If You Buy From Napsgear You’re a Legit Retarded

[Test_Subject]

You are still clueless.

And you’re uncharacteristically defensive.

1 + 1 = 2

How, precisely would one go about proving that the reviews and pictures are fake? I doubt that he’s leaving EXIF data that says “taken from Napsgear’s iPhone” on his pictures…

 

[cochino]

Your best bet is to put him on ignore and let him waste his time posting his made up reviews.

If someone new comes along and asks about him, there's a number of threads that can be linked to to help them make a decision for themselves.

Holding the hands of new users and bubble wrapping the forum for them so that they don't fall down and get an ouchie isn't harm reduction. It's over protective forum policing.

Remember, these are grown adults that come here looking for PEDs. They have the same opportunity to ask questions and read threads like the rest of us. If they choose not to or want to make excuses about not having time and wind up getting hurt or burned, no one here should feel like they let them down and as human nature goes, they will (should) learn from their mistakes.

I don't know man. I agree with what you said, but I still have a problem with this guy doxxing someone, whether they're stupid, naive, etc.

 

[Frozen]

Is bbbg permanently banned?

 

[wsmwannabe]

Is bbbg permanently banned?

I heard one month ban, but I don’t know for sure.

 

[Millard]

This right here is a problem, and that’s not a knock on you. The issue is these punishment techniques are training people not to repeatedly call a source out and I have seen many people on here discouraged from trying to do the vetting against naps or whomever else, or it’ll be a much softer stance against a source due to the potential of getting banned for a soft ass reason like spamming a thread.

@Millard call it what you want but whether you like it or not, you’re training your regulars to not approach vendors for vetting.

I don't think most members are that stupid.

Obviously, just a review of any naps-related threads will reveal literally thousands of messages "calling out sources". A review of practically every other source threads will reveal seeming unending number of messages holding source accountable, insulting them, calling them out, etc.

It is clear that members have always and continue to be free to call out sources.

What they have never been free to do is violate the rules of the forum.

These are two different issues.

Unfortunately, quite a few members in this thread are incapable of understanding that and conflate the two.

It's really not that difficult to call out sources while following the rules of the forum.

I have no idea why people have been so challenged lately.

 

[cochino]

Naps was banned. I believe for at least a month. BBBG got 2 weeks.

Why was BBBG even banned though?
Rule10)) Internet forum trolling is prohibited whereas trolling is defined as the disruption of forum discussion with unprovoked personal attacks on members and/or repeatedly posting of off-topic messages/images/porn/etc in numerous threads.

I don't see where BBBG was off topic, using personal attacks, etc. To me he was stating an opinion.

Maybe @Millard can explain why.

 

[The_Dude69]

I heard one month ban, but I don’t know for sure.

Damn…. I hope not

 

[The_Dude69]

I have no idea why people have been so challenged lately.

Maybe we are really riled up because probably the most helpful and toughest vet got banned for ‘spam’ in a thread that a source has been legitimately spamming with fake pictures and reviews.

It would take an idiot to not recognize the similar countertops. Naps is dumb enough he actually posted the same countertop in a review twice in a row. I think it was post 1,340 or something. but it is blatantly obvious. I don’t understand why you are defending Naps so much over a member that is extremely helpful and embodies everything Meso stands for.

 

[wsmwannabe]

I don't think most members are that stupid.

Obviously, just a review of any naps-related threads will reveal literally thousands of messages "calling out sources". A review of practically every other source threads will reveal seeming unending number of messages holding source accountable, insulting them, calling them out, etc.

It is clear that members have always and continue to be free to call out sources.

What they have never been free to do is violate the rules of the forum.

These are two different issues.

Unfortunately, quite a few members in this thread are incapable of understanding that and conflate the two.

It's really not that difficult to call out sources while following the rules of the forum.

I have no idea why people have been so challenged lately.

You’re awfully defensive over this and frankly your insults are getting old. Sorry my disagreeing with you is getting under your skin to the point you have to be repeatedly passive aggressive.

don’t try to imply for a second that I think members here are stupid. You already have solid evidence, as shown by the quoted post, that members will back off vendors that get favoritism. How is it favoritism?

1) you evade the issue of naps threatening to dox members every time it is brought up. Several members have brought it up on this thread repeatedly, and instead of addressing, you just insult by calling people clueless and willfully ignorant, or just skip it altogether. I’ve seen this tactic plenty of times, just insult people until they back off or stop asking questions, then you won’t have to answer them.

