I completely agree.
Let's say, they pretend to have a moral code. But you're right, when judged by their own standards, there isn't a moral man to be found among them.
On the left or right.
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Let's say, they pretend to have a moral code. But you're right, when judged by their own standards, there isn't a moral man to be found among them.
On the left or right.
Uncle Ted
Banned
Portland is a small area of the country where you have hardcore activists that have been around for 50+ years.
It's just whole other world that doesn't compare to anything at all. I subscribe to several Anarchist magazines, newspapers and zines, almost all of them come out of Oregon, with most of their best writers living in Portland, Eugene...ect.
I'm talking about the MidWest where I'm from and my experience is totally different than that of a Portland local. Portland doesn't mean shit to rednecks. You think well armed christian conservatives are in fear of activists in Portland. They don't even give it a thought.
Too much media attention in Portland has cause Conservatives to lose their damn mind.
UBI has been discussed by both left and right, technology if it continues on will make millions of jobs that are already unnecessary even more so. Now I'm anti-technology because I realize that it's not a cure for our problems, very basic technology can be a help somewhat(tools), but pretty soon if you aren't careful you will turn into a slave under a system where technology promises just another utopia. We live in the world of geeks and geeks used to be laughed at, now they are exalted as high priests that we should look to for all answers.
Universal Healthcare and Education talk exists because they have created systems where workers and infrastructure cost way too much. They have spent massive amounts of money to build up these sectors of employment and now millions depend on them to support a lifestyle that is out of touch with what their students or patients can deliver, namely low income sick people which is very common or young adults that don't have a nickle to their name. The only solution is to pull the rug out from under this system, have the bean counters come in and make draconian cuts to return prices back to level that are inline with ability to pay in cash without loans or insurance for the clients they actual serve. This means bye bye to the tenured professors and $90/hr nurses.
Green New Deal --- is a shell game. I've already discussed that on other threads. The Green revolution will require massive mining operations and oceans of toxic chemicals which will in fact destroy more than help the earth. Common sense tells me if you care about the environment it's simple, don't have any children at all, the earth will retake what has been taken from it if we just get out of the way. The GND is more Tech Utopia offered up by geeks, most true environmentalists don't want any part of the GND.
Uncle Ted
Banned
Most of us become civilized due to a long adolescence giving us time to learn right from wrong within our group, but to write down the sort of nonsense found in religious and legal text has truly been a disaster for mankind.
The problem I've run into in discussions with Christians is that they will state without the bible they would murder and rape. As if they were incapable of figuring anything out without first consulting a book of fairytales. Now I know deep down these people are either sociopaths or they're lying because they know the people they're harming would fight back and more than likely kill them.
This is what pisses me off when someone states rights come from God. Not really. Your rights are a product of the culture you live, not the imaginary world of religion.
An "anarchist" who subscribes to the philosophies of skinny jeans wearing millennials writing of their "movements" from liberal bastions of progress and equality like Portland. Who claim the degradation of American cities is because of a bunch of rednecks in Appalachia that have never been to or even seen those cities. No wonder you're so ass backwards.
All the while thinking a bunch of rednecks in the Midwest are the reason Healthcare in California is out of control, and poor whites in Alabama are the reason schools they don't attend in Baltimore have low test scores.
Dude, you're pathetic. You really think Medicare for all, with a massive, nationwide administration system, surely to soak up 50cents on the dollar in healtcare administration fees alone is going to "pull the rug out" and suddenly make it more affordable? By adding millions of "bean counters" in a massive administrative juggernaut whose job is price gouge every aspect of the service is going to make it better quality and cheaper.? God, what a fool. And thats textbook communism to boot, espoused by a self proclaimed "anarchist" as a solution to a free market system.
Wow. Just wow.
And you're so ignorant and blind, I'm sure you fail to see any contradiction in any of those ideals.
People like you are the reason such nonsense gains traction at all.
I'd think a man who claims to be an anarchist would understand that no such thing as "rights" exist in any modern sense of the word.
Nothing is ever a question of "rights"
A man has a right to anything he's capable of taking, and keeping. Culture has nothing to do with it whatsoever. The threat of force and capability to resist, along with the necessity for superiors to buy cooperation from subordinates are the sole determinants of what "rights" any peoples have. And that holds true for any culture that has ever existed in human history.
A man who claims to be an anarchist ought to see that truth as evident
You got alot of contradiction in your own beliefs, and might be alot things.
But an anarchist, is definitely not one of them. No moreso than your skinny jeans wearing philosophers writing from comfortable positions of privilege in liberal citadels of power. Save for the fact that they more than likely pump that garbage out for you to believe. Because I doubt they do. Like you, they are not anarchists. But leftists
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Test_Subject
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Socialized medicine is actually cheaper. The US pays the most in tax dollars per capita for their healthcare of any country in the world by a large margin.
