Lemons first cut cycle.

[Ferenor]

Lol
I dint know if it's just me, but tren definitely is not the monster I thought it would be.
I'm almost at week 4 and I feel great.

Enhanced and more pleasant mood, if anything im more patient
Great sex drive, but not too crazy because I'm only on cruise test.
A LITTLE Trensomnia, but nothing a few puffs of hash and some melatonin can't take care of
No androgenic sides, acne etc is under control and gtg.
The night sweats fucking suck
and the tren cough fucking sucks lol
Cardio has taken a minor hit, but not too bad.

All quite controllable and I'm feeling good

I see lot of people telling to others to run high test but i tried trt test and tren, I felt any of the sides of tren that I got in the past with higher test...

 

[jJjburton]

Keep it up!

Tren at realistic doses is so doable. Its the first and second time users who go straight to 600 test and 700 tren.

pinning tren more frequently makes a huge difference.

pinning 200 mg of tren MWF For 600 mg vs 100mg of tren M-Sat for 600. The ed injections will cut sides dramatically.

 

[Silentlemon1011]

I see lot of people telling to others to run high test but i tried trt test and tren, I felt any of the sides of tren that I got in the past with higher test...

Certainly seems like it.
Going into week 4 of ED Ave injections, I'm STARTING to see some sides, but nothing that cant be handled IMO

I mean, at the end of the day, it's all about the estrogenic environment within your body

Here is a nice flow chart on Prolactin
We can plainly see that Prolactin is created in a high estrogenic (amongst other things) environment.
By keeping low and stable estro, I've been pretty decent thus far

Keep it up!

Tren at realistic doses is so doable. Its the first and second time users who go straight to 600 test and 700 tren.

pinning tren more frequently makes a huge difference.

pinning 200 mg of tren MWF For 600 mg vs 100mg of tren M-Sat for 600. The ed injections will cut sides dramatically.

Thanks bro.

So far I'm managing well,
I actually missed one shot last week and I felt a bit shitty.
Other than that, I'm 50mg ED.

I was originally going to run 4 weeks only.
BUT
I'm thinking of cutting the Tren down to 25mg ED and adding 400 Primo a week.
Run 2 more weeks at 25mg ED, then switch to a Primo/GH cruise.

 

[Spokeonawheel]

Bro....

You got me wanting to hop back on the tren train. For real.

 

[Silentlemon1011]

Well that was a bullshit weekend.

Averaged 20km a day for the last 3 days straight.
Legs are fucked, can't really walk right now.

Doesnt include the actual work I did (Forming and pouring)

Fuck the gym
each day was 17 hours.

Oh well, sleeping 5 hours and back at it tomorow
Hitting speed work on squats tomorow, need my sleep

 

[Silentlemon1011]

Quick update

Did speed work on squats yestersay as per @Worf suggested, switching up my squat routine to make some nice gains
Felt fucking amazing.
Went ass to grass as well
Feel more sore than I have in a LONG time, even though I was lifting relatively light.
I want to hit it again today, felt awesome LOL

Havnt weighed in for a while.
I'm now up to 235 lbs,
So 10 LBS in 3.5 weeks, VERY happy, looking drier too.

All Tren sides are officially gone
Feel amazing, looks like I've passed the hurdles and my body is accustomed to the tren now

 

[Silentlemon1011]

Hit some volume on bench today
Worked up to
225x14 PR (Previous was 13)
Failed on 15 attempt

1rm calculator says I can hit 330
So I'm about where I feel I should be.
I figure I'll YOLO that shit for 335
Using smelling salts and 20mg Halo to make up the difference
Not too sure when I'm going to try

What is your guys deload timing and protocol for a SERIOUS 1rm attempt?

Did some forearm work, biceps
Chest flys to finish out

 

[Perrin Aybara]

Deload the week of the attempt and max on Saturday. So either Tuesday and Thursday or Monday and Wednesday do 4x3 with 50% 1RM. Then Saturday warm up plus dynamic stretching.

