Liberals, truly the most delusional

[gr8whitetrukker]

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Answer this wrong and Kris the transgender, gay college coed will write a song for Taylor Swift to sing about


Liberalism in a nut shell
Go ahead. Answer the question...

 

[Uncle Ted]

Although I will agree, modern Liberalism is an issue.
I'd say pointing out ONLY liberalism as an issue is incorrect.

One could argue the fanatiscm of the 90s conservatives led us to the place where Liberals have gone off the rails.
Even actions from G Bush starting Iraq and all that ensued for no reason, could help lead us to modern Liberalism.

Or the way at risk populations were treated, transformed qual opportunity to Equal outcomes and the issues we are having.

To say that either the Left or the Right are solely to blame, is covering up a lot of the issue

Liberalism catches on due to the actions of conservatives, there's no doubt about that.

Like I've mentioned before it's suffocating trying to beg for some personal freedom from conservatives. Everything is a sin to these whack jobs. Conservatives talk in absolutes, they have a very rigid worldview and when you are beneath someone that is conservative with power it can enrage you to the point you would love some Bolshevik revolution to get rid of these people.

To me it's all about freedom. Freedom to get rich or read a bible isn't freedom at all, that's a very bland sanitized pallet of colors to choose from. I want true freedom, to do as I please and that's not gonna happen as long as you have social conservatives in power to police our actions.

 

[Uncle Ted]

Liberals used to distrust government and authority. Liberals used to uphold freedom of speech whether they agreed with it or not.
Liberals used to be against wealth and priveledged.

None of it so anymore

Liberals weild government authority

Liberals are happy to suppresses any speech they don't agree with. Look at silicon Valley

Liberals are now representing wealth and privilege.

Liberals preach that we all must look different , but liberals demand that everyone must think the same. Liberals call that "diversity "

There are many divisions of liberals.

There are at least four types of leftists that intensify their views of government control.

The old school liberal is disappearing, but lets be honest they were mostly a fantasy. We read about them in books and they seemed ivory tower polished and highly intelligent, but we know by their actions they were the same as the right.

There is no difference between the modern left and right, both like power, both like you to have less personal freedom.

The progressives wallow in identity, they obsess with skin color and minority religions. I've always wondered how you can be considered progressive and Muslim, Islam is even more backwards then Christianity and yet progressives rail against Christians, can you imagine a country full of Muslims, it would be a nightmare. This is why the left has lost all credibility, it's all about race and culture for them, all things anti-white and we're gonna see this played out with the rise of the alt-right again when Biden trucks in hundreds of thousands of stark raving mad Muslims.

 

[Silentlemon1011]

Liberalism catches on due to the actions of conservatives, there's no doubt about that.

Like I've mentioned before it's suffocating trying to beg for some personal freedom from conservatives. Everything is a sin to these whack jobs. Conservatives talk in absolutes, they have a very rigid worldview and when you are beneath someone that is conservative with power it can enrage you to the point you would love some Bolshevik revolution to get rid of these people.

To me it's all about freedom. Freedom to get rich or read a bible isn't freedom at all, that's a very bland sanitized pallet of colors to choose from. I want true freedom, to do as I please and that's not gonna happen as long as you have social conservatives in power to police our actions.

And so the Pendulum swings.

When I was a kid, Conservatives where the absolute whack jobs
Now Liberals are worse.
Give it 20 or so years and the reversal will occur again.

Welcome to the Human condition

 

[Uncle Ted]

And so the Pendulum swings.

When I was a kid, Conservatives where the absolute whack jobs
Now Liberals are worse.
Give it 20 or so years and the reversal will occur again.

Welcome to the Human condition

Maybe if the process was more like interviewing for a job.

Most employers don't want people with crazy ideological views, they want you to do the work and keep that crap to yourself, many companies can be destroyed if you go off the deep end.

However with politics, personality is of supreme concern, the crazier the better.