Then, you get to buy insurance and shell out money for co-pays and deductibles on top of that. Not really a fantastic deal if you ask me.
But "socialism bad." I get it. Except when it comes to the military, policing, firefighting, infrastructure maintenance, social security, VA benefits...
The insurance lobbies spend hundreds of millions of dollars convincing you how "effecient" the US healthcare system is and how horrible and expensive social medicine is. The actual numbers do not support that assessment.
You're very poorly informed. Which is typical of naive liberals wanting free stuff
Choking On The Cost Of 'Medicare For All'
Single-payer is cost-prohibitive. Even the most dyed-in-the-wool leftists admit as much, after they take office and have to figure out how to pay for their campaign promises.
www.forbes.com
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"The first thing to realize is that free public medicine isn’t really free. What the consumer doesn’t pay, the taxpayer does, and with a vengeance. Public health expenditures in Quebec amount to 29 percent of the provincial government budget. One-fifth of the revenues comes from a wage tax of 3.22 percent charged to employers and the rest comes from general taxes at the provincial and federal levels. It costs $1,200 per year in taxes for each Quebec citizen to have access to the public health system. This means that the average two-child family pays close to $5,000 per year in public health insurance. This is much more expensive than the most comprehensive private health insurance plan."
I can tell you for a fact, many families don't spend 5k in Healthcare costs annually.
I've raise three children. And only surpassed that once. Pre obamacare a flagship deluxe plan could be bought for 5k a year.
A simple pre obamacare Healthcare plan used to be bought for a few hundred 2 to 3 hundred dollars per month.
Now, because of you idiots playing with socialism , that same plan costs upwards of 10k annually
So, your wrong about costs. But that's not the worst part. What kind of sense would it make to put government in charge of your Healthcare ?
Tha government can't even fix potholes or roads efficiently. How in the hell could they manage Healthcare? You would nearly double the size of an already incompetent and corrupt Goliath of a government and then place yourself prostrate, at their mercy. Dumb idea
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Uncle Ted
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All of the anarchist writers that I follow are either dead or most of them are 70+.
I primarily enjoy reading anti-left, anarcho-primitive, anti-civilization, ecophilosophy. It's a very narrow branch of Anarchism that probably most don't even know exists. Most of the better publications come out of Oregon which makes sense simply because it's a region full of people that live in a sort of natural paradise and at the same time have access to higher education to learn the craft of writing.
I don't follow skinny jean wearing hipsters, I have nothing to do with communism or radical left.
I'm sure there are people in Appalachia that have a lot to say about the beautiful place they live, they have their own culture and way of living. However they don't spend much time writing about it.
Just like when I grew up hunting, trapping, fishing. My father who was a taxidermist didn't write about his experiences, I don't know that he could have even if he wanted and he was raised as a hillbilly.
And our healthcare system is broken, the cost is grossly out of touch with the clients ability to pay. Sick people often are on the lower rung of the economic ladder. If you're going to offer services, but force people into bankruptcy then what's the point, something has to give.
If the government is going to create laws that protect hospitals ability to collect payment, creating an avenue for restitution. Then you have no choice, but to figure out a way to either provide the same service for the patients or let the hospital/clinic forfeit the ability to collect by doing away with the laws that protect service providers.
Uncle Ted
Banned
Why do you trust your government to provide you with security?
Why do you trust them to store and weaponize thousands of nuclear weapons that have the ability to obliterate mankind?
Why do you trust them to police and incarcerate you.
Trust them to protect your water standards....ect.?
I'm not here to support the state in anyway and I think a freemarket solution to healthcare can be found fairly easily, but it would favor the average citizen and be something the medical system would detest as it would force them to make drastic cuts.
The problem is lobby groups that buy off politicians and legislate on their behalf, have stolen power from the people.
So you do indeed have big government meddling in healthcare right now, it's just that they're working on behalf of the healthcare system and not those who need it.
I've proposed a very simple system on here before. A low payout insurance, $50,000 max payout, fairly high deductible. This would drastically lower premiums. It would get rid of the laws that allow health providers from going after patients to collect. All service providers would get is $50,000 from these policies and the hospitals would have to figure out a way to stretch that dollar.
Right now it's pretty much mandatory that any insurance company offer $1 million dollar max payouts. This is a minimum standard to be qualified as insurance and we know most of us are never gonna use this, thus we are investing in a high risk insurance, that puts lots of money into a parasitical insurance industry where insurance CEO's can walk off with $200 million/year, none of which has anything to do with providing care for sick patients.
