Injecting testosterone subcutaneously

[rmarganti]

Glad to hear you're dialed in rmarganti! I was very content with a very similar protocal, as you know. However, I have tweaked it, to daily injections of testosterone propionate. I am know using 1/2" 30g syringes and injecting into delts, thighs (shallow IM) and abdomen (SQ).
What a difference! Wow!

I forgot to ask you one other thing Blazerone. What is the advantage of the propionate form of T you are using compared to the cyponate version I am using? I have a doctors appointment later this week and would like to discuss it with my MD.

 

[Blazerone]

I forgot to ask you one other thing Blazerone. What is the advantage of the propionate form of T you are using compared to the cyponate version I am using? I have a doctors appointment later this week and would like to discuss it with my MD.

I have injected cypionate and enanthate SQ and IM weekly, every 3 days, 2days and daily and TRT benefits still didn't last until next injection (crash feeling as well), even though labs were normal to high normal. However, propionate worked OK every 2 days and GREAT at daily dosing. I believe I read somewhere that the slow acting esters just don't agree with some people. Also, propionate has a much better sense of well being. It's night and day difference for me.

 

[rmarganti]

I have injected cypionate and enanthate SQ and IM weekly, every 3 days, 2days and daily and TRT benefits still didn't last until next injection (crash feeling as well), even though labs were normal to high normal. However, propionate worked OK every 2 days and GREAT at daily dosing. I believe I read somewhere that the slow acting esters just don't agree with some people. Also, propionate has a much better sense of well being. It's night and day difference for me.

Thanks Blazerone. Did your weekly doses remain the same when switching from one type of T to the other, or when changing the frequency?

 

[Blazerone]

Thanks Blazerone. Did your weekly doses remain the same when switching from one type of T to the other, or when changing the frequency?

Yes, however T levels went up a little (as expected) when I switched to propionate. Cypionate and Enanthate are 70% and 72% testosterone and propionate is almost 84% testosterone.

 

[rmarganti]

Yes, however T levels went up a little (as expected) when I switched to propionate. Cypionate and Enanthate are 70% and 72% testosterone and propionate is almost 84% testosterone.

One last question and I'll leave you alone for a while. How does the viscosity of propionate compare to cypionate? Right now I use a .5 cc, 5/16", 31 GA pin for my injections. It takes me about 30 seconds to draw .11 dose into the needle.

Thanks for all your help and advice. Due to your input, and the input of other members I feel great switching from twice weekly injections with a larger needle, to every other day injections with a SLIN. I'm 52 and I feel like I'm 42. Like you I respond well to minute doses (.025 mg) of Arimidex (I buy the liquid stuff cause it's cheaper). I can ususaly tell by my symptoms when my E creeps up. I get a little tenderness in my right nipple and the quality of my erections goes down. .025 mg of my liquidex when needed, every week or 2, tunes me right up.

 

[Blazerone]

One last question and I'll leave you alone for a while. How does the viscosity of propionate compare to cypionate? Right now I use a .5 cc, 5/16", 31 GA pin for my injections. It takes me about 30 seconds to draw .11 dose into the needle.

Thanks for all your help and advice. Due to your input, and the input of other members I feel great switching from twice weekly injections with a larger needle, to every other day injections with a SLIN. I'm 52 and I feel like I'm 42. Like you I respond well to minute doses (.025 mg) of Arimidex (I buy the liquid stuff cause it's cheaper). I can ususaly tell by my symptoms when my E creeps up. I get a little tenderness in my right nipple and the quality of my erections goes down. .025 mg of my liquidex when needed, every week or 2, tunes me right up.

No problem rmarganti. It depends on the oil they use in the propionate. I've had some that were very thin and some that were thicker. However, most propionate is 100mg/ml so you will be drawing up twice as much if your cypionate is 200mg/ml.

I use a .3 cc, 1/2", 30 GA and it doesn't take me much longer to draw twice as much propionate.

Are you taking 77mg/week of testosterone or is your cypionate 250mg/ml?

Also, do you mind me asking what you pay for your liquidex?

 

[rmarganti]

No problem rmarganti. It depends on the oil they use in the propionate. I've had some that were very thin and some that were thicker. However, most propionate is 100mg/ml so you will be drawing up twice as much if your cypionate is 200mg/ml.

I use a .3 cc, 1/2", 30 GA and it doesn't take me much longer to draw twice as much propionate.

Are you taking 77mg/week of testosterone or is your cypionate 250mg/ml?

Also, do you mind me asking what you pay for your liquidex?

That's correct. I take 77 mg/week of Testosterone Cypionate. It's 200 mg/ml strength. I'm always tempted to increase my weekly dosage, but I feel pretty damn good and don't want to mess that up. I take 300 mg of HCG every-other day (1,050 mg weekly). I find that a little liquidex will increase my ball size better than an increae in my HCG dosage. So I thought about increasing my test dosage, decresing my HCG, and adding more liquidex as needed. What do you think?
I paid $46.74 for the loiquidex. It was on sale for 15% off. It's a 30 ml bottel and the strength is 1 mg/ml. The shelf life according to the seller is 1 year at room temparature. With the doses and frequency that I use the stuff, it'll probably last me a year. If you want the source you can PM me and I'll send you the web address.

 

[Blazerone]

That's correct. I take 77 mg/week of Testosterone Cypionate. It's 200 mg/ml strength. I'm always tempted to increase my weekly dosage, but I feel pretty damn good and don't want to mess that up. I take 300 mg of HCG every-other day (1,050 mg weekly). I find that a little liquidex will increase my ball size better than an increae in my HCG dosage. So I thought about increasing my test dosage, decresing my HCG, and adding more liquidex as needed. What do you think?
I paid $46.74 for the loiquidex. It was on sale for 15% off. It's a 30 ml bottel and the strength is 1 mg/ml. The shelf life according to the seller is 1 year at room temparature. With the doses and frequency that I use the stuff, it'll probably last me a year. If you want the source you can PM me and I'll send you the web address.

