speculate that the cartoonists were actually the victims of an alien abduction rather than an attack by violent Islamist extremists.
It's believed that Israel has been working on a top secret program to build space weapons with the help of the US government and technology that was discovered after an alien spacecraft crashed in Roswell, New Mexico in the 1950's, and this has led some to believe that Mossad struck a bargain of sorts with extraterrestrials to exchange the cartoonists for the meridian plagioclase crystals that are needed to build the space weapons..."
The Paris Attacks and What You're Not Being Told
by
Buck Rogers January 13, 2015
http://andromedanewsnetworks.com/ufos-hebdo-13/01/2015/0002351.com
"Reports that unidentified flying objects were seen over the Charlie Hebdo offices in the days leading up to last week's attack have been confirmed by the Centre national d'études spatiales. Witnesses reported seeing strange lights that hovered over the office building for several minutes each night before speeding off. This has led some in the intelligence community to speculate that the cartoonists were actually the victims of an alien abduction rather than an attack by violent Islamist extremists.
It's believed that Israel has been working on a top secret program to build space weapons with the help of the US government and technology that was discovered after an alien spacecraft crashed in Roswell, New Mexico in the 1950's, and this has led some to believe that Mossad struck a bargain of sorts with extraterrestrials to exchange the cartoonists for the meridian plagioclase crystals that are needed to build the space weapons..."
What, no aliens?
True, it's the devil we know. And there are ways around most of the limits it places on our liberties.
Have a look at some of the football firms across the continent. In the past they were used as a front for rights wing extremism, often reported in the media as hooliganism. They have quietened down in recent times, but moves afoot to increase the numbers
Maybe there is only one superpower nation.
This is great CBS....I often wondered where you got your inside information...Thanks for the tip.
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