Improving the "Steroid Underground" subforum - rules discussion

[stallion]

Problem with this is what about the schills and people who won't admit to repping/schilling

From what I've seen, the board members are usually able to sniff these guys out. It also lets members know, who the "official" rep or reps for a source are.

I'm going to use Stretch as an example again. When I came to Meso, it took me months to even figure out that Stretch was a rep. He came across as one of the regular board members. I think that was part of his charm. He didn't come across as a rep, people didn't see him as a rep, and he was allowed to protect his Meso turf for Biologic because he was considered one of us.

I know this idea doesn't smoke out all the shills/cheerleaders, but it would remind us not to get too comfortable with sources and reps. Sometimes its the guy sitting right in front of you that one needs to be leery of.

 

[Millard]

Lately I've seen alot of members changing the quote of other members. While it may seem funny at first its actually really annoying and confusing because now I'm not sure if quotes are altered or not - forcing me to reread every post by the quoted member in the thread. There should be a ban on altering quotes or maybe some type of preventative measure.

^^^So Millard will people get banned for this?

Sometimes people do it to be funny. Sometimes to make original poster look stupid. Sometimes to drive an agenda. It's very misleading. At the very least, any accidental or intentional misquotes should be reported and action taken to remove or correct.

I like considering all remedies before resorting to ban hammer. Keep the ideas coming.

 

[stomps]

gentlemen,

the members need to force the sources to do business in a certain manner.

just like the work place safe acts of yester-year. The owners couldn't operate with out workers.. the workers wouldn't work without a safe place to work.

if the members don't run and buy anything... till the source proves themselves...

we, as the members, need to enforce whatever those guidelines are...

if the source doesn't want to comply. No problem. go somewhere else.

we just protected our members from getting scammed or worse yet... a staph infection.

This might be the best solution so far
Have the members set what is to be expected of a source and the ones who don't comply can go elsewhere.
And if we decide on this course all sources should be held to the same standard

 

[stallion]

I don't agree with the statement that sources come here cause they can't afford to pay for advertising on pm.
It's actually not that expensive to advertise there.
The reason I personally came here first was because sources in pm blow up fast then can't handle all the traffic,which winds up slowing down the operation and people complaining about delayed orders.
Pm is huge there's so much traffic the its inevitable that with even each person making small orders you will need a huge operation to make it work .
I much rather start up smaller and earn respect among the viewers than to buy them.
also with sending members freebies here it would come out to a month subscription at pm,and there a source can just hold a good sale and get alot of people that way.
When you see some of these guys selling gear so cheap they must be cutting corners because its no only the price of the rAws,its paying the chemist,paying the runners plus all the packing supplies us the vials,labels.
It's not cheap to keep a reasonable operation afloat.
I much rather sell the productcatva fair price than extremely cheap ,this way you always stay honest .
I don't understand why sources switch out deca for test or primo for equipose.
It will catch up to you.
I do onto others like I'd want them to do to me.
I've been scammed before,only once in about 20+ years and even if I do get scammed ,that's life.
When you go to Atlantic city would you bet a 1000 a hand if you can't afford to lose it?
Same goes with a source are you going to buy 1000$ worth of gear if you can't afford to lose it.
you can't just write off a new source just because there new, you test them out let the people who get the free gear try it out if its good,place a small order.See how the communication is,see what the T/a time is.
I've used a source one time who everyone praised and since he knew everyone would back him he was so nasty in his correspondence .
To me that's just a turn off regardless if you get your gear .

Ripped103-

To be perfectly honest here pal, I don't really give two shits what you do or don't agree with here, and that's a primary part of this thread and why I broached the topic.

Your agenda here, no matter how honest you are, is to make money off us.

Our agenda is to keep you from fucking us.

So, although it's not my right to tell you that you can't post here, I would really appreciate you taking a flying fuck at a rolling donut and buggering off.

To be fair, I'm not trying to disrespect you, but I'm a little miffed you're in here because this conversation doesn't need a sources opinion.

I'm going to use this as an example: maybe I'm the only one, but I wasn't aware Ripped103 was a rep. I don't know what source he reps for. He seems to be a long time member of Meso who is now a rep for someone.

So be it, good for him...but I want to know or be reminded that he is repping for someone everytime he posts. If his handle said that he was a rep for someone, we would all be reminded everytime he posts.

A new member may come along, see that he's been a long time Meso member and go to him for advice thinking that he's just a long time "senior member". Ripped103 may be a great guy, I don't know him. But he may use that senior member status to get newbies to buy from the source he reps.

Candyskull, I understand where you are coming from, but I think everyone should be able to voice their opinion on this subject, including reps and sources. We just need to be reminded who the reps and sources are every time they post.

 

[boxer15]

Nothing except that gearusings handles should be banned asap, so he doesn't give the new guys the wrong idea on whats going on.

 

[stomps]

Candyskull, I understand where you are coming from, but I think everyone should be able to voice their opinion on this subject, including reps and sources. We just need to be reminded who the reps and sources are every time they post.