2) you have proven to us all that spamming a vendor thread is a more agregious act that threats of violence or threats of doxxing. How? Because you gave bbbg a longer ban for “spamming” (air quotes because it was a soft ass reason) than you gave him or naps for threats of violence. Don’t give me some bullshit about it being a second offense either.

No one else will say it so I will: it appears you have a vested financial interest in naps and therefore you’re banning members for soft ass reasons, at naps request.

vendors have financial interest in being here and will do whatever they have to to make money, members have no reason to be here other than the fact they like it. That is why members will back off of vendors, because they don’t want to lose the place they enjoy hanging out, and eventually you will have vendors running amok.

 

[Millard]

Maybe we are really riled up because probably the most helpful and toughest vet got banned for ‘spam’ in a thread that a source has been legitimately spamming with fake pictures and reviews.

It would take an idiot to not recognize the similar countertops. Naps is dumb enough he actually posted the same countertop in a review twice in a row. I think it was post 1,340 or something. but it is blatantly obvious. I don’t understand why you are defending Naps so much over a member that is extremely helpful and embodies everything Meso stands for.

More bullshit.

I have no interest in defending any source. I am defending this forum, its rules, and the equal application of its rules to everyone. Because this has been under attack by numerous members many of which I expected far more.

As much as you or anyone else want to disingenuously conflate the two, they are two separate issues:

Members who violate the rules are subject to ban.

Members are free to say anything they want to about sources as long as they operate within the rules.

No one is more upset that helpful members are being banned. But I hold them fully responsible for failing to respect the forum rules. The rules apply equally to everyone - even helpful members and popular members.

 

[Frozen]

@Millard bbbg is a very valuable part of this community. Clearly he is banned right now. As a meso member I’m not happy but respect your decision, this is your house. I’m hoping this is just temporary because a permanent ban would be extremely harmful to the current community. We’ve already lost a lot of good guys over the past few years, don’t start pushing more away.

 

[Millard]

You’re awfully defensive over this and frankly your insults are getting old. Sorry my disagreeing with you is getting under your skin to the point you have to be repeatedly passive aggressive.

don’t try to imply for a second that I think members here are stupid. You already have solid evidence, as shown by the quoted post, that members will back off vendors that get favoritism. How is it favoritism?

1) you evade the issue of naps threatening to dox members every time it is brought up. Several members have brought it up on this thread repeatedly, and instead of addressing, you just insult by calling people clueless and willfully ignorant, or just skip it altogether. I’ve seen this tactic plenty of times, just insult people until they back off or stop asking questions, then you won’t have to answer them.

2) you have proven to us all that spamming a vendor thread is a more agregious act that threats of violence or threats of doxxing. How? Because you gave bbbg a longer ban for “spamming” (air quotes because it was a soft ass reason) than you gave him or naps for threats of violence. Don’t give me some bullshit about it being a second offense either.

No one else will say it so I will: it appears you have a vested financial interest in naps and therefore you’re banning members for soft ass reasons, at naps request.

vendors have financial interest in being here and will do whatever they have to to make money, members have no reason to be here other than the fact they like it. That is why members will back off of vendors, because they don’t want to lose the place they enjoy hanging out, and eventually you will have vendors running amok.

I don't have much patience for people who blatantly lie about what happened. Naps behavior was never ignored. It was immediately addressed at the time and he was immediately banned at the time. When the past behavior was brought up in recent days, it was also addressed. So Maybe you missed my post or are just ignoring the fact that I addressed it.

To be fair, the length of the ban is the only legitimate topic of discussion that you or anyone else has brought up. There is room for improvement.

Yeah, undermining the forum, disregarding/ignoring/mocking the forum rules is pretty egregious. A forum can't function without respect for the forum rules. So, yes, this will be taken very seriously.

You really have no clue if you think allowing members to freely post insults, criticisms, bad reviews, etc. - and not just a few but thousands of them - is appeasing naps. No, I don't need to stop or discourage members from doing any of this.

The only thing I ask is that members respect the fucking rules.

 

[The_Dude69]

Members who violate the rules are subject to ban.

I agree with this, nor am I saying BBBG did not deserve the ban. He clearly broke the rules. I am saying it is ridiculous to punish him and not Naps who is doing the same thing in a sophisticated manner.

You also did not address my main compliant about Naps making fake reviews and even referred you to some posts where he literally has the same countertop side by side.

