Is this legit watson?

[Dr JIM]

So in other words I've made no direct or indirect comments that even imply DS is selling BUNK gear. Instead it was your assumption, based on those few generalized statements I've made about UGLs that have scammed mates, the inference was DS specifically, wrong!

Again believe what you like BUT you have devoted an inordinate amount of time defending DS as a "source". In fact your commitment to DS seems blatantly obvious not only to myself, but to several other Meso members based on their posts alone. Although I did not even consider the issue at the onset of this thread, it's apparent you have an agenda that is very much pro DS.

No I did not "talk with him", and have no intentions of doing so. The suggestion is lubricous bc I could care less what DS does and I don't recruit sources for Meso LMAO. Moreover as Ive said previously if a source WANTS to be on Meso that's where they will be, it's open 24/7 last time I checked.

By FDA/USP regulations pharm products MUST meet a particular quality and concentration standard and comparing ANY UGL in that manner is like comparing apples to oranges. As a consequence pharm re-salers have no need to "re-test" the products forwarded by wholesalers while that is NOT the case with UGLs at all.

 

[jackmeoff1]

Yea we have seen you post this form of BS before, now how about you FINALLY post some damn evidence Jacking Off No Nothing!

If I remember correctly YOU posted in support of the arbitrary "rule" and when asked to back it up with evidence you eventually crawled back in your own ass.

You seem to not have a firm grasp on science. I'm saying there is NO rule. You are saying there is. The bourdon of evidence lies on you.

Please don't make me prove what a fool you are all over again.

 

[Dr JIM]

Bla bla bla, I've already posted evidence (try the last thread where you posted this same garbage) but your obviously deaf and dumb which enables you to ignore FACTUAL INFO!

Why of course you don't remember correctly numb nuts, you suddenly disappeared after I posted the very "evidence" you contend does not exist, WRONG!

The TEN TIMES RULE APPLIES TO TRT, PEAK VALUES after steady state levels are achieved. I'm not going to argue this point further with a scientific idiot as yourself, so go Jack Off somewhere else with your attention seeking No Nothing, Spetz Lab BULLSHIT!

 

[jackmeoff1]

Iv

MAD, LMAO! Seriously are you joking AGAIN, I've only made what I believe is a statement of FACT about the source you SEEM so protective of.

CAn YOU locate ONE post on that thread where anyone questions the quality of DS's products?? I thought there was one or two BUT immediately thereafter some DS supporter sets the record straight CEO.

DS sells his AAS on a VERY protective AAS forum where criticism is quickly skewered by obvious shills. So there is NO WAY this guy would last here bc that type of BS doesn't sit well with most Meso members and in that regard you better believe it we are BIASED!

I have questioned the quality of DS over at meso. I even created a thread about it.

You are right, it is to no avail.

 

[A-a-Ron]

Just for arguments sake, let's say a UGL just wanted to move some gear and label it as Watson to move product and dosed it properly. could one tell through Mass Spec that it was a counterfeit, albeit not bunk? And would there be enough difference between Watson batches where you could never have a control? I'm just curious.

 

[jackmeoff1]

Y

Bla bla bla, I've already posted evidence (try the last thread where you posted this same garbage) but your obviously deaf and dumb which enables you to ignore FACTUAL INFO!

your evidence was a post by Scally which was nothing more than an observation.

I found it comical that when proved wrong you ran from the thread like a coward.

You speak nothing from science. You might fool some but not all. I will continue to expose you as nothing more than a trouble maker.

 

[jackmeoff1]

Just for arguments sake, let's say a UGL just wanted to move some gear and label it as Watson to move product and dosed it properly. could one tell through Mass Spec that it was a counterfeit, albeit not bunk? And would there be enough difference between Watson batches where you could never have a control? I'm just curious.

If mass spec showed it to be 99% pure you couldn't tell It is Watson, but at that point it wouldn't matter.

The difference between the raw material Watson gets and what a UGL gets is huge.

 

[Dr JIM]

Iv

I have questioned the quality of DS over at meso. I even created a thread about it.

You are right, it is to no avail.

Yea well, you questioning the quality of any UGL products, excepting Spetz whom you ostensibly shill for, is like having the cat guard the hen house, lol!

I have NOT questioned the quality of DS products on Meso or elsewhere bc I've no direct or indirect evidence to support that assertion.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Y

your evidence was a post by Scally which was nothing more than an observation.

I found it comical that when proved wrong you ran from the thread like a coward.

You speak nothing from science. You might fool some but not all. I will continue to expose you as nothing more than a trouble maker.

The only thing you've ever exposed is your pathetic little pecker on a crowded playground. Evidence WAS posted on that thread by Dr Jim, Lightspan and me. You and your partner in crime, KnowNothing, refused to accept overwhelming evidence because your agenda wouldn't allow it, but you don't get to infect another thread and say no evidence was posted. Get it? Probably not.