I'd love to conduct an experiment and let the government take 3 months off and see if everything goes alright, then 6 months and see if we can stretch it out to a year. Of course have national defense and security still working, but the rest of these legislators just send them home and lets see if we figure it out for ourselves.

I'm thinking that you could privatize a lot of these services and have memberships, it could possibly be more efficient with a huge chunk of the workforce no longer on the taxpayers dime.

 

[Hughinn]

Although I will agree, modern Liberalism is an issue.
I'd say pointing out ONLY liberalism as an issue is incorrect.

One could argue the fanatiscm of the 90s conservatives led us to the place where Liberals have gone off the rails.
Even actions from G Bush starting Iraq and all that ensued for no reason, could help lead us to modern Liberalism.

Or the way at risk populations were treated, transformed qual opportunity to Equal outcomes and the issues we are having.

To say that either the Left or the Right are solely to blame, is covering up a lot of the issue

How very nearsighted that reply is, I find truly typical.

Seeing things through a left or right issue is precisely the problem I speak of, when modern liberalism is neither left or right.

Especially when modern liberalism has truly become exactly what it's old school counterparts detested. And modern liberals are now the embodiment of elitist privilege and decadence.

 

[Hughinn]

There are many divisions of liberals.

There are at least four types of leftists that intensify their views of government control.

The old school liberal is disappearing, but lets be honest they were mostly a fantasy. We read about them in books and they seemed ivory tower polished and highly intelligent, but we know by their actions they were the same as the right.

There is no difference between the modern left and right, both like power, both like you to have less personal freedom.

The progressives wallow in identity, they obsess with skin color and minority religions. I've always wondered how you can be considered progressive and Muslim, Islam is even more backwards then Christianity and yet progressives rail against Christians, can you imagine a country full of Muslims, it would be a nightmare. This is why the left has lost all credibility, it's all about race and culture for them, all things anti-white and we're gonna see this played out with the rise of the alt-right again when Biden trucks in hundreds of thousands of stark raving mad Muslims.

Wrong.

Old-school liberals are now called conservatives. And thier values haven't changed. They still believe in the same principles. They're in thier 50s to 80s now and are called conservatives by modern definition.

The progressives, and the left in general including the democrat party hasn't changed since it's inception. And neither has the progressive movement.

The democrat party of centuries past rose to power by convincing poor whites that all of thier problems were because of poor blacks and minorities

The democrat party of today seeks to rise to power by convincing poor blacks and minorities that their problems are because of poor whites.

Same party, same platform, same playbook.

Nothing has changed. Except the astounding ignorance amd feeble cowardice of the average American

 

[Hughinn]

Maybe if the process was more like interviewing for a job.

Most employers don't want people with crazy ideological views, they want you to do the work and keep that crap to yourself, many companies can be destroyed if you go off the deep end.

However with politics, personality is of supreme concern, the crazier the better.

I'd love to conduct an experiment and let the government take 3 months off and see if everything goes alright, then 6 months and see if we can stretch it out to a year. Of course have national defense and security still working, but the rest of these legislators just send them home and lets see if we figure it out for ourselves.

I'm thinking that you could privatize a lot of these services and have memberships, it could possibly be more efficient with a huge chunk of the workforce no longer on the taxpayers dime.

I've always felt that the whole idea of government hinged on it doing only two jobs

1, security of its borders and national defense
2, to protect the liberty of it's citizens and ensure all citizens have equal rights under law.


Thats all.

 

[Uncle Ted]

Wrong.

Old-school liberals are now called conservatives. And thier values haven't changed. They still believe in the same principles. They're in thier 50s to 80s now and are called conservatives by modern definition.

The progressives, and the left in general including the democrat party hasn't changed since it's inception. And neither has the progressive movement.

The democrat party of centuries past rose to power by convincing poor whites that all of thier problems were because of poor blacks and minorities

The democrat party of today seeks to rise to power by convincing poor blacks and minorities that their problems are because of poor whites.