It's only a matter of time before Republicans jump on the universal basic income bandwagon. What other choice will they have if technology inevitably leads to mass unemployment.
Elon Musk is already talking about it. For example, he predicts Tesla will single-handedly destroy the trucking industry and related professions with its self-driving AI and self-learning technology. Some estimates suggest 15% of the overall work force will be unemployed as a result of this alone.
Is Universal Basic Income Possible?
The debate over universal basic income is being renewed by industry leaders and billionaires like Elon Musk.
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Test_Subject
Member
Oh good grief.
Your healthcare is more expensive per capita, in tax dollars only than any other country in the entire world. Tax dollars. That is a fact. And the margin by which you pay more is not small. You're free to ignore or deny that fact, but it remains a fact, unless you would like to call the American Medical Association and tell them that they're wrong....
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https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2674671Saying that socialized medicine would cost you more, when you already pay more than any country on the entire planet, even those with comprehensive social medicine, is patently retarded. Fuck man, think for yourself instead of just regurgitating talking points.
That's money that you're paying on top of the tax costs of your healthcare...
You're so wrong that it's embarrassing. Just stop.
Oh, and I'm not a liberal.
Uncle Ted
Banned
I'm not going to get into a pissing contest about Anarcho philosophy.
There's an entire gamut of philosophy available, free for you to read.
Anarchist can have rules to keep their community from doing things that harm the community. Just like you have rules for your family members so you don't step on each others toes.
If someone is murdering, raping, stealing, you can take direct action. Anarchist in no way are opposed to violence to protect themselves. You don't become a pacifist when you see state power as wrong, matter of fact the historical Anarchist can be quite violent.
If you go back to the early Anarchist writers of the mid 19th century you will find them questioning kings, queens, sometimes bombing them, murdering them. You will find industrialists scared to death of anarchists, often hiring their own private police force to protect them. It's a fascinating history that spans into the United States when workers during the early 1900's were treated like slaves, men, women and children forced to work in these factories under the most grueling conditions going home to a shack and poverty with barely enough to eat, while the rich industrialists lived a life of luxury.
You will find the early anarchist warning that if Marxism was given state control it would turn into a dictatorship in a very short time and they were right. Why did Lenin round up 200 anarchist writers and have them shot, because he knew Anarchism was a threat to his Bolshevik revolution and he knew these guys would be the first to critique his heavy handed methods.
Our own country rounded up Anarchist in the early 1900's and had them exiled, some were sent to Russia, these Anarchist later wrote against Communism as they saw it first hand and knew they were on a short list to be murdered if they didn't get the hell out of there. So France became the stomping grounds for many of these exiles that spent the rest of their lives writing.
Read up on it, you might find you actually enjoy the Anarcho philosophy, a group of men and some women that worked like dogs, weren't scared of physical hard work. No skinny jean wearing here, just men trying to get the state off their back and get rid of a hierarchy that allowed nobility and the rich to rule and work them to death.
The early Anarchism primarily rose out of the social question. Early capitalism was making their lives miserable, the rich were well off and everyone else worked to an early death. It was a fight for their very lives and a desperate attempt to balance power that had become heavily lopsided.
Uncle Ted
Banned
I don't disagree at all.
The problem as I see it is that America hasn't tried
1. to scale back their work week. Working 20hr/week could free up jobs and allow people more time off to pursue other interests, leisure or further education and training.
2. Aim for maximum efficiency, don't have people doing bullshit jobs like sitting or standing around manning a station just to make sure you follow rules. You might call these box tickers, it's a huge industry in this country and it's mind numbing work.
3. Have a society that embraces minimalism, owns less, but higher quality goods that will last longer and can be repaired. Smaller homes, smaller vehicles, will encourage people to own less all around as they won't have as much space to pile up garbage.
I could go on and on for ways I think we could share the work load, create a better educated work force with very affordable unorthodox educational resources.
It's just a matter of getting out of this mindset of the 40-60hr work week. There will always be those that have special skills like a surgeon that take years of training that will be in high demand, but I'd also pay for all their education and training and open the field to those that have this sort of potential talent, but lack resources.
Uncle Ted
Banned
The problem with those on the Right is that they don't take the time to explore other opinions.
Right Wing media is very skewed and biased. I'm not saying that left wing outlets aren't, but damn. You can't expect to get an entire world view from such a narrow source as the few right wing idiots that spew the same talking points over and over.
We all now what the Right Wing objective is, it's to keep the rich filthy rich without question.
It's to keep you from looking into a system that has allowed you to become so brainwashed, that you actually enjoy and relish the sadism the rich are serving you up with their bought off politicians.
When the Covid 19 stimulus allowed Billionaires in this country to pocket $435 billion dollars from tax payers, or from money just printed up. You won't see your Right Wing news sources ever disparage that, but if you get $1200 they shit themselves because these greedy rich fucks want that money in their pockets as well.
The Rich can never get enough, they have a screw loose and so Right Wing media exist and is wholly created and owned by them to make sure you buy into a political philosophy that is obviously working against you.
You don't want welfare, but can't the right wing brainwashed pull their heads out of their ass and realize the far right loves golden parachute welfare for the rich.
Right Wing media is very skewed and biased. I'm not saying that left wing outlets aren't, but damn. You can't expect to get an entire world view from such a narrow source as the few right wing idiots that spew the same talking points over and over.
We all now what the Right Wing objective is, it's to keep the rich filthy rich without question.
It's to keep you from looking into a system that has allowed you to become so brainwashed, that you actually enjoy and relish the sadism the rich are serving you up with their bought off politicians.
When the Covid 19 stimulus allowed Billionaires in this country to pocket $435 billion dollars from tax payers, or from money just printed up. You won't see your Right Wing news sources ever disparage that, but if you get $1200 they shit themselves because these greedy rich fucks want that money in their pockets as well.
The Rich can never get enough, they have a screw loose and so Right Wing media exist and is wholly created and owned by them to make sure you buy into a political philosophy that is obviously working against you.
You don't want welfare, but can't the right wing brainwashed pull their heads out of their ass and realize the far right loves golden parachute welfare for the rich.
Aftermath9716
Member
I think the problem is taxes, the majority of voters don't want to pay more taxes just put the cost on those with more wealth than them. Vermont, Colorado, and Massachusetts all tried this and failed. In California, 53% of likely voters back single-payer but support drops to just 41% when they are told it will require new taxes, so depending on how much you make you will either be paying more or less.
Test_Subject
Member
As it stands, the US pays more tax money for its healthcare system than any socialized medicine program on the planet earth does. That's not even counting the private insurance you pay for that's not required with socialized systems.
Why would you be paying higher taxes for a cheaper system? I'm not following.
Even if that were true, you're saving the cost of insurance premiums, co-pays, deductibles etc.
Uncle Ted
Banned
The current system is unsustainable.
That is the system that created high cost of healthcare and education.
They never cut costs, they just find another way to finance the ever increasing growth in salaries and pensions.
It's insane and society is expected to put up with this, you're taught never to question status quo, just keep looking straight ahead as you march off the cliff.
Big Government will be called on more and more to make sure these high paying jobs stick around, while those that work outside of that world, will have to become creative to avoiding being fleeced by these parasites.
Uncle Ted
Banned
I agree there's a long list of middle men that are taking a cut that need to be removed from the equation. However these groups are fantastic lobbyist, so they aren't going without a fight.
As it is right now though, the high cost of healthcare forces Americans to go without, to tough it out and suffer in silence. If they ever open the flood gates to free healthcare in America you would see a huge wave of patients desperately seeking service.
America for the most part is a big lie, everyone outside of this country thinks we're all rich, they never see the 50% of this nation that are completely sustained on credit, one payment short from living in a dumpster.
Western Europe seems to have faced reality and admitted that the Right Wing Conservative mantra of doing everything on your own doesn't work in the real world. It's a great slogan, but that's all it is.
Aftermath9716
Member
Hey just googled this and guess your right LOL BUT i don't pay 10K+ for healthcare just a fraction of that per year. I guess the fed is printing mass amount of money for the insurance companies? Either way I love my plan maybe if I was dirt poor or just on govt welfare and don't work I support it
Uncle Ted
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If you're paying $150/month for a single person without family, then yes it is a heck of a deal. However your employer is probably kicking in another $300-500/month to make up the difference and that's money that could be going into your pocket.View attachment 138523
Hey just googled this and guess your right LOL BUT i don't pay 10K+ for healthcare just a fraction of that per year. I guess the fed is printing mass amount of money for the insurance companies? Either way I love my plan maybe if I was dirt poor or just on govt welfare and don't work I support it
If you were like me who only went to the doctor 3 times in a span of 25 years for very minor stuff that's a huge waste of money. However when I first started working after college back in the early mid 90's, my insurance was so cheap and drug prices were cheap to the point it cost practically nothing to go to the doctor and get a script, I was getting a year supply of drugs that cost $12, today those same exact drugs cost $800/yr.
The reason everything cost so much today is that people working in the healthcare industry are demanding top dollar for even the most piddly of services. They have armies of lawyers lobbying to make sure this racket isn't going anywhere soon.
