GianT_SlayeR
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Had a buddy hit a vein with Tren he said he thought he was dying 
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GianT_SlayeR
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In a sense your right, moving the needle around slightly from aspirating causes damage but damage would be minimal.
Were these cases cited in medical journals or listed by someone on a were PED forum ?
ludi_janez
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no, they are not officialy medically recorded or proven causation, they are just instances of people reporting that it happened to them on PED forums.
The damage is the result of the needle traversing skin, fat, fascia and muscle.
Aspiration does not add to the insult, which is why it's the medical standard for deep IM injections, since it's a reliable means of circumventing those adverse effects associated with intravascular bolus injections.
jim
While perhaps less important when smaller volumes are injected in areas of lower perfusion, such as the deltoids. bc aspiration only adds
another 2-3 sec to an IM injection, IDK of one reason why it would be omitted as a component of proper technique.
A cough is sooo common with TREN it's development is not necessarily indicative of vascular entry. However this may not be the case with all other AAS IME.
I’d be interested to know what other things cause this cough because I get it with testosterone also
I suspect its been reported with ALL AAS but once again the incidence is MUCH higher with Tren.
And while conjecture abounds on PED forums, the precise nature of this adverse effect has not been elucidated to date.
And while conjecture abounds on PED forums, the precise nature of this adverse effect has not been elucidated to date.
Is your TT contaminated w Tren?
Its not out of the question if your TT came from an UGL, esp knowing Tren and TT are sold in large volumes.
I can hear the Master Brewer now; "a little Tren never hurt anybody", lol
In close to 20years on bodybuilding boards I have never heard of 1 bad reaction injecting IM.
Samsquanch
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I’ve had it twice in the couple years I’ve been on TRT. Was mild compared to the tren cough I’ve had.
Edit: doctor prescribed TRT with Perrigo test cyp.
Agreed @Big_paul however just bc you or I didn't hear about them doesn't mean they didn't occur, BUT imply such events are either self limiting, rare, and/or a combination of both.
To that end, those adverse effects that can be directly attributed (see Doc Scallys post) to the intravascular injection of AAS are quite unusual.
However the Nebido trials provided some much needed insight on the overall risk and what measures may be used to minimize that risk.
JIM
HIGHRISK
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Is this specific to AAS? My wife recently became a nurse. I use to aspirate but then she kept telling me there was no need to. I had always been told you should just because. I only aspirate sometimes in my quads not usually though. Not one time during nursing school or since she's been a nurse has she ever aspirated any shots in the delt or glute. Since you were in that field I was wondering if you knew why they don't teach them to aspirate?
Samsquanch
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I was taught how to how to administer a quad injection at my doctor’s office by the nurse. No aspirating.
Aspiration IS the standard in nursing school also, grab a nursing TEXT for proof.
The difference is likely an extrapolation on behalf of practicing nurses bc a large portion of injections are NOT IM, and those that are involve low volumes, or are relatively nontoxic such that an inadvertent intravascular injection results in minimal side effects.
Another difference is the elimination of multi dose vials in hospital practice as this change reduced iatrogenic "ODS" considerably.
Here's a few examples Dilantin, Demerol, Valium, Ketamine in which failure to aspirate can result in repiratiory arrest
VS
A number of immunizations, Heparin, most antibiotics, some antiemetics in which intravascular injection is wo sequale.
I can only hope her practice of NOT aspirating is based upon a strong fund of knowledge on those drugs being injected and on what would/could happen if .....
All that being said 99.9% of the time NBD, unless YOU are in the 0.1% category and discover aspiration could have eliminated a foreseeable "bad outcome".
JIM
The difference is likely an extrapolation on behalf of practicing nurses bc a large portion of injections are NOT IM, and those that are involve low volumes, or are relatively nontoxic such that an inadvertent intravascular injection results in minimal side effects.
Another difference is the elimination of multi dose vials in hospital practice as this change reduced iatrogenic "ODS" considerably.
Here's a few examples Dilantin, Demerol, Valium, Ketamine in which failure to aspirate can result in repiratiory arrest
VS
A number of immunizations, Heparin, most antibiotics, some antiemetics in which intravascular injection is wo sequale.
I can only hope her practice of NOT aspirating is based upon a strong fund of knowledge on those drugs being injected and on what would/could happen if .....
All that being said 99.9% of the time NBD, unless YOU are in the 0.1% category and discover aspiration could have eliminated a foreseeable "bad outcome".
JIM
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I think it's important those on PED forums try to help novices by teaching the safest method FIRST and disavow the notion proficiency can be sacrificed for efficiency during that learning process.
I mean bad habits die slowly, and are much more difficult to rectify once established.
Thereafter as one becomes more knowledgable, understands their anatomy, deviations are reasonable IMO.
JIM
I mean bad habits die slowly, and are much more difficult to rectify once established.
Thereafter as one becomes more knowledgable, understands their anatomy, deviations are reasonable IMO.
JIM
Dr. Savage
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I can definitely second this. Sweated like crazy was coughing my lungs up and literally got to my knees wondering if I was dyingHad a buddy hit a vein with Tren he said he thought he was dying
I agree with you. Just saying I never heard of anyone requiring medical attention, and I'm old. You are the man though and encourage members to follow your instructions.
Sledge762
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I agree with Jim. Always aspirate. It takes literally 2 seconds to draw the plunger back a tiny bit.and that's all you need.
I've injected my quads over 100 times this winter, aspirated every time, got blood for the first time the other day.
As for the Tren cough that's if you knick a vein and get a little bit of oil through the lungs. Can happen with any AAS though. You can usually feel it in the back of your throat first, in that case withdraw the needle and relocate. Otherwise you're in for 5 minutes of death coughing, and you better hope your old lady isn't home because she'll throw out your stash after hearing that one!
I've injected my quads over 100 times this winter, aspirated every time, got blood for the first time the other day.
As for the Tren cough that's if you knick a vein and get a little bit of oil through the lungs. Can happen with any AAS though. You can usually feel it in the back of your throat first, in that case withdraw the needle and relocate. Otherwise you're in for 5 minutes of death coughing, and you better hope your old lady isn't home because she'll throw out your stash after hearing that one!
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