Respectfully disagree as they have a clear agenda

 

[Millard]

Free gear and vets is a bad idea. I think that behavior needs some serious consideration. The consequences of taking free gear as a vet need to be thought through.

What shouldn't be a big secret is that admins/mods/vets always get the good stuff; they are never or rarely scammed by new sources. So what does an admin/mod/vets' transaction tell anyone about a new source? Next to nothing.

So why does it continue year after year?

Of course, it's just the way things are done and few people question it.

But why not question it?

It continues because it's a highly effective marketing technique that consistently works for sources. Members/consumers see the marketing technique in action and they are convinced. But the problem is that it works just as well for bad sources as it does for good sources. It can just as easily set up the perpetuation of a massive scam six month down the road as it can launch the next great long-lived source.

 

[BIGMESC]

Just got caught up on this thread, and I really like it. This is what needed to improve the underground, communication between Board, Vets and members before shit happens and coming up with a code of conduct that we agree upon among ourselves. This is a step in the right direction.

I have seen in the statistics and awards section a "reputation rating" I don't think its used anymore but it could be revived. Perhaps allowing Vets to vote on the reputation of each other and senior members, the higher vote counts would have a rating bar and tag of "trusted member" meaning that there opinion is though to be honest or valid and to what level.

A vote could be rescinded at any time if needed therefore lowering trusted member status rating.

I know there are a number of Vets and senior members who's opinion I value more than others, I may not be one you trust and you may not be on my trusted list but collectively, the Vets and board mods could come up with some people that most would agree on.

Another idea would be a Vet only sub forum. Yes, I know its joked about and could be real, I wouldn't know I am not a Vet by any standard.

I think a place other than PMs where Vets could get input from other Vets without every yahoo giving there 2 cents would be beneficial. I could see there being some problems with this, Sources would have to be banned, Vets only sharing on there sub forum.. etc.

 

[boxer15]

gentlemen,

the members need to force the sources to do business in a certain manner.

just like the work place safe acts of yester-year. The owners couldn't operate with out workers.. the workers wouldn't work without a safe place to work.

if the members don't run and buy anything... till the source proves themselves...

we, as the members, need to enforce whatever those guidelines are...

if the source doesn't want to comply. No problem. go somewhere else.

we just protected our members from getting scammed or worse yet... a staph infection.

This is a really good idea. If sources don't comply with our standards they be kicked out.......and maybe kick out their dick leeches with them

 

[Candyskull]

This is a really good idea. If sources don't comply with our standards they be kicked out.......and maybe kick out their dick leeches with them

I once had a boss who said he'd never fired anyone, they'd always fired themselves.

No one needs to kick out a source who doesn't comply. You kick them out with your wallet. If they're not making the buckaroos here, they'll either get with the program, or get bent.

 

[stomps]

Just got caught up on this thread, and I really like it. This is what needed to improve the underground, communication between Board, Vets and members before shit happens and coming up with a code of conduct that we agree upon among ourselves. This is a step in the right direction.

I have seen in the statistics and awards section a "reputation rating" I don't think its used anymore but it could be revived. Perhaps allowing Vets to vote on the reputation of each other and senior members, the higher vote counts would have a rating bar and tag of "trusted member" meaning that there opinion is though to be honest or valid and to what level.

A vote could be rescinded at any time if needed therefore lowering trusted member status rating.

I know there are a number of Vets and senior members who's opinion I value more than others, I may not be one you trust and you may not be on my trusted list but collectively, the Vets and board mods could come up with some people that most would agree on.

Another idea would be a Vet only sub forum. Yes, I know its joked about and could be real, I wouldn't know I am not a Vet by any standard.

I think a place other than PMs where Vets could get input from other Vets without every yahoo giving there 2 cents would be beneficial. I could see there being some problems with this, Sources would have to be banned, Vets only sharing on there sub forum.. etc.

The problem I see with the rating system would be multiple account to boost someone's ratings and if you piss someone off a source for example could make multiple accounts and slowly lower a trusted members rating as well

 

[boxer15]

vets is a bad idea. I think that behavior needs some serious consideration. The consequences of taking free gear as a vet need to be thought through.

Look on the bright side. If the gear was poison at least we will know. I personally would never want to be the first person to run someone else's gear.

 

[stomps]

I once had a boss who said he'd never fired anyone, they'd always fired themselves.

No one needs to kick out a source who doesn't comply. You kick them out with your wallet. If they're not making the buckaroos here, they'll either get with the program, or get bent.

Exactly no need to ban them just don't give them any money

 

[BIGMESC]

The problem I see with the rating system would be multiple account to boost someone's ratings and if you piss someone off a source for example could make multiple accounts and slowly lower a trusted members rating as well

Well maybe only vets with post counts over 1010 could vote.
I kid, I kid

 

[stallion]

Respectfully disagree as they have a clear agenda

I understand where you are coming from. My opinion is the more that a source or rep posts, the more we tend to find out about their character.