Bar for reps
135 for 5-10
Then do 3's and 1's to ramp up
90% projected max x1
95% projected max x1
Max

 

[Silentlemon1011]

Deload the week of the attempt and max on Saturday. So either Tuesday and Thursday or Monday and Wednesday do 4x3 with 50% 1RM. Then Saturday warm up plus dynamic stretching.

Bar for reps
135 for 5-10
Then do 3's and 1's to ramp up
90% projected max x1
95% projected max x1
Max

Awesome

So, in that case I'll push for the following weekend.

So I'll hit a 80% max on Saturday for reps and hit my deload this coming week

Was thinking of doing a mock meet with some PL friends,
Might not be a bad time

 

[Btcowboy]

Deload the week of the attempt and max on Saturday. So either Tuesday and Thursday or Monday and Wednesday do 4x3 with 50% 1RM. Then Saturday warm up plus dynamic stretching.

Bar for reps
135 for 5-10
Then do 3's and 1's to ramp up
90% projected max x1
95% projected max x1
Max

Following thus for my attempt in 3 weeks

@Silentlemon1011 go for it brother

 

[Perrin Aybara]

Following thus for my attempt in 3 weeks

@Silentlemon1011 go for it brother

Absolutely. Do your three weeks of Smolov, follow the deload protocol, and then max. By the end of the deload you should be itching to murder some weights. If you are that's a good sign that you're peaking well.

 

[Oldschool]

Retinol A world for the big breakouts

But honestly, dish soap (Like Dawn or Sunlight) keeps me clear as fuck.
I usually dont have acne problems, but I ignored it this time since I was running low Test.
Now I've stopped the retinol for a while and i just wash my back/shoulders with Dawn and I am 100% clear.
This stuff is magic

But yeah if you're kn a pinch retinol is great

Lava soap works great on acne too. Weird I know but it works great.

 

[jJjburton]

What is your magnesium glycinate dosage? When do you take it?

 

[GrowingSeason36]

I figure while I'm here.
I might as well add in my current AAS journey from Chump to (Eventually) Champ.
Took 6 years off training, looked like a bitch.
I've done 2 cycles since I got back in the gym and back on that special sauce lol.

Before I started training my ass off in February/March 2019
Dem Titties are at least c cup lol
View attachment 131081
Struggled with a 135 bench, shook like a leaf.
Couldnt tie my shoes properly, back hurt too badly (2 slipped disks)

Current physique
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Sorry, noticed too late that the pic was shit and flash was on lol, it at least kinda shows my current build.
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Improved all my big lifts, particularly proud of my 315 PR on bench a few weeks ago.
1RM now has it at 325 (Apparently lol)

Basically I've been clean bulking for 1.5 years now
shave added a lot of mass, but this fat needs to be dealt with lol

EDIT
DL and squat have Improved drastically.
Had problems grabbing the bar even, now I'm on the road to a 500DL shortly
Gotta give all the credit to the PL crew, these guys have kept me motivated and healthy through my journey back to being in great shape.

I'm figuring, I'm 2 years (5 cycles) from being in a shape that I'm proud of.

Strong transformation man..

 

[jJjburton]

So, I'll be doing my first cutting cycle coming up.

Going to keep it short and sweet, only 4 weeks (Ala Bill Roberts)

Basic plan is a 1000 calorie deficit (I know , pretty fucking steep)

Current weight
230lb
6'1"
BF, too high.

I'll post up some physique pics later when I'm back in town, internet is SHIT out here.

Will be running.

100mg Test Cyp (Monday/Thursday Pins)
Basically TRT

350 mg Tren Ace (50mg ED pins)

Caber on hand.

Albuterol- 2mg 3x Daily
Cardarine 10mg ED to help with Tren cardio effects.

Epithalon 1mg ED PM
Prevent plaque buildup and Trensomnia (It SHOULDA work on paper, but this is more of an experiment.)

Contemplating adding 4iu GH, pinned AM/PM split
BUT, I've read that Prolactin can increase in the presence of Growth hormone, so if anyone has advice on this matter, let me know.