Same party, same platform, same playbook.

Nothing has changed. Except the astounding ignorance amd feeble cowardice of the average American

I wouldn't say that I'm wrong.

I'm almost 50, I grew up with the blue collar democrats as my party. This was the party of the working man and most of the people I grew up with were blue collar. This wasn't a bad thing back in those days, this is pre-internet, people went to work, paid their bills, had access to healthcare and education at a very fair price with good benefits from their employer.

NAFTA kicked in and it all went to shit. I voted for Clinton in his first term '92, but by his second term I knew something was horribly wrong and it was the fact that jobs were disappearing, first to Mexico and then to China.

Democrats were indeed conservative, you worked, you were expected to go to school to get education or training if you wanted to advance. Nothing outlandish about that. Your religion, your personal views were of no concern to the party, you focused on core issues dealing with employment.

The other problem is there have been radical changes to this country since the 90's. The childhood I had during the 70's and 80's I consider one of the best periods of US history. It was a fairy-tale in many ways, I straddled a period without wars, politics were straitlaced. People went to work, had some fun and called it a life.

9/11 happened and this country went to shit, the state became authoritarian, the police state rapidly grew in power, qualified immunity allowed cops to kill citizens, prisons were packed and entire industries were built on human suffering at the hands of the state and our war machine. Now all of this is cataloged on video so we can watch what we've done to this country completely uncensored if you know where to look.

So here we are today having screwed things up so badly and people want it fixed, but politicians with the ability to make laws never wipe out all the old laws that caused these problems, they instead add even more to enslave us.

People just want to know when this is gonna be over, because it's obvious this isn't the way things are supposed to be.

 

[Uncle Ted]

I've always felt that the whole idea of government hinged on it doing only two jobs

1, security of its borders and national defense
2, to protect the liberty of it's citizens and ensure all citizens have equal rights under law.


Thats all.

It's a great idea, but legislators with too much time on their hands don't know how to leave things alone.

National Defense is obvious, without it you have no country.

Liberty is a tough, one because some people(mostly the state) want to limit those liberties and others like ourselves want to see a great expansion and a complete elimination of victimless crime laws which amount to forced morality.

The biggest problem is self ownership, the government views me as property of the state. That's pretty scary if you actually think about it, that means they can destroy my life if they deem it in their best interest.

I've tried to understand moral and legal reasoning, but all I can come up with is that it's just opinion. There is no objective means by which you can arrive at the right answer for governing, it's always subjective.

 

[Hughinn]

I wouldn't say that I'm wrong.

I'm almost 50, I grew up with the blue collar democrats as my party. This was the party of the working man and most of the people I grew up with were blue collar. This wasn't a bad thing back in those days, this is pre-internet, people went to work, paid their bills, had access to healthcare and education at a very fair price with good benefits from their employer.

NAFTA kicked in and it all went to shit. I voted for Clinton in his first term '92, but by his second term I knew something was horribly wrong and it was the fact that jobs were disappearing, first to Mexico and then to China.

Democrats were indeed conservative, you worked, you were expected to go to school to get education or training if you wanted to advance. Nothing outlandish about that. Your religion, your personal views were of no concern to the party, you focused on core issues dealing with employment.

The other problem is there have been radical changes to this country since the 90's. The childhood I had during the 70's and 80's I consider one of the best periods of US history. It was a fairy-tale in many ways, I straddled a period without wars, politics were straitlaced. People went to work, had some fun and called it a life.

9/11 happened and this country went to shit, the state became authoritarian, the police state rapidly grew in power, qualified immunity allowed cops to kill citizens, prisons were packed and entire industries were built on human suffering at the hands of the state and our war machine. Now all of this is cataloged on video so we can watch what we've done to this country completely uncensored if you know where to look.

