Improving the "Steroid Underground" subforum - rules discussion

[ripped103]

if guys are so worried about new sources such as myself.
Place small orders.
I always looked at it as if you don't have the money to lose don't purchase anything.
if the service and source holds true to his word after a small order, then by all means go a little larger and do this over time till you feel comfortable .
If a source takes on to many clients and can't deliver than dont use them.
what's so hard to place a small order ,like a bottle of test.if your happy and everyone else is then place a slightly larger order.
Let the source show you he's here for the long haul and not a fly by night operation.
As far as getting a domestic to show you the lab equipment that his chemist works at us unreasonable because of the fact this is illegal and I know for a fact that my chemist will not give pictures of a place where he makes illegal products cause by any chance its recognized he can lose his job among other things.
Always proceed with caution, and of you see a source with every product known to man to start out then most likely he's just looking for a payday.
Take what I say with a grain of salt.
Also the whole post count don't mean nothing ,since see people here with a low post count who have been on other boards for over ten years .

 

[Spyder]

if guys are so worried about new sources such as myself.
Place small orders.
I always looked at it as if you don't have the money to lose don't purchase anything.
if the service and source holds true to his word after a small order, then by all means go a little larger and do this over time till you feel comfortable .
If a source takes on to many clients and can't deliver than dont use them.
what's so hard to place a small order ,like a bottle of test.if your happy and everyone else is then place a slightly larger order.
Let the source show you he's here for the long haul and not a fly by night operation.
As far as getting a domestic to show you the lab equipment that his chemist works at us unreasonable because of the fact this is illegal and I know for a fact that my chemist will not give pictures of a place where he makes illegal products cause by any chance its recognized he can lose his job among other things.
Always proceed with caution, and of you see a source with every product known to man to start out then most likely he's just looking for a payday.
Take what I say with a grain of salt.
Also the whole post count don't mean nothing ,since see people here with a low post count who have been on other boards for over ten years .

The post count is only to deter 1 post shills that is all.

 

[Millard]

Re: Improving the "Steroid Underground" subforum

Lately I've seen alot of members changing the quote of other members. While it may seem funny at first its actually really annoying and confusing because now I'm not sure if quotes are altered or not - forcing me to reread every post by the quoted member in the thread. There should be a ban on altering quotes or maybe some type of preventative measure.

I agree.

 

[Spyder]

^^^So Millard will people get banned for this?

 

[Candyskull]

if guys are so worried about new sources such as myself.
Place small orders.
I always looked at it as if you don't have the money to lose don't purchase anything.
if the service and source holds true to his word after a small order, then by all means go a little larger and do this over time till you feel comfortable .
If a source takes on to many clients and can't deliver than dont use them.
what's so hard to place a small order ,like a bottle of test.if your happy and everyone else is then place a slightly larger order.
Let the source show you he's here for the long haul and not a fly by night operation.
As far as getting a domestic to show you the lab equipment that his chemist works at us unreasonable because of the fact this is illegal and I know for a fact that my chemist will not give pictures of a place where he makes illegal products cause by any chance its recognized he can lose his job among other things.
Always proceed with caution, and of you see a source with every product known to man to start out then most likely he's just looking for a payday.
Take what I say with a grain of salt.
Also the whole post count don't mean nothing ,since see people here with a low post count who have been on other boards for over ten years .

This isn't bad advice per se, but

A) All sources know this. Very few scams or tank jobs start out that way. While I can't advocate anyone dropping $700 their first order, not much says they won't get scammed 3 orders in when they order that much. In fact, I think this is the more expected scam format.

B) No one wants pictures of your smiling face and a shot of a whole lab. A close up of a brand less autoclave and a sheet of paper with a user name isn't unreasonable. To me that's at least going to prove this isn't your first rodeo.

The remainder of your comment I couldn't agree more with.

 

[fit2beking]

:notworthy::goodpost: CS! This is the kind of thoughtful stuff that I appreciate. Good work!

 

[11BJJ]

Maybe make a standard for sources?
Must use clear vials if you plan to promote on meso.
Maybe a detailed list of their process, types of oils they use, etc....
If source post or sponsor other forums must post which ones.
Maybe pics of their lab setup without compromising their loc.

 

[beezil]

we can't make this forum a police state... by making rules to protect the sheep... as said earlier. someone will always step out in front of the fire. you can't save everyone. they need to learn to think for themselves and ask the right questions.

the vets can help by stepping it up and pressuring the sources... not taking free gear. we all know it will be legit. its the others that get the under dosed unpurified (unnfiltered) shwill.

i believe we all want the same thing... lets just move in that direction with out censoring a great forum.