I'm VERY new to cutting cycles, but I really want to try one.. mostly so I can just get the experience of..
A. Tren
B. A cut on blast.

My diet will be 250 Grams protein, Carbs only PWO. and 30 grams carbs with breakfast (Need some energy in the AM)

I'm still sorting out macros, but I'm open to suggestions.
I've always just focused on ...
Protein intake.. and calories, I've never been a big Macros guy.
I'm just not at "That level" like a lot of guys on Meso are, where I compete or really need to be dialed in hard to bring their physique to the next level.

Current maintenance calls around between 3500-3700ish, depedant on how hard my work day is.

I'm thinking around 2500-2700 cals 5 days a week.
the other 2 days will be at 3500 cals... honestly just to keep myself going mentally so I dont give in to the cravings and get off track.
I'm actually pretty satisfied with 3500ish and dont get cravings.


Like I said before, super new to cutting cycles.
I've had decent success just cutting at a 300 calorie deficit over long time periods,

But I just REALLY want to experiment.
TBH... my enjoyment of AAS is the experience, science and discovery, almost as much as the physique.. so I'm always up for trying new stuff.

I've had solid success the past year and a half I've been in the gym on nice easy cycles.

I dont feel like I NEED Tren at all.

But I'm super excited to experiment with it, at least once.

Any advice or tailoring is greatly appreciated.

I'm not looking for Validation of my plan, I'm looking for straight up criticism from the multitude of guys that know better than me.

Thanks guys!

Are you doing 4 weeks on 4 weeks off, repeat? That would be interesting.

 

[Silentlemon1011]

What is your magnesium glycinate dosage? When do you take it?

200mg
maybe 1 hour before bed

Strong transformation man..

Thanks bro
Still a LONG way to go lol

Are you doing 4 weeks on 4 weeks off, repeat? That would be interesting.

Was thinking about it
But all my sides just left, so I'm going to just push it another 2 weeks
Dont want to have to go through another adjustment period with the tren lol

 

[Silentlemon1011]

Really need to post up more often.
Tiredness is starting to kick my ass.
Not too sure if it's the Tren... or approaching my 1 year anniversary of not having a SINGLE FUCKING day off. (September 4th)

Been hitting the weights hard.
Same shit as before, too tired to post up much right now and actually organize my training notes.
About to start another night shift right now.

Either way
Dropping tren to 175mg starting today
adding 400mg Primo for the last 2 weeks of my blast
Then I'll drop Primo to 200mg for my cruise with 200mg Test U.
Will keep on the 4iu GH as BG hasnt been effected.
I will start to see it creep up in about 2 more months from now, at which point I'll cut the GH out totally.

Figured I'd post a fun picture,
hitting some squats while my bro gets a nice brush burn going, just finished the work day at 8pm and figured we would burn some shit and have a beer

I'll get some solid sleep tomorow, then I'll start posting training properly again lol

 

[jJjburton]

Dam man, i did a change for my leg exercise, going for more for explosive movement, and lighter for higher reps. You gave me the idea from this log. Holy shit. Legs are hurting.

Going to start doing 1 heavy day 1 explosive day going foward. Maybe even for each muscle. For the next 4 weeks. Thanks for the idea.

 

[Tren91]

Looks like you are hiting some deep squats man.Do you monitor your BC levels on tren and GH.Maybe this causes your tiredness.
Do you know is my levels normal for 80 minutes after eating 140 grams of carbs from rice+honey and 250grams chicken breast.Also i was doing legs 2 hours prior this test.

 

[Silentlemon1011]

Dam man, i did a change for my leg exercise, going for more for explosive movement, and lighter for higher reps. You gave me the idea from this log. Holy shit. Legs are hurting.

Going to start doing 1 heavy day 1 explosive day going foward. Maybe even for each muscle. For the next 4 weeks. Thanks for the idea.

Love it
I dint know much about it works and feels great
@Worf and @Perrin Aybara got me on speed work