MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
Long Off-Season to Classic D Class Weight Cap
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Ryu82
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Huge change man, and there is still probably a lot of inflammation and water retention to drop still.
Slowww
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Pretty good hamstrings day yesterday. Was able to get 260kg x 6 on RDL variation no belt, after sets to failure of hamstring curls.
Weight returned to 102.2kg/225lbs
Back- really want to work on my arms and Calves especially next time I increase my weight.
Hamstring a bit better here. They are pretty dead though, so hard to pose.
Weight returned to 102.2kg/225lbs
Back- really want to work on my arms and Calves especially next time I increase my weight.
Hamstring a bit better here. They are pretty dead though, so hard to pose.
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Slowww
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Thanks for the help! Definitely is good to get some feedback on posing since bad habits can get stuck and it just takes a simple cue to fix
Slowww
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Yeah looks pretty different. Im looking forward to when the skin etc goes back to normal. Hopefully another week or fix that stuff. Just being patient, taking it slow for the recovery, not rushing the cut.
Ateam2023
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well at least you got your back shaved, 
Slowww
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so one more week on this plan- next week we add fat burners (clen, yohimbine still no need for t3). And obviously less carbs. Cardio is basically maxed out now.
TRAINING DAY(no high days)
M1 P-40g C-80g F-10g(250ml egg whites,2 whole eggs, 100g oats,100g banana,)
M2 P-40g C-40g F-0g(200g turkey or chicken breast,50g rice dry weight or 200g potato)
M3 PRE WORKOUT MEAL(60-90 min before training) P-40g C-120g F-5g(125g cream of rice,100g banana,200g turkey brest,10g peanut butter +NO INSULIN
Intra : sip drink containing – 20gEAAs /10g creatine/2g salt/20g dextrose
M4 POST WORKOUT MEAL: P-60g C-100g F-0g(125g cream of rice or low fat creal, 60g protein from WPI)+ NO INSULIN
M5 P-40g C-40g F-0g (200g chicken or turkey breast, 50g rice dry weight or 200g potato)
M6 P-40g C-40g F-0g(400g low fat Greek yoghurt, 40g carbs from rice/potatoes/oats/rice cakes)
TOTAL:
P-240g C-440g F-15g
REST DAY’S
M1 P-40g C-60g F-5g(1 whole egg,400ml egg whites,85g oats, 50g banana)
M2 P-40g C-40g F-5g(200g turkey or chicken breast,50g rice dry weight or 200g potato,35g avocado or 10g almond butter)
M3 P-40g C-40g F-5g(150g turkey or chicken breast,1 whole egg, 50g rice dry weight or 200g potato)
M4 P-40g C-40g F-5g(200g turkey or chicken breast, 50g rice dry weight or 200g potato, 35g avocado or 10g almond butter))
M5 P-40g C-40g F-5g(200g turkey or chicken breast,35g avocado or 10g almond butter,50g rice dry weight or 200g potato)
M6 P-40g C-0g F-10g(400g low fat Greek yoghurt,20g almonds or almond butter) - no cheat meals in cutting phase
TOTAL:
P-240g C-220g F-35g
holding 102kg/225.5lbs water is back in muscle and not under skin, mostly as of today.
TRAINING DAY(no high days)
M1 P-40g C-80g F-10g(250ml egg whites,2 whole eggs, 100g oats,100g banana,)
M2 P-40g C-40g F-0g(200g turkey or chicken breast,50g rice dry weight or 200g potato)
M3 PRE WORKOUT MEAL(60-90 min before training) P-40g C-120g F-5g(125g cream of rice,100g banana,200g turkey brest,10g peanut butter +NO INSULIN
Intra : sip drink containing – 20gEAAs /10g creatine/2g salt/20g dextrose
M4 POST WORKOUT MEAL: P-60g C-100g F-0g(125g cream of rice or low fat creal, 60g protein from WPI)+ NO INSULIN
M5 P-40g C-40g F-0g (200g chicken or turkey breast, 50g rice dry weight or 200g potato)
M6 P-40g C-40g F-0g(400g low fat Greek yoghurt, 40g carbs from rice/potatoes/oats/rice cakes)
TOTAL:
P-240g C-440g F-15g
REST DAY’S
M1 P-40g C-60g F-5g(1 whole egg,400ml egg whites,85g oats, 50g banana)
M2 P-40g C-40g F-5g(200g turkey or chicken breast,50g rice dry weight or 200g potato,35g avocado or 10g almond butter)
M3 P-40g C-40g F-5g(150g turkey or chicken breast,1 whole egg, 50g rice dry weight or 200g potato)
M4 P-40g C-40g F-5g(200g turkey or chicken breast, 50g rice dry weight or 200g potato, 35g avocado or 10g almond butter))
M5 P-40g C-40g F-5g(200g turkey or chicken breast,35g avocado or 10g almond butter,50g rice dry weight or 200g potato)
M6 P-40g C-0g F-10g(400g low fat Greek yoghurt,20g almonds or almond butter) - no cheat meals in cutting phase
TOTAL:
P-240g C-220g F-35g
holding 102kg/225.5lbs water is back in muscle and not under skin, mostly as of today.
dinfar1337
New Member
I feel like someone your size will greatly benefit from higher protein intake. The drugs might mask it but upto 2.8-2.9 p/kg bw is very nice for me while cutting
Slowww
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That’s fair, usually my protein is 300g directly, but since we started cutting a bit harder we have reduced fats and protein for metabolic reasons. We have tried higher protein in the cutting phase last time, and right now changed the plan. I think comparatively Im responding well to this and my digestion has improved.