 

[pittbox]

The only problem with the underground is that the very rules, or lack thereof, that make it so appealing to us, seem to also be making it quite convenient for chills and these half ass fly by night selective scamming ugl's to just keep doing what they do.

How do we fix this?
I have no idea.
Although I do believe it is entirely up to us. To come up with a solution to such a profound problem we are going to have to learn how to work together and stop bickering over trivialities.

I believe this experiment called " the steroid underground" goes much deeper with Millard then just sourcing good gear.

At this point, even with this open forum, it seems the scammers are winning! Do you think this is what Millard expected? What do you think his expectations are/were?
Are we going about this completely wrong?

I feel like someone needs to call a sit down so some rules can be ironed out. We may not be able to change the rules of Millard's forum but we can certainly lay down some guidelines and codes of conduct.

Someone smarter than me should make a right up and present it to the majority. You could be with us or you can be against us kind of thing stating clearly acceptable and non acceptable behavior in reference to sources.

Alright I'm starting to ramble so I'm going to go but you guys get the idea.

And for the record, I am one of the few who believe that it is the same core group of people that have ran these last few scams.
Bio herc pep... All the same. The 2 new ones that just popped up, (forgot their names) I'm keeping an eye on those guys too.

 

[beezil]

we can force sources to take the direction of Silk Road... an escrow of sorts.

with a rating system and feedback... they don't get paid till the product hits the door.

just a thought...

we need to develop something for the sources to follow... that protects the members.

rules against the members, of sorts, is the antithesis of this forum.

the only way to do that... is taking a page from SR.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

if guys are so worried about new sources such as myself.
Place small orders.

I always looked at it as if you don't have the money to lose don't purchase anything.
if the service and source holds true to his word after a small order, then by all means go a little larger and do this over time till you feel comfortable .

Like CS mentioned, the small orders usually come through. It's the bigger future orders where the scam happens. And time and again, it's almost always the new sources that turn scammer rather than the ones that have been around for years.

It's for that reason that I suggested ALL new sources should be avoided entirely. Using them for small orders allows them to build the trust needed for the bigger orders. Sure, my suggestion makes it hard for the new source to get established but that's not my problem, it's theirs. And that's why source boards exist - to give the new guy an opportunity to get started by sponsoring the board. The sources that come to Meso rather than PM are here because they can't afford PM's fees. If they can't afford PM's fees, what makes anyone think they can afford to provide a "safe" product in a reliable manner? The answer is nothing.

If a source takes on to many clients and can't deliver than dont use them.
what's so hard to place a small order ,like a bottle of test.if your happy and everyone else is then place a slightly larger order.
Let the source show you he's here for the long haul and not a fly by night operation.

Every source that's been here has said and shown "they're in it for the long haul." It doesn't mean anything. Even Stretch said it. Until a source has actually "been in it for the long haul," they're just a "fly by night operation" - or should be considered as such. Only time can give credibility to sources.

Also the whole post count don't mean nothing ,since see people here with a low post count who have been on other boards for over ten years .

Right, post count means nothing, JUST like a source racking up a lot of sales in a short time means nothing.

CBS

 

[Candyskull]

The only problem with the underground is that the very rules, or lack thereof, that make it so appealing to us, seem to also be making it quite convenient for chills and these half ass fly by night selective scamming ugl's to just keep doing what they do.

How do we fix this?
I have no idea.
Although I do believe it is entirely up to us. To come up with a solution to such a profound problem we are going to have to learn how to work together and stop bickering over trivialities.

I believe this experiment called " the steroid underground" goes much deeper with Millard then just sourcing good gear.

At this point, even with this open forum, it seems the scammers are winning! Do you think this is what Millard expected? What do you think his expectations are/were?
Are we going about this completely wrong?

I feel like someone needs to call a sit down so some rules can be ironed out. We may not be able to change the rules of Millard's forum but we can certainly lay down some guidelines and codes of conduct.

Someone smarter than me should make a right up and present it to the majority. You could be with us or you can be against us kind of thing stating clearly acceptable and non acceptable behavior in reference to sources.

Alright I'm starting to ramble so I'm going to go but you guys get the idea.

And for the record, I am one of the few who believe that it is the same core group of people that have ran these last few scams.
Bio herc pep... All the same. The 2 new ones that just popped up, (forgot their names) I'm keeping an eye on those guys too.

I'm no longer sure anything formal should be utilized, but one thing that immediately came to mind reading your post was this:

Free gear and vets is a bad idea. I think that behavior needs some serious consideration. The consequences of taking free gear as a vet need to be thought through.

 

[stallion]

Here's a simple idea that may be helpful to the members, especially newer members. Anyone that is either a source, or a rep for a source, should be listed as such. We all have labels on our handles (member, senior member, veteran member, etc.), why not have the label of "rep" or "source" appear on the users handle?