That's a fairly high weekly dose of hcg. I take 300iu hcg two times a week and 17mg testosterone daily (119mg/week). Anyway - If you're dialed-in I don't believe the hcg is too far off the mark. However, I read somewhere that taking 'more' hcg doesn't do 'more' for you. I may have to try this out myself.

 

[rmarganti]

Do you have any experience with GHRP's? I ordered some "Ipamorelin" to see if it helps my sleep. They say it also aids in recovery and reducing bodyfat. I plan to pin 100 mcg before bed nightly, and 100 mcg 30 minutes before my workouts. I workout 3 times per week.

 

[Blazerone]

Do you have any experience with GHRP's? I ordered some "Ipamorelin" to see if it helps my sleep. They say it also aids in recovery and reducing bodyfat. I plan to pin 100 mcg before bed nightly, and 100 mcg 30 minutes before my workouts. I workout 3 times per week.

I don't but keep me posted.

 

[rmarganti]

I found a good source for the Ipamorelin. I can get it as cheap as $10 per 2 mg vial (20 x 100 mcg doses). I took my first injection last night before bed. I used ony 1/2 a dose (50 mcg) because I've read a side effect can be a head rush. I did not experience this. I slept well and woke up a little more refreshed than normal. I was hungry too. This morning I took the full dose (100 mcg) and did not experience any adverse side effects. I had a great appetite and took the wife out for a big breakfast. I experienced a sense of well-bieng today too and my sex drive appeared to be a little higher than normal. It could be a placebo effect. too soon to tell. As I said in my ealrlier post, I plan to take the Ipam nightly and before workouts (1 extra dose 3 X weekly). I'm after better sleep, reduced bodyfat, and better workout recuperation. I'll keep you posted.

 

[bax]

Ipamorelins good stuff. Pretty gentle give a nice mellow feeling. If you can combine it w the mod grf it's pretty potent.

 

[rmarganti]

Ipamorelins good stuff. Pretty gentle give a nice mellow feeling. If you can combine it w the mod grf it's pretty potent.

I can purchase MOD GRF 1-29 (CJC-1295 W/O DAC 2 MG) from the same site. Is that what your taling about? If so, is it ok to mix it with the Ipamorelin in the same pin? I've got my wife taking the Ipam too. However, after doing a little research I think she might be better off with the CJC-1295, since it is more of a sustained release than the Ipam. According to what I've read The CJC-1295 more closely mimics a females GH porduction (sustained low level release) VS a males short bursts.

 

[Beastin]

There are at least a couple of people on the forums who are apparently successfully doing their weekly testosterone (cypionate or enanthate) injections subcutaneously as opposed to the "recommended" intramuscular way. I'm wondering if there is a reason why subcutaneous injection might be suitable (apparently) for some people but not for others . . . is it a difference in physiology, vascularity, body fat levels, or what? Or is it really never a good idea to make a T injection subcutaneously? Is a subcutaneous injection more likely to cause an abnormally slow release of T, or an abnormally fast release? Is it more likely to cause tissue damage and/or pain? Why was it established that T injections should be made intramuscularly? Are there any studies proving one way is better than the other? Or is this just another case of well, it's always been done that way so that must be the way to do it? etc., etc. Thanks for any insight.

To put it in lamens terms it comes down to absorption. IM is the best way end of story, you'll never properly absorb test in a oil sub q.
Frank

To put it in lamens terms it comes down to absorption. IM is the best way end of story, you'll never properly absorb test in a oil sub q.

 

[wes_mantooth]

To put it in lamens terms it comes down to absorption. IM is the best way end of story, you'll never properly absorb test in a oil sub q.

Why are many moving to subQ for TRT then? Not arguing... just asking.

 

[Blazerone]

To put it in lamens terms it comes down to absorption. IM is the best way end of story, you'll never properly absorb test in a oil sub q.

I respectfully disagree. IM may work the best for some/many but not all. I cannot tolerate cypionate or enanthate IM but can tolerate it SQ. On the other hand I can tolerate propionate IM but not SQ.

 

[Beastin]

Why are many moving to subQ for TRT then? Not arguing... just asking.

I don't know a single person on trt pinning sub q and I'm serious in the steroid world. Now I'm not saying I have never heard of it I'm just saying I don't know anyone. If I had to guess why is because they're pussys and afraid to pin IM.

 

[wes_mantooth]

I don't know a single person on trt pinning sub q and I'm serious in the steroid world. Now I'm not saying I have never heard of it I'm just saying I don't know anyone. If I had to guess why is because they're pussys and afraid to pin IM.

Count me as one of the pussies in that case. You've never heard of Dr. Crisler or any of the patients he has doing it? There are tons of people doing subQ. Supposedly steadier levels, less aromatization, etc. You disagree with that approach?

 

[Beastin]

I respectfully disagree. IM may work the best for some/many but not all. I cannot tolerate cypionate or enanthate IM but can tolerate it SQ. On the other hand I can tolerate propionate IM but not SQ.

You can diagree but you can't argue science!! Do some research and you wont find one study saying sub Q is better then IM when it comes to absorption of any anabolic steroid

 

[wes_mantooth]

You can diagree but you can't argue science!! Do some research and you wont find one study saying sub Q is better then IM when it comes to absorption of any anabolic steroid

I'm not even disagreeing. I'm just asking. I was under the impression a lot of guys were moving towards this and I see it on the boards constantly. I'd love to know some of the science that shows IM is better.