BTW, it was YOU who "ran from the thread like a coward" when evidence was posted. It was also YOU who ran like a coward when you were exposed in another thread as a Spetz accomplice. In fact, all of your associates - HardbodyGirl, KnowNothing, Spetz - suddenly became scarce. Funny how that works, isn't it? LMFAO

 

[Dr JIM]

Y

your evidence was a post by Scally which was nothing more than an observation.

I found it comical that when proved wrong you ran from the thread like a coward.

You speak nothing from science. You might fool some but not all. I will continue to expose you as nothing more than a trouble maker.

Yea well isn't that typical for a clown like yourself. Bozo it seems in your haste to breeze out the back door you overlooked, ignored, and/or dismissed the evidence I posted
.
Yet perhaps the real issue is your inability to read, bc the proof I'm referring to was an article from the NEJM, (ever heard of that one, lol) rather than a related summary of Dr Scally's experience regarding TT levels in patients on TRT, (not to dismiss the supportive relevance of such data).

Where and how people of your ilk concoct such garbage is beyond reason. But rest assured it's destined to fall on deaf ears since folk here KNOW who is FOS, and it damn sure is NOT yours truly, LMAO!

 

[ceo]

Underline and post ONE comment where I even imply your boy DS sells "bunko gear"!

Very well then.
To imply also means to indirectly hint, suggest, insinuate, etc.

Really! Well IF there is even ONE I'd love to enlightened, bc to my knowledge ALL have rightfully been accused of scamming Meso members, IME!

Thus IMO none can be trusted or are trustworthy! Simply put their reputation precedes them.

When you directly state "none [sources] can be trusted or are trustworthy," the implication is that they are scamming. What else could it be? At least that is what the readers infer.

Crap if mates on this forum have learned one thing it's to NOT trust UGL bc they are NOT trustworthy and that void was created by UGL screwing people, period!

another implication, same as the first, above.

If DS doesn't want to face genuine scrutiny by coming to Meso he can remain on EVO and continue to live a sheltered life on a forum where "bias" is an inherent administrative feature.

This is not really an implication since you directly refer to DS. To say he doesn't want to face scrutiny makes it sound as if you have first hand knowledge. You appear to be stating a fact that DS is hiding something, living a sheltered life on a forum where the admin shelters him (nothing could be further from the truth there).

I could continue, but I'm growing tired of this already. You asked, then berated me when I didn't directly comply, so I humored you.

 

[Dr JIM]

Very well then.
To imply also means to indirectly hint, suggest, insinuate, etc.



When you directly state "none [sources] can be trusted or are trustworthy," the implication is that they are scamming. What else could it be? At least that is what the readers infer.



another implication, same as the first, above.




This is not really an implication since you directly refer to DS. To say he doesn't want to face scrutiny makes it sound as if you have first hand knowledge. You appear to be stating a fact that DS is hiding something, living a sheltered life on a forum where the admin shelters him (nothing could be further from the truth there).

I could continue, but I'm growing tired of this already. You asked, then berated me when I didn't directly comply, so I humored you.

Goodness now your desperate, bc those were clearly generalized comments that apply to UGL, especially NEW ones that have posted on Meso, (and I even clarified that point when you queried initially) until they prove themselves worthy of being trusted, but in no way was DS singled out or specifically mentioned as being a scamming source.

Believe me if I knew or had evidence DS was screwing mates I would not hesitate to post it. And rest assured you would not have to read between the lines, bc there would be NO DOUBT about which lab I was referring to, lol!

I really don't know what your point is CEO, but I've never come across someone so intent on making an issue out of a non-issue, or a mountain out of a mole hill UNLESS they have a vested interest in the outcome, so what gives with you in that regard fella.

 

[ceo]

So in other words I've made no direct or indirect comments that even imply DS is selling BUNK gear. Instead it was your assumption, based on those few generalized statements I've made about UGLs that have scammed mates, the inference was DS specifically, wrong!

I've shown you now. Happy?

Again believe what you like BUT you have devoted an inordinate amount of time defending DS as a "source". In fact your commitment to DS seems blatantly obvious not only to myself, but to several other Meso members based on their posts alone. Although I did not even consider the issue at the onset of this thread, it's apparent you have an agenda that is very much pro DS.

I've never met an ER doc or Trauma Surgeon or a Sports Med Physician with as much free time as you seem to have either. And I've worked with several.

I am committed to defending myself when attacked. And yes, I will defend my friends as well. Who wouldn't? I've done little in here to defend him actually. You are inferring. But I am pro DS. In all of my experience with him he has been a great source. I know it's taboo to say that here, but if someone is going to use a source anyway, why wouldn't I tell them about the best one I know? Wouldn't that be the best thing I could do? I would be remiss if I just told them "good luck," knowing that they would go out and play Russian Roulette.