So here we are today having screwed things up so badly and people want it fixed, but politicians with the ability to make laws never wipe out all the old laws that caused these problems, they instead add even more to enslave us.

People just want to know when this is gonna be over, because it's obvious this isn't the way things are supposed to be.

You're sorely mistaken in your assumption that you're belonging to different times than I. Because I was witness to everything you described personally as well.

We're not very far apart in age, nor experience. I suspect.

The difference between us is purely in the understanding of what really happened and what it truly takes to fix what has been done.

It's "over" only when total victory is achieved by one side, except that victory, by nature is a temporary state of affairs, and is always open to renegotiating when one side or the other has secured advantage.

"Slaves" by principle are always a hazard , because by natural law, they'll always eventually rebel. Thats the lesson the left and the democrat party has yet to learn. Because they're agenda, as it has always been, is to establish an aristocracy and a slave subjectivity. They did this before, they do it today.

There is truly only one way, and one way only, any population has regained any sort of property holding liberty and freedom from an aristocracy that has secured it, in all of human history.
And it is with cool deliberation and forethought that a make that statement.
Not once ever, except with shot and shell. Has such liberty been taken back once relinquished.

I'll bet 1000$ not one example can be found it has happened any other way

 

[Hughinn]

Ok

It's a great idea, but legislators with too much time on their hands don't know how to leave things alone.

National Defense is obvious, without it you have no country.

Liberty is a tough, one because some people(mostly the state) want to limit those liberties and others like ourselves want to see a great expansion and a complete elimination of victimless crime laws which amount to forced morality.

The biggest problem is self ownership, the government views me as property of the state. That's pretty scary if you actually think about it, that means they can destroy my life if they deem it in their best interest.

I've tried to understand moral and legal reasoning, but all I can come up with is that it's just opinion. There is no objective means by which you can arrive at the right answer for governing, it's always subjective.

Indeed it is subjective.

Just as morality and legal reasoning is also subjective.
Kill a man and rob him. You're a criminal.
Kill tens of thousands and steal the wealth of their country, and you're a war hero. Where then, is the morality?

Woe to the man who let's another define his morality. Especially when that other changes at their whim without any sort of baseline. The modern democrat.

 

[Hughinn]

Liberalism catches on due to the actions of conservatives, there's no doubt about that.

Like I've mentioned before it's suffocating trying to beg for some personal freedom from conservatives. Everything is a sin to these whack jobs. Conservatives talk in absolutes, they have a very rigid worldview and when you are beneath someone that is conservative with power it can enrage you to the point you would love some Bolshevik revolution to get rid of these people.

To me it's all about freedom. Freedom to get rich or read a bible isn't freedom at all, that's a very bland sanitized pallet of colors to choose from. I want true freedom, to do as I please and that's not gonna happen as long as you have social conservatives in power to police our actions.

"Everything is a sin to these whack jobs. Conservatives talk in absolutes, they have a very rigid worldview and when you are beneath someone that is conservative with power it can enrage you to the point you would love some Bolshevik revolution to get rid of these people."

The exact same thing can be applied to the modern liberal.

See what happens to a common man who dares speak in direct contradiction to dogmas of liberals.

If you truly want freedom, then recognize it's enemy. From the foundation's of elementary education all the way to the top of academia and media, your information and speech is controlled by liberals. Liberals are deciding what speech offends whom, and what they are allowed to do about it. Liberals are deciding what your children learn about our own nations history and then taught what to think about it. Liberals are deciding what opinions are allowed to be heard in protest and which are not. Liberals are deciding which groups are allowed platforms and what they can get away with.

What if those riots in Portland were right wing groups? Liberals would've called in the military, with live ammunition to slaughter them completely, and every media network in the nation would praise them for it.

Your comment of religious conservatives may have been true a hundred years ago. But your an idiot not to see the elephant in the room today is liberalism.

