Mass Spec Thread

[whodatnation]

The show will go on and in hindsight we should've kept Myth on the down low and used his information to form our decisions here on Meso. I think we got a little ahead of ourselves and this puts reality back into perspective. Big money is involved here and where there is big money there are big problems and putting a family man out on front street wasn't the brightest of idea's. We will continue to oust these never do right's and there will be another with mass spec analysis and this time we will know to protect him. Lessons earned are lessons learned

 

[JackC4]

All the proof anyone here will ever need to validate what Brother Brutus is saying can be found in the outcome of one member ---> Stretch.

That mother fucker was Jesus with a keyboard here at Meso for a few months last year. We even had members vowing to drive to Detroit to defend his honor. Now there are at least 10 members who would drive a bus to Detroit just to have the chance to run him over with it.

You fucking nailed that one, stretch was Jesus Christ at the keyboard!!! And he took full advantage of that shit

 

[Varvet]

A sad turn of events. Some kind of systematic, accountable mass spec testing is the only way this underground market will really be able to self-regulate effectively. I hope a solution is figured out soon!

 

[whodatnation]

Maybe it takes us making a board account , people dealing with finances help me here, where board members anonymously apply funds that then pay whoever or whatever company anywhere in the world to mass spec gear for us. Someone somewhere has this equipment and hell maybe that is the answer , build a fund to buy the equipment for one of our resident pharmacist that can properly operate. I am just thinking and being that I haven't slept much lately as I proofread this post I realized how many holes are in it lol. Fuck it I will still post it though and maybe someone will come up with a good idea off of it.

 

[lightspan]

Maybe it takes us making a board account , people dealing with finances help me here, where board members anonymously apply funds that then pay whoever or whatever company anywhere in the world to mass spec gear for us. Someone somewhere has this equipment and hell maybe that is the answer , build a fund to buy the equipment for one of our resident pharmacist that can properly operate. I am just thinking and being that I haven't slept much lately as I proofread this post I realized how many holes are in it lol. Fuck it I will still post it though and maybe someone will come up with a good idea off of it.

It makes sense, brother, hope you're feeling better.

When I get a chance to come up for air (work is crushing me) I will post the MS guide I mentioned over the weekend, and start making some inquiries about independent labs for testing. It will need to be ex-US, no lab in the states will do it for obvious reasons, but I am almost certain there are CROs either in Eastern Europe, India or China that will do the analyses. We, as a community, can find a solution which will serve the common good. No one, UGL, skeptic, or naysayer, can argue with the results from an independent 3rd party lab. If all (ok many, all is thousands) of us are sending samples for analysis, the finger cannot be pointed at any one of us.

 

[Ulfhednainn]

Maybe it takes us making a board account , people dealing with finances help me here, where board members anonymously apply funds that then pay whoever or whatever company anywhere in the world to mass spec gear for us. Someone somewhere has this equipment and hell maybe that is the answer , build a fund to buy the equipment for one of our resident pharmacist that can properly operate. I am just thinking and being that I haven't slept much lately as I proofread this post I realized how many holes are in it lol. Fuck it I will still post it though and maybe someone will come up with a good idea off of it.

I was thinking the same thing. Youre right there are a lot of holes in it. First off if it's affiliated or operated by a member of the board or a committee its still open to the same accusation of credibility. Not to mention the extra headache of potential mismanagement of funds. Same goes for a non-affiliated person(s). There would have to be a great deal of transparency involved for the idea to work, which isnt totally feasible in this arena. Barring revolutionary game-changing scenarios, the best bet is to break it off/out in cliques. Sort of how its done with private dealers. IE: Myth keeps doing tests for himself and very select trusted friends and they all keep it on the downlow. No one mentions it or says a word but makes use of the info for themselves. It works because transparency isnt needed as much as the smaller, close-knit group trusts one another and it's not a public thing. Several cliques spring up, new members brought in by invite/referal. The cycle goes on, but at a certain threshold will still produce the same holes. And its not really solving the problem of making it a public service to all. The idea is just at odds with the means currently given.

 

[whodatnation]

Thanks for asking and the truth is that better won't be seen until after my surgery July 14th. The nerve is so impeded upon I have lost two inces to my right arm. You can visually see a big difference between my left and right arms with just the casual eye. I will have some work to do after the surgery but you bet your ass this coon ass will rise again

There is a solution here and we will eventually figure it out.

It makes sense, brother, hope you're feeling better.

When I get a chance to come up for air (work is crushing me) I will post the MS guide I mentioned over the weekend, and start making some inquiries about independent labs for testing. It will need to be ex-US, no lab in the states will do it for obvious reasons, but I am almost certain there are CROs either in Eastern Europe, India or China that will do the analyses. We, as a community, can find a solution which will serve the common good. No one, UGL, skeptic, or naysayer, can argue with the results from an independent 3rd party lab. If all (ok many, all is thousands) of us are sending samples for analysis, the finger cannot be pointed at any one of us.

 

[Ulfhednainn]

It will need to be ex-US, no lab in the states will do it for obvious reasons, but I am almost certain there are CROs either in Eastern Europe, India or China that will do the analyses. We, as a community, can find a solution which will serve the common good. No one, UGL, skeptic, or naysayer, can argue with the results from an independent 3rd party lab. If all (ok many, all is thousands) of us are sending samples for analysis, the finger cannot be pointed at any one of us.

You can always cast doubt and argue something. It sucks but thats the way it is, every person and everything is susceptible to mistakes/corruption even thrid parties. UGL's will find an argument, and confusion will still be all over the place.

Sidenote mythos lore: Its the same principle Loki used to cause discord among the Aesir by accusing Odin's wife Frigg of cheating on him. It couldn't be proved, and more evidence was against his claim than anything else. But it still caused dissension.

 

[whodatnation]

Here's the kicker though , if we just take care of those in front of us, our community, it matters not what those on the outside say. This will be a Meso oriented idea with the protection of our community being the driving factor behind it. The info will spread from here and some boards will discredit it but the truth has a way of always showing