No I did not "talk with him", and have no intentions of doing so. The suggestion is lubricous bc I could care less what DS does and I don't recruit sources for Meso LMAO. Moreover as Ive said previously if a source WANTS to be on Meso that's where they will be, it's open 24/7 last time I checked.

You sure seem to care a whole hell of a lot actually. You care that he is not here to stand up to meso scrutiny. I assume you meant to type ludicrous and not lubricous (lubricious -sp?) because lubricious just wouldn't make sense at all.

But if you truly could care less, then drop the issue about him coming here. At least drop it with me. Because I don't care if he comes here either. Stop attacking me about anything to do with him. Talk to him if you want to address him. Don't talk to me about it.

By FDA/USP regulations pharm products MUST meet a particular quality and concentration standard and comparing ANY UGL in that manner is like comparing apples to oranges. As a consequence pharm re-salers have no need to "re-test" the products forwarded by wholesalers while that is NOT the case with UGLs at all.

I'm not sure if this was directed towards me. If it was, I don't understand the relevance.
Was it in reference to my statements about even BigPharma (or pharmaceutical companies in general for that matter) having products recalled...well I sure hope you are not trying to imply OR infer that it does not nor could not happen. If it weren't even a possibility why would the FDA have a section of their website dedicated to it?

http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/drugsafety/DrugRecalls/default.htm
Here is just 2014 alone: (note all the mocrobial and bacterial contaminations, visible particulates, undeclared ingredients...). Scandalous!
2014

• 12/31/2014 http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm428683.htm
• 12/23/2014 http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm427952.htm
• 12/12/2014 http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm426894.htm
• 12/11/2014 http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm426879.htm
• 11/24/2014 http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm424470.htm
• 11/20/2014 http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm424248.htm
• 10/20/2014 http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm419740.htm
• 10/16/2014 http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm419308.htm
• 10/14/2014 http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm418879.htm
• 10/09/2014 http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm418324.htm
• 10/07/2014 http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm418028.htm
• 10/03/2014 http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm417357.htm
• 09/16/2014 http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm414842.htm
• 09/11/2014 http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm414201.htm
• 09/06/2014 http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm413052.htm
• 08/27/2014 http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm412431.htm
• 08/14/2014 http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm410010.htm
• 08/13/2014 http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm410011.htm
• 06/24/2014 http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm409899.htm
• 08/08/2014 http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm408928.htm
• 08/06/2014 http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm408576.htm
• 07/29/2014 http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm407169.htm
• 07/21/2014 http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm405989.htm
• 07/14/2014 http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm405469.htm
• 07/10/2014 http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm404590.htm
• 06/30/2014 http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm403501.htm
• 06/17/2014 http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm401592.htm
• 06/02/2014 http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm399527.htm
• 05/28/2014 http://www.fda.gov/MedicalDevices/Safety/ListofRecalls/ucm399124.htm
• 05/21/2014 http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm398488.htm
• 05/16/2014 http://www.fda.gov/Safety/MedWatch/SafetyInformation/SafetyAlertsforHumanMedicalProducts/ucm397775.htm
• 05/15/2014 http://www.fda.gov/Safety/MedWatch/SafetyInformation/SafetyAlertsforHumanMedicalProducts/ucm397449.htm
• 05/14/2014 http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm397339.htm
• 04/21/2014 http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm394340.htm
• 04/18/2014 http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm394020.htm
• 04/18/2014 http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm393961.htm
• 04/17/2014 http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm393849.htm
• 03/14/2014 http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm389300.htm
• 03/12/2014 http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm389293.htm
• 03/12/2014 http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm389049.htm
• 03/06/2014 http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm388329.htm
• 03/05/2014 http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm388139.htm
• 02/14/2014 http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm386125.htm
• 02/04/2014 http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm386115.htm
• 01/16/2014 http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm382076.htm

 

[ceo]

Goodness now your desperate, bc those were clearly generalized comments that apply to UGL, especially NEW ones that have posted on Meso, (and I even clarified that point when you queried initially) until they prove themselves worthy of being trusted, but in no way was DS singled out or specifically mentioned as being a scamming source.

Believe me if I knew or had evidence DS was screwing mates I would not hesitate to post it. And rest assured you would not have to read between the lines, bc there would be NO DOUBT about which lab I was referring to, lol!

I really don't know what your point is CEO, but I've never come across someone so intent on making an issue out of a non-issue, or a mountain out of a mole hill UNLESS they have a vested interest in the outcome, so what gives with you in that regard fella.

no sir, it is the very definition of imply and infer. It is exactly what you did. I knew you would come back with something like this. You're one of those types that can never be wrong. Maybe you really are a surgeon. They are usually the most arrogant.