 

[Uncle Ted]

"Everything is a sin to these whack jobs. Conservatives talk in absolutes, they have a very rigid worldview and when you are beneath someone that is conservative with power it can enrage you to the point you would love some Bolshevik revolution to get rid of these people."

The exact same thing can be applied to the modern liberal.

See what happens to a common man who dares speak in direct contradiction to dogmas of liberals.

If you truly want freedom, then recognize it's enemy. From the foundation's of elementary education all the way to the top of academia and media, your information and speech is controlled by liberals. Liberals are deciding what speech offends whom, and what they are allowed to do about it. Liberals are deciding what your children learn about our own nations history and then taught what to think about it. Liberals are deciding what opinions are allowed to be heard in protest and which are not. Liberals are deciding which groups are allowed platforms and what they can get away with.

What if those riots in Portland were right wing groups? Liberals would've called in the military, with live ammunition to slaughter them completely, and every media network in the nation would praise them for it.

Your comment of religious conservatives may have been true a hundred years ago. But your an idiot not to see the elephant in the room today is liberalism.

I've spent plenty of time around leftist and religious conservatives.

There are areas that neither are open to discuss.

It can be jarring to be around either, but for someone like myself the far more tortuous group tends to be the right wing religious. Leftists don't pro-actively engage in proselytizing or injecting ideas(god myth) into even the most mundane conversations.

I'll admit I could sit with the Portland demonstrators and probably agree with a lot of what they're doing. Tearing down the police state, court houses, police stations. Burning American flags. None of that bothers me at all, for someone like myself that despises the government I cheer them on from a distance.

I'm not looking for big government however. Deep down I'm looking for a mass die off of civilization(95+%), simplifying life, man going back to subsistence living with simple tools. A short hard life, but also one that is in balance and in pace with most of what nature has(or in our case had) to offer.

 

[NorthMich]

Liberals used to distrust government and authority. Liberals used to uphold freedom of speech whether they agreed with it or not.
Liberals used to be against wealth and priveledged.

None of it so anymore

Liberals weild government authority

Liberals are happy to suppresses any speech they don't agree with. Look at silicon Valley

Liberals are now representing wealth and privilege.

Liberals preach that we all must look different , but liberals demand that everyone must think the same. Liberals call that "diversity "

See. This is all propaganda bullshit That’s my point. WTF good is it to offer a counterpoint what your head is so full of bullshit

 

[Hughinn]

See. This is all propaganda bullshit That’s my point. WTF good is it to offer a counterpoint what your head is so full of bullshit

Translation: you can't refute a damn word of it. So just like a typical liberal, spew some bs, claim some bizzare sort of moral high ground and run away.

Typical

 

[Hughinn]

I've spent plenty of time around leftist and religious conservatives.

There are areas that neither are open to discuss.

It can be jarring to be around either, but for someone like myself the far more tortuous group tends to be the right wing religious. Leftists don't pro-actively engage in proselytizing or injecting ideas(god myth) into even the most mundane conversations.

I'll admit I could sit with the Portland demonstrators and probably agree with a lot of what they're doing. Tearing down the police state, court houses, police stations. Burning American flags. None of that bothers me at all, for someone like myself that despises the government I cheer them on from a distance.

I'm not looking for big government however. Deep down I'm looking for a mass die off of civilization(95+%), simplifying life, man going back to subsistence living with simple tools. A short hard life, but also one that is in balance and in pace with most of what nature has(or in our case had) to offer.

"Leftists don't pro-actively engage in proselytizing or injecting ideas"

Really? They don't? Wow.

You say that nonsense in jest, surely. That, or you're truly ignorant.


If you're not looking for big government, then why do you sympathize with people trying to bring about a one world socialist government? What could mean more big government than that?

How can you say you want a simpler, less intrusive life, but cheer on people who want government to control every aspect of it?

Not too smart.

 

[Uncle Ted]

"Leftists don't pro-actively engage in proselytizing or injecting ideas"

Really? They don't? Wow.