When I first came to Meso, I had no idea who sources or source reps were. As fast as sources are popping up, I still sometimes don't know who they are.

Something this simple may prevent the board from developing an unwitting cult behind a rep or a source (Stretch comes to mind here).

 

[pittbox]

I'm no longer sure anything formal should be utilized, but one thing that immediately came to mind reading your post was this:

Free gear and vets is a bad idea. I think that behavior needs some serious consideration. The consequences of taking free gear as a vet need to be thought through.

I agree, and I've noticed many vet's will not except free gear from unknown sources.
But the question remains, how does a new source go about verifying his gear?

 

[Candyskull]

I agree, and I've noticed many vet's will not except free gear from unknown sources.
But the question remains, how does a new source go about verifying his gear?

In the words of CBS, not my problem.

In the words of PT Barnum, there's a sucker born every minute.

A guy took SAP up. I like the dude, but do I really need to say more?

 

[beezil]

gentlemen,

the members need to force the sources to do business in a certain manner.

just like the work place safe acts of yester-year. The owners couldn't operate with out workers.. the workers wouldn't work without a safe place to work.

if the members don't run and buy anything... till the source proves themselves...

we, as the members, need to enforce whatever those guidelines are...

if the source doesn't want to comply. No problem. go somewhere else.

we just protected our members from getting scammed or worse yet... a staph infection.

 

[stomps]

Here's a simple idea that may be helpful to the members, especially newer members. Anyone that is either a source, or a rep for a source, should be listed as such. We all have labels on our handles (member, senior member, veteran member, etc.), why not have the label of "rep" or "source" appear on the users handle?

When I first came to Meso, I had no idea who sources or source reps were. As fast as sources are popping up, I still sometimes don't know who they are.

Something this simple may prevent the board from developing an unwitting cult behind a rep or a source (Stretch comes to mind here).

Problem with this is what about the schills and people who won't admit to repping/schilling

 

[pittbox]

gentlemen,

the members need to force the sources to do business in a certain manner.

just like the work place safe acts of yester-year. The owners couldn't operate with out workers.. the workers wouldn't work without a safe place to work.

if the members don't run and buy anything... till the source proves themselves...

we, as the members, need to enforce whatever those guidelines are...

if the source doesn't want to comply. No problem. go somewhere else.

we just protected our members from getting scammed or worse yet... a staph infection.

Simple and surly effective.
But how do we get everyone to comply and what do we do about the shills and the sources ability to just create multiple handles and shill for himself?

 

[ripped103]

I don't agree with the statement that sources come here cause they can't afford to pay for advertising on pm.
It's actually not that expensive to advertise there.
The reason I personally came here first was because sources in pm blow up fast then can't handle all the traffic,which winds up slowing down the operation and people complaining about delayed orders.
Pm is huge there's so much traffic the its inevitable that with even each person making small orders you will need a huge operation to make it work .
I much rather start up smaller and earn respect among the viewers than to buy them.
also with sending members freebies here it would come out to a month subscription at pm,and there a source can just hold a good sale and get alot of people that way.
When you see some of these guys selling gear so cheap they must be cutting corners because its no only the price of the rAws,its paying the chemist,paying the runners plus all the packing supplies us the vials,labels.
It's not cheap to keep a reasonable operation afloat.
I much rather sell the productcatva fair price than extremely cheap ,this way you always stay honest .
I don't understand why sources switch out deca for test or primo for equipose.
It will catch up to you.
I do onto others like I'd want them to do to me.
I've been scammed before,only once in about 20+ years and even if I do get scammed ,that's life.
When you go to Atlantic city would you bet a 1000 a hand if you can't afford to lose it?
Same goes with a source are you going to buy 1000$ worth of gear if you can't afford to lose it.
you can't just write off a new source just because there new, you test them out let the people who get the free gear try it out if its good,place a small order.See how the communication is,see what the T/a time is.
I've used a source one time who everyone praised and since he knew everyone would back him he was so nasty in his correspondence .
To me that's just a turn off regardless if you get your gear .

 

[Candyskull]

Ripped103-

To be perfectly honest here pal, I don't really give two shits what you do or don't agree with here, and that's a primary part of this thread and why I broached the topic.

Your agenda here, no matter how honest you are, is to make money off us.

Our agenda is to keep you from fucking us.

So, although it's not my right to tell you that you can't post here, I would really appreciate you taking a flying fuck at a rolling donut and buggering off.

To be fair, I'm not trying to disrespect you, but I'm a little miffed you're in here because this conversation doesn't need a sources opinion.