You said the ones that post on meso have all proven to be scammers thereby meaning you cannot trust ANY of them. That was the implication there. I clearly pointed that out.

My point is you are attacking me all for nothing so I'm going to punch back. You don't like it? I've asked you why and asked you to stop. So there you are. If I started attacking you you damn well know that you would attack me back. I have seen you do it many times in my limited recent time spent on this board, here in this very thread in fact.

 

[Dr JIM]

LMAO where is the review of UGL products for an evidence based comparison. That's right there is NO COMPARISON WHATSOEVER!

Finally I could care less if DS comes to Meso but he certainly has reason NOT TO based on your own admission.

 

[Dr JIM]

no sir, it is the very definition of imply and infer. It is exactly what you did. I knew you would come back with something like this. You're one of those types that can never be wrong. Maybe you really are a surgeon. They are usually the most arrogant.

You said the ones that post on meso have all proven to be scammers thereby meaning you cannot trust ANY of them. That was the implication there. I clearly pointed that out.

My point is you are attacking me all for nothing so I'm going to punch back. You don't like it? I've asked you why and asked you to stop. So there you are. If I started attacking you you damn well know that you would attack me back. I have seen you do it many times in my limited recent time spent on this board, here in this very thread in fact.

Go locate someone else to argue semantics with bc I know what I posted and the intent of those posts much better than you fella. However you can still wrongly interpret those comments to your liking, it's a free country.

Oh incidentally in case you haven't noticed this is an AAS forum where testosterone often oozes out of computer screens. It's not a bedside or a doctors office where the mission, objectives and rationale for one's visit are much different.

Finally you seem to use the word "attack' much more loosely than most, bc Iv'e only asked you to define your position on certain issues that have arisen and that's what an uncensored board is intended to accomplish.

Now if you discover fielding trite questions from Meso members, is analogous to being "attacked" from your perspective, perhaps it's best you avoid "source" threads of this nature.

 

[ceo]

LMAO where is the review of UGL products for an evidence based comparison. That's right there is NO COMPARISON WHATSOEVER!

Finally I could care less if DS comes to Meso but he certainly has reason NOT TO based on your own admission.

UGLs are not regulated obviously, but I'm sure if all the boards pooled together and shared info they could come up with a list much, much longer of bad UGLs, than the list of recalled drugs I posted. I do not disagree and am not defending that position at all.

I don't know what reason DS has to come here or not to come here. I don't know what admission I allegedly made that you are referring to. I don't even know if DS has looked at this board in years. He got away from the boards for many years and has only recently come back to a couple, but he doesn't like to be on the boards. He likes to live his life offline as much as possible. Can't say I blame him.

 

[ceo]

Go locate someone else to argue semantics with bc I know what I posted and the intent of those posts much better than you fella. However you can still wrongly interpret those comments to your liking, it's a free country.

Oh incidentally in case you haven't noticed this is an AAS forum where testosterone often oozes out of computer screens. It's not a bedside or a doctors office where the mission, objectives and rationale for one's visit are much different.

So you're only an asshole online?

What your intent may or may not have been means little. Ever hear the saying "the road to hell is paved with good intentions"? If I "wrongly" interpreted them, who is to say how many others did interpret them the same way?

I do hope this is the end of our debate. I am sure you are busy saving lives. I know I have work to do as well. Good night Doctor.

 

[Dr JIM]

no sir, it is the very definition of imply and infer. It is exactly what you did. I knew you would come back with something like this. You're one of those types that can never be wrong. Maybe you really are a surgeon. They are usually the most arrogant.

You said the ones that post on meso have all proven to be scammers thereby meaning you cannot trust ANY of them. That was the implication there. I clearly pointed that out.

My point is you are attacking me all for nothing so I'm going to punch back. You don't like it? I've asked you why and asked you to stop. So there you are. If I started attacking you you damn well know that you would attack me back. I have seen you do it many times in my limited recent time spent on this board, here in this very thread in fact.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

I am committed to defending myself when attacked. And yes, I will defend my friends as well.

You consider sources as friends? Do you and DS play golf on Friday mornings while negotiating your next order?

He's someone with whom you have a business arrangement. Nothing more, nothing less. He most certainly isn't your friend. Unless...

I've done little in here to defend him actually.

Actually, you've been doing quite a lot.

But I am pro DS.

Obviously.

In all of my experience with him he has been a great source. I know it's taboo to say that here, but if someone is going to use a source anyway, why wouldn't I tell them about the best one I know?

It's not taboo to say that here. But when you continue defending and saying he's the greatest source in the history of sources - page after page - it begins to look a little less like just stating your opinion and a lot more like advocating.

You talk about infer and imply? Well, I'm beginning to infer that what you're implying is more than a simple customer/business relationship. That might not be the case but I've seen very few people on these message boards devote this much time to a particular source without a vested interest.