Improving the "Steroid Underground" subforum - rules discussion

No idea on what the fee should be, I just
think there should be one.




Just trying to find a way for the source to have a lil'skin in the game. People tend to be more mindful of things when they have something to lose.

Agreed. Escrow seems to be the best option that way.
 
I have just signed up for this forum and have been involved in the "online underground" for the past decade and watched it transform from a handful of sources to an explosion of scammers and now to an even more dangerous group of homebrewers (specifically in the US), who sell underdosed/overdosed/improperly produced products that can do serious damage to users. Being a founding owner of Njjuice.com, a private source that resells from labs that we send out for our own lab work prior to ever selling, it was more an issue of finding sources than anything. I've read through this entire thread and still cannot understand the "appropriate" way to list a source, specifically if you are a source, and will refrain from making a thread until I get some additional feedback (mainly here). This forum is the exact opposite of many places we have been listed and I, for one, love the freedom of speech and the no bullshit attitude of the members here. This is not being said for support, but just as a truth -- and a reason I've even responded to this thread. Unlike most places, there is no place for introductions anywhere. People who have been around for many years know sources, as well as individuals through other forums, and can easily identify who is who. We have been a members-only setup for the past two years to avoid the mainstream and to avoid selling to novices who haven't done any research whatsoever and will cause serious long term damage to themselves by using these products incorrectly. I've met guys who are impotent at 25, others with holes in their shoulders from dirty UGL gear, and the entire system is getting worse instead of better, mainly due to GREED. People buy reputations and newbies jump on the "highest rated" source without any background, never doing any lab work, or even blood work, while running gear for several cycles before realizing -- and its too late. I'd like to join in the discussions here prior to advertising our services, and I'd like to get more feedback on how the proper way would be to list a source here. Any feedback from the seniors would be greatly appreciated.
 
I have just signed up for this forum and have been involved in the "online underground" for the past decade and watched it transform from a handful of sources to an explosion of scammers and now to an even more dangerous group of homebrewers (specifically in the US), who sell underdosed/overdosed/improperly produced products that can do serious damage to users. Being a founding owner of Njjuice.com, a private source that resells from labs that we send out for our own lab work prior to ever selling, it was more an issue of finding sources than anything. I've read through this entire thread and still cannot understand the "appropriate" way to list a source, specifically if you are a source, and will refrain from making a thread until I get some additional feedback (mainly here). This forum is the exact opposite of many places we have been listed and I, for one, love the freedom of speech and the no bullshit attitude of the members here. This is not being said for support, but just as a truth -- and a reason I've even responded to this thread. Unlike most places, there is no place for introductions anywhere. People who have been around for many years know sources, as well as individuals through other forums, and can easily identify who is who. We have been a members-only setup for the past two years to avoid the mainstream and to avoid selling to novices who haven't done any research whatsoever and will cause serious long term damage to themselves by using these products incorrectly. I've met guys who are impotent at 25, others with holes in their shoulders from dirty UGL gear, and the entire system is getting worse instead of better, mainly due to GREED. People buy reputations and newbies jump on the "highest rated" source without any background, never doing any lab work, or even blood work, while running gear for several cycles before realizing -- and its too late. I'd like to join in the discussions here prior to advertising our services, and I'd like to get more feedback on how the proper way would be to list a source here. Any feedback from the seniors would be greatly appreciated.

People BUY reputation...but on here, there is a procedure. Far as your end statement, definitely do some looking. Hope you are real.
 
I have just signed up for this forum and have been involved in the "online underground" for the past decade and watched it transform from a handful of sources to an explosion of scammers and now to an even more dangerous group of homebrewers (specifically in the US), who sell underdosed/overdosed/improperly produced products that can do serious damage to users. Being a founding owner of Njjuice.com, a private source that resells from labs that we send out for our own lab work prior to ever selling, it was more an issue of finding sources than anything. I've read through this entire thread and still cannot understand the "appropriate" way to list a source, specifically if you are a source, and will refrain from making a thread until I get some additional feedback (mainly here). This forum is the exact opposite of many places we have been listed and I, for one, love the freedom of speech and the no bullshit attitude of the members here. This is not being said for support, but just as a truth -- and a reason I've even responded to this thread. Unlike most places, there is no place for introductions anywhere. People who have been around for many years know sources, as well as individuals through other forums, and can easily identify who is who. We have been a members-only setup for the past two years to avoid the mainstream and to avoid selling to novices who haven't done any research whatsoever and will cause serious long term damage to themselves by using these products incorrectly. I've met guys who are impotent at 25, others with holes in their shoulders from dirty UGL gear, and the entire system is getting worse instead of better, mainly due to GREED. People buy reputations and newbies jump on the "highest rated" source without any background, never doing any lab work, or even blood work, while running gear for several cycles before realizing -- and its too late. I'd like to join in the discussions here prior to advertising our services, and I'd like to get more feedback on how the proper way would be to list a source here. Any feedback from the seniors would be greatly appreciated.

Sticky at the top https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/134349656
Then read this last post https://thinksteroids.com/community/posts/990343
 
I think a source would continue to supply decent priced and quality gear if they had something to lose. I love the idea of sources having fees to pay to be able to sell here. If they have something to lose they're more likely to keep shit tight.

No way. That's one small step away from being a sponsored board.

Just keep it the way it is and let the users and members police themselves. From what I can gather from reading, the board has taken a turn for the worse in the last few months. But that is probably just the ebb and flow of things right now, and the members should be the ones to right the ship.
 
I understand the basis for the post count requirement, but I think it could limit some good information and results from new members. Some of us may be new to this board but are not new to this AAS world. Some of us noobs are here for the same reason, as the vets are, to check out reputable sources and protect other members from this bullshit game played at times. But I do think all members need to come together and not send any money to a new source until the ok has been given from our experienced veteran/senior members. Keeping them from making some quick cash and then starting the whole scam over again.
 
I've read over the rules, which are extremely board, which is both a good and bad thing, as this thread discusses in detail. The big issue that I've personally seen is, nothing good lasts forever, and there will always be a way to scam the system. I've worked with UGLs that had their shit in order for the first six months and then switch raws, and now you got $7k in bunk gear that you can't resell. Others have filled orders for $7k with no issue, then turn around and burn you for $2k simply because they couldn't keep up or they just got tired doing it. As far as this discussion of letting mods or experienced people try before others, this will never hold course. People, in general, are just too attracted by a good deal and will try out a source, no research, use the gear, and then complain. Other sources will brew some fire for the initial load to mods, then underdose once given the green light. Not to throw any names under the bus, but Sciroxx is the prime example. These guys made a big name for themselves, and I personally ran their shit, first few batches tested on point. Last order, everything changed. Primo was mislabeled, four items were underdosed in injects, proviron was bunk... now unless we test every batch, who is to say what source is good or bad? IP China, for those who go back to their glory days, prior to the rep for fake GH and such, know how that story goes, as well... and then certain labs just fell off the face of the earth, after making huge strides in a matter of months.

We've run into these problems because we are resellers, not a specific lab. We've thought of making our own UGL, but this goes against our entire concept of supplying gear that we can guarantee (to the best of our ability) to be safe as far as sterility, dosing, etc. The only way that I see is to have this type of setup, where it is kind of cut throat, and to have people with the right ethics as sources. People who are willing to admit they fucked up and fix it, replace it, refund cash -- are worth more in weight than anything else. Just my two cents over the past decade...
 
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