 

[Millard]

Here's a simple idea that may be helpful to the members, especially newer members. Anyone that is either a source, or a rep for a source, should be listed as such. We all have labels on our handles (member, senior member, veteran member, etc.), why not have the label of "rep" or "source" appear on the users handle?

When I first came to Meso, I had no idea who sources or source reps were. As fast as sources are popping up, I still sometimes don't know who they are.

Something this simple may prevent the board from developing an unwitting cult behind a rep or a source (Stretch comes to mind here).

Problem with this is what about the schills and people who won't admit to repping/schilling

Agendas are not necessarily bad. However, lack of disclosure most definitely is! I've been hammering the importance of disclosure forever.

Companies/individuals who have a commercially-driven agenda who fail to disclose relationships with other "vets" and "members" posting on their behalf lose all credibility.

Why not be honest from the onset? This type of deception speaks volumes.

Bottom line: more needs to be done to encourage/enforce disclosure. Maybe this would be a good question to ask anyone who comes posts here and ask for you to send them money. "Can you list every handle that you have asked to post on your behalf or have rewarded in any way whatsoever for posting on your behalf?"

Unfortunately, it happens so regularly and almost everyone does it, that it is generally accepted in the wider community. I know MESO members expose this practice on a regular basis. But still, those commercial interests who do it are not always held accountable and most of the time this practice is allowed to slide. Demand change. Demand accountability.

 

[Candyskull]

I understand where you are coming from. My opinion is the more that a source or rep posts, the more we tend to find out about their character.

I understand that, but my give a shit level for their personality is almost zero. I don't care if they're an illiterate SOB, or a game show host. Show up with legit, sterile gear. That's it. If you want to participate in the steroids forum, or general discussion and you have something to bring to the table, fine. But your opinion on how to keep you from fucking us over? Yeah, I'm not even a little interested as you have a clear conflict of interest.

 

[ripped103]

Just so you know I'm not a rep,I don't rep for anyone.
This is my own business.
Why did it take so long for me to become a source because I'm tired of people being taken advantage of !
If I was going to take money why not accept money the moment I advertised here.
I told everyone to wait till everything is ready so that there won't be any delays.
also why not put more compounds on my list so I can collect even more money.if I was to scam I would of just had the samples made in advance and then let everyone order .i will not or fir that matter ever take money for a product unless its ready to ship.if I tell everyone to give me preorders ,which I mean just email me what you want but not to pay untill that items ready it will be to see the demand fir certain items
My list isn't really that long but I have 2 items that alot of sources don't carry cause there expensive but I know when I was looking I couldn't find it myself.
have i been aroundblongerbthan most on all boards yes,which shows my age . I'm Not a kid and hope to prove myself over time .
I actually made clear labels , this way you can see through them without taking off the stickers and see if there's any floaters.
Anyway this thread is not about me its how to improve the board and educate the members.
Remember everybody starts off somewhere,regardless of the board .if this board does not want a standup source ill go to pm after I hire more staff . I know how that board works.
In life the cheap becomes expensive.so if the prices are to low them for sure there cutting corners somewhere
And I do have a right to post here like every other member.

 

[Candyskull]

Just so you know I'm not a rep,I don't rep for anyone.
This is my own business.
Why did it take so long for me to become a source because I'm tired of people being taken advantage of !
If I was going to take money why not accept money the moment I advertised here.
I told everyone to wait till everything is ready so that there won't be any delays.
also why not put more compounds on my list so I can collect even more money.if I was to scam I would of just had the samples made in advance and then let everyone order .i will not or fir that matter ever take money for a product unless its ready to ship.if I tell everyone to give me preorders ,which I mean just email me what you want but not to pay untill that items ready it will be to see the demand fir certain items
My list isn't really that long but I have 2 items that alot of sources don't carry cause there expensive but I know when I was looking I couldn't find it myself.
have i been aroundblongerbthan most on all boards yes,which shows my age . I'm Not a kid and hope to prove myself over time .
I actually made clear labels , this way you can see through them without taking off the stickers and see if there's any floaters.
Anyway this thread is not about me its how to improve the board and educate the members.
Remember everybody starts off somewhere,regardless of the board .if this board does not want a standup source ill go to pm after I hire more staff . I know how that board works.
In life the cheap becomes expensive.so if the prices are to low them for sure there cutting corners somewhere
And I do have a right to post here like every other member.

I wish you the best of luck with your lab too, and I hope that you're everything that anyone could want.

You are absolutely correct that you have the right to post here.

I just want you to keep in mind what people recently lost track of with Stretch, and that is that you stopped being "one of us" the moment you started sourcing. You no longer have the same agenda as the regular members.

So, as great of a guy as you may have once been, and as much of a great source as you might very well be, ANYTHING you say is now TAINTED.

That's all.

 

[Talon07]

I'm not a computer scientist but isn't there a way to limit the amount of user accounts that can be created from devices and/or I.P. Addresses or however it works.. That would at least limit the shills from creating and using multiple accounts.. I don't know if it's possible but just throwing that idea out