Myself and a few friends are very good at Python and I might do the exact thing as naps to prove a point how it can be done and seem reasonably real as if a person typed out each comment. And I’ll just have it comment on his thread everytime he posts or use a random number generator to determine the time between posts to make it ‘seem’ like a real person is posting. It’s really not hard to do what he’s doing.

 

[MindlessWork]

I agree with this, nor am I saying BBBG did not deserve the ban. He clearly broke the rules. I am saying it is ridiculous to punish him and not Naps who is doing the same thing in a sophisticated manner.

You also did not address my main compliant about Naps making fake reviews and even referred you to some posts where he literally has the same countertop side by side.

Myself and a few friends are very good at Python and I might do the exact thing as naps to prove a point how it can be done and seem reasonably real as if a person typed out each comment. And I’ll just have it comment on his thread everytime he posts or use a random number generator to determine the time between posts to make it ‘seem’ like a real person is posting. It’s really not hard to do what he’s doing.

I've gotten to play with Python a little bit as been using it for doing some things I could not do in Powershell for server management at work. It's a good language IMO.

I use it to get nicely formatted data for server uptime or looking for something in logs on multiple servers. Better formatting than powershell.

 

[The_Dude69]

I've gotten to play with Python a little bit as been using it for doing some things I could not do in Powershell for server management at work. It's a good language IMO.

Very beginner friendly. Love the language. Never messed with anything more besides some HTML for my businesses website. Power shell and other console type languages are too much for me hahah

 

[MindlessWork]

Very beginner friendly. Love the language. Never messed with anything more besides some HTML for my businesses website. Power shell and other console type languages are too much for me hahah

Yep, can do some things that Powershell can't really do...

 

[Millard]

I agree with this, nor am I saying BBBG did not deserve the ban. He clearly broke the rules. I am saying it is ridiculous to punish him and not Naps who is doing the same thing in a sophisticated manner.

You also did not address my main compliant about Naps making fake reviews and even referred you to some posts where he literally has the same countertop side by side.

Myself and a few friends are very good at Python and I might do the exact thing as naps to prove a point how it can be done and seem reasonably real as if a person typed out each comment. And I’ll just have it comment on his thread everytime he posts or use a random number generator to determine the time between posts to make it ‘seem’ like a real person is posting. It’s really not hard to do what he’s doing.

I've already addressed why posting original product photos is not considered spam

I encourage you to make the case, post side by side screenshots, etc that Naps is making fake reviews, etc.

I also encourage to make the technical case about how automated means are being used to manipulate this forum.

But by no means should you create your own script to manipulate the forum. This is prohibited and if it can be proven will result in a ban.

 

[vladamirnotinPutin]

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Is that 30 Weight or 50 Weight motor oil? Come with free blinker fluid?

 

[The_Dude69]

I've already addressed why posting original product photos is not considered spam

I encourage you to make the case, post side by side screenshots, etc that Naps is making fake reviews, etc.

I also encourage to make the technical case about how automated means are being used to manipulate this forum.

But by no means should you create your own script to manipulate the forum. This is prohibited and if it can be proven will result in a ban.

If I have time tomorrow I will try. I already have 20+ screenshots just from the first 10 pages of identical granite and countertops.

I will not create that, but I was partially saying it to explain in a way that it is not very hard to do and to pull from a large bank of words that would only take about a couple days work to type out all the review parts that they have. I mean the subject line “Touchdown” is used like atleast 20+ times. And the “got my pack in 3 weeks” is used a lot. It would be really easy to insert a random number generator that picks between 2-4 for all the TA comments to make it seem more random. There is just a lot of tell tale signs that someone is using a script to create this and when they upload they add the pictures of the vials from around their houses. I mean recently they’ve been resulting to posting in the bubble wrap only because I think they realized it was getting a little bit obvious.

 

[MindlessWork]

I've already addressed why posting original product photos is not considered spam

I encourage you to make the case, post side by side screenshots, etc that Naps is making fake reviews, etc.

I also encourage to make the technical case about how automated means are being used to manipulate this forum.

But by no means should you create your own script to manipulate the forum. This is prohibited and if it can be proven will result in a ban.

There's 3 ways to detect scripts AFAICT:

1. Out of sequence or too-frequent AJAX requests.
2. Changes to the page's code (HTML, global JS, or even CSS).
3. Unnatural mouse or keyboard action.

Rapid fire posting attempts can be a sign of a script or bot, but as there's flow control (30 secs between posts), you can perhaps see if there's multiple posting attempts despite the flow control.

The server logs or Xenforo logs may have such info.