The higher carbs really allows me to keep my training quality much higher, and fill up glycogen/recover better on rest days and I’ve been holding strength and muscle much better than when I had high protein low carbs for training days and then high fat high protein for rest days. For example today on leg day, I was still able to get my top set of a RAMP at 370kg x 8. Last time at the same weight and lower carbs that would be impossible and these sets are comparable to my off season maxes, with less gear, so I can’t imagine I’ve lost a lot of muscle
For an athlete, 250g to 300g (real, not indirect, protein) is the maximum effective dose.
Going beyond this, especially with very high carbohydrates, can lead to intestinal problems, bloating, and bubble gut. More is never better in bodybuilding.
Slowww
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This is basically the range we have been staying around for over a year with this coach, with 300 being the maximum. For the past 3.5 years since I started body building and powerlifting, I kept it also in the range but a bit closer to 250 since I was not carrying as much muscle mass.
dinfar1337
New Member
great
your diet looks odd but you've found whats working for you. this is the most important part.
i'm not all much of a fan of low carb, the best i do is medium carbs. high protein and low fat.
going lower than 2.8g protein on cuts will make me lose strength but if that isnt the same with you keep rocking your diet
Ateam2023
Member
everyone responds differently, especially when cutting, i doubt 50 g of protein either way is gonna affect much,
Slowww
Member
20 days post surgery
Able to overhead 160kg/350lbs at 101.9kg/225lbs bw (+1 from last week)
But my tempo was way off the mark in coach feedback for my session today. With legs and back I have been keeping very strict pace, so no criticism there but I need to lighten up my top set and stop trying to hold the weight as close to my max, and get a better eccentric.
Will do first chest session in over 20 days on Sunday. Going to take it pretty light, just get oriented again, very strict tempo etc..
Able to overhead 160kg/350lbs at 101.9kg/225lbs bw (+1 from last week)
But my tempo was way off the mark in coach feedback for my session today. With legs and back I have been keeping very strict pace, so no criticism there but I need to lighten up my top set and stop trying to hold the weight as close to my max, and get a better eccentric.
Will do first chest session in over 20 days on Sunday. Going to take it pretty light, just get oriented again, very strict tempo etc..
Slowww
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Alright wrapping up this week with the first chest session in 3 weeks. Very happy. hit 120kg on the “nautilus freedom” incline press for 8 with tempo and pauses, so that’s ok. Picked a machine I have no reference for so that I don’t feel pressured to attempt my old pressing numbers. My decline was a bit weaker too, work sets also at 120kg, but Im just working back in to it.
had no discomfort and was able to go through a complete range of motion. My pecs definitely were not as strong and fatigued quicker than usual. But this means that I can cut and will be ready to push it hard and break my previous limits in the off season.
My water seems to have completely returned to normal, and my condition is better than it was pre surgery I would say. I also looked through photos of last cut, and I am definitely leaner now than last time, it’s just hard to tell because the light is not the same. I think last cut I was still a bit drier, as I don’t have my full masteron and anti-estrogen, fat burners and thyroid hormones in yet.
had no discomfort and was able to go through a complete range of motion. My pecs definitely were not as strong and fatigued quicker than usual. But this means that I can cut and will be ready to push it hard and break my previous limits in the off season.
My water seems to have completely returned to normal, and my condition is better than it was pre surgery I would say. I also looked through photos of last cut, and I am definitely leaner now than last time, it’s just hard to tell because the light is not the same. I think last cut I was still a bit drier, as I don’t have my full masteron and anti-estrogen, fat burners and thyroid hormones in yet.
Slowww
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3 more weeks to cut, fat burners back in, carbs down, and it’s back to off season.
Slowww
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100.5kg/221lbs
Lower abdomen finally not protruding with fat. So Im almost done, at a place I can grow again very soon.
Diet is not too hard on the hunger side, but I have been very tired recently. My wife is hoping my diet will end soon because she wants me to take her to dinner haha. With my new test day diet it’s tough to even go to restaurants and eat lean cuts of beef for example. So I haven’t been able to eat even weighed beef at hot pot or Japanese bbq spots (where we pay by gram of meat depending on specific grade/fat content)
For quarter turns Im not sure which I prefer, feet in Line, or back foot staggered. But I am happy with how the pose improved. My quarter turns were quite bad before.
Lower abdomen finally not protruding with fat. So Im almost done, at a place I can grow again very soon.
Diet is not too hard on the hunger side, but I have been very tired recently. My wife is hoping my diet will end soon because she wants me to take her to dinner haha. With my new test day diet it’s tough to even go to restaurants and eat lean cuts of beef for example. So I haven’t been able to eat even weighed beef at hot pot or Japanese bbq spots (where we pay by gram of meat depending on specific grade/fat content)
For quarter turns Im not sure which I prefer, feet in Line, or back foot staggered. But I am happy with how the pose improved. My quarter turns were quite bad before.
Wizbang
Member
Stud. Looking great man, surgery took an already great chest and dialed it up a notch!
Slowww
Member
Thanks bro! It’s still healing, but I think in 6 months it’s gonna be at an entirely new level, after another blast and it’s 100% free of inflammation & skin adhesion
Slowww
Member
Forgot front and rear bicep.
Front bicep has some adhesion problems on chest still, but really still better than the gyno lumps. Surgeon said it should clear in 4-5 months completely. This is a very bad pose for me. Because of my height and long limbs, I am very stringy & this lighting doesn’t help hahaha.
Front bicep has some adhesion problems on chest still, but really still better than the gyno lumps. Surgeon said it should clear in 4-5 months completely. This is a very bad pose for me. Because of my height and long limbs, I am very stringy & this lighting doesn’t help hahaha.
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