You the man. Very helpful
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
TRT
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This is why I like Meso.
I was thinking the same thing. Splitting an X amount of GH for morning upon waking and then pre-workout and before bed. Take advantage of the crucial times.
Here's my problem though.
I wake at 4-430am and not home till 430 and in the gym by 530 at the latest. Then in bed by 9pm. Should I shoot the GH and slin when I get home and then the rest pre-bedtime?
ChestRockwell
Well-known Member
Fundamentally, don't try and overthink the timing and focus rather on some elementary usage guidelines:
- Smaller doses of GH elicit a smaller endocrine IGF-1 response than larger bolus doses which may be preferential for hypertrophy potential
- GH signaling pathways require insulin stimulation between activation to prevent suppression
- Certain insulin analogs have greater affinity to IGF receptors than others
- Smaller doses of GH elicit a smaller endocrine IGF-1 response than larger bolus doses which may be preferential for hypertrophy potential
- GH signaling pathways require insulin stimulation between activation to prevent suppression
- Certain insulin analogs have greater affinity to IGF receptors than others
Youd still be in the active life of that slin when u went to bed...
GH and slin pre workout, then second GH pin pre bed...
Are you more of an ecto or endo morph? For endos, I think running slin w/ meals (non-preworkout) tends to lead to fat gain. But for ectos running slin with a meal (AM) then again pre workout (I'd do humalog both times) is nice. If you're endo, just humulin pre or humalog, whichever you prefer.
I have tried running the slin with meals and hGH and it makes me fat.... But, just pre workout and I don't gain any fat.
He's fine with Humalog. If he does an intra and post shake, then a shake before bed, I feel 100% confident nothing at all is to be concerned about. I pin humalog around 5:30, bed at 9:30 all the time. Never once had an issue. If you take the right amount of carbs, and run low-ish insulin (~10ius) the risk of going hypo is almost non-existent.
johntt44
Member
In a most delightful way....
Can you expand on this?
No sir!
How do you avoid what? Becoming diabetic from using insulin? Where did you hear this?
Realistically you can put on some serious weight and size. How much will you keep is questionable. I would say very minimal.
mands
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Just trying to break thru the cloud of BS in here.
So just like an AAS cycle? You will always lose some when you go back to trt. So GH and insulin would also set you back some as well? Regardless, i would think its an excellent way to break plateaus? I find once i break thru a barrier whether i lose some or not after its done i can always "recall" that info very very fast on the next cycle. Then progress past that point. Or is there another way?
TRT
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I'm an ectomorph.
Actually Humalin R in the morning and log in the afternoon but I can always shoot more GH during the peaks of R. I know I'm gonna get bashed but fuck it. I've gone to bed right a peak but I had stuffed my face and had done 10ius. I'm an ectomorph and can get away with it...somewhat. ha
Tell me about it. This will be my first time throwing down GH.
I would say for the most part you would lose more than a typical AAS cycle IMO.
I would agree that it can definitely surpass some plateaus as far as weight gain and PR's.
mands
Have you found any alternatives to keeping MORE of the gains after insulin use is done for in a typical cycle? GH manipulation maybe? Or just accept it as the way it goes with the mighty insulin?
ChestRockwell
Well-known Member
Remember folks, actual increases in skeletal tissue mass is not an acute process. You won't "lose" actual tissue simply because you stop using a specific compound.
Much of what people think they lose coming off particular compound stack designs will be extracellular water and/or glycogen contents.
It takes quite some time to atrophy skeletal muscle tissue when maintaining a bodybuilder lifestyle.
Much of what people think they lose coming off particular compound stack designs will be extracellular water and/or glycogen contents.
It takes quite some time to atrophy skeletal muscle tissue when maintaining a bodybuilder lifestyle.
Yeah i know. But those "swole" gains are the quickest to come and quickest to go.
ChestRockwell
Well-known Member
Water can be manipulated quite easy with dietary design and electrolytes. Certain hormones just make it easier...
Thank you... I'm glad you are understanding the way this works...
So we've established slin is dangerous and isn't for everyone. The fact still remains that guys are still going to use exogenous insulin and because of this fact we MUST talk safety.
Users should make sure they understand how and when to inject, and a grasp of fast vs slow acting insulin is imperative...
Peak times should be observed and simple sugars/carbs need always be in reach. I will work on a list of insulins and their peak times etc...
gr8whitetrukker has the right idea as far as using this thread to keep guys safe. Let's agree we won't all see eye to eye on the use of insulin being benefit or danger and let's shift topic to insulin facts and smart use.
http://www.basskilleronline.com/insulin.shtml (www.basskilleronline.com/insulin.shtml)
Away we go....
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Got a question...
Insulin has to be refrigerated right? So essentially i would have to carry an additional cooler pack along with the massive daily food cooler i already have with me everyday? Like a smaller one? Preload a slin pin for maybe a second shot at lunch time?
Insulin has to be refrigerated right? So essentially i would have to carry an additional cooler pack along with the massive daily food cooler i already have with me everyday? Like a smaller one? Preload a slin pin for maybe a second shot at lunch time?
ChestRockwell
Well-known Member
Yes, I invested in a "cooler pack" that is common for diabetics to travel with. They are very cheap and can be discrete.