You say that nonsense in jest, surely. That, or you're truly ignorant.


If you're not looking for big government, then why do you sympathize with people trying to bring about a one world socialist government? What could mean more big government than that?

How can you say you want a simpler, less intrusive life, but cheer on people who want government to control every aspect of it?

Not too smart.

If a man is looking to tear down the prison/police state I will stand by that person, until he comes up with the idea that he to wants to impose a tyranny on others.

I've never had a leftist chase me down the street or harass me at work to see if I had given my life to the lord.

Can a man go up to a supervisor, manager that is deeply conservative and religious and tell them everything they believe is bullshit. Nope, if you live in the MidWest these types will shit a brick and work overtime to either get your fired or turn as many like minded people they can against you, which in this environment is extremely common.

In a collection of anarchist atheist I would be right at home. I would have no fear in bringing up that any form of government leads to tyranny eventually. There are right and left minded in this group, from Libertarians like Ron Paul to extreme anti-civ guys like John Zerzan I would enjoy the experience.

 

[Hughinn]

If a man is looking to tear down the prison/police state I will stand by that person, until he comes up with the idea that he to wants to impose a tyranny on others.

I've never had a leftist chase me down the street or harass me at work to see if I had given my life to the lord.

Can a man go up to a supervisor, manager that is deeply conservative and religious and tell them everything they believe is bullshit. Nope, if you live in the MidWest these types will shit a brick and work overtime to either get your fired or turn as many like minded people they can against you, which in this environment is extremely common.

In a collection of anarchist atheist I would be right at home. I would have no fear in bringing up that any form of government leads to tyranny eventually. There are right and left minded in this group, from Libertarians like Ron Paul to extreme anti-civ guys like John Zerzan I would enjoy the

"Can a man go up to a supervisor, manager that is deeply conservative and religious and tell them everything they believe is bullshit.?"

Can a man go to a leftist college professor, leftist politician, leftist supervisor in California, Washington DC, New York, Chicago or Portland and do the same? NOPE.

Because leftists are absolutely no different than religious zealots, except they have no fixed moral code of conduct. And no established ideals of right or wrong. But their dogma, is no less dangerous to any man who values liberty and independence of though and actions

In Seattle and Portland and Los Angeles as we speak, leftists are literally chasing down people they disagree with in the streets. Shouting them down at universities, while government sponsored terrorists burn down courthouses in with impunity. All in the name of equality, at the same time, they promote the consolidation of wealth and power into the hands of fewer and fewer. A few rich leftists now control the flow of information and ideas. And censor dissent at will. And the liberal hordes cheer it.

And fools like you cheer on the rise of the police state, all the while thinking you oppose it.

The ultimate goals of leftists, ie
universal Healthcare = government in charge of your health and well being.
Universal basic income = government dependence on your livelihood.
Green new deals = government in charge of all consumption and wealth distribution

Brother, wake the fuck up. If that doesn't spell ultimately imposing tyranny and control over others, then i ask you : what does?

The very thing you claim to dread, is being propagated by those you support.

Either your lying about what you believe, and you think I'm too stupid to see the contradiction in it.

Or you believe it yourself in ignorance.

Which is it?

Because the truth is, there is little difference in the dogmas of the religious zealots or the leftist woke mobs to any man who values individual liberty over mob rule by dogma.
No difference at all. The end result winds up being exactly the same.

 

[Test_Subject]

Because leftists are absolutely no different than religious zealots, except they have no fixed moral code of conduct. And no established ideals of right or wrong.

Religious people have no fixed moral code, either. I mean, they do have one, but I've never met anyone who has actually lived it.

Zealots are quick to cite the old testament when it comes to gay people etc. but don't follow anything else from it -- forgiving debts every seven years, for example -- so let's not pretend that they're are ideologically consistent.

Don't make the mistake of thinking that any belief-group is ethically consistent. Humans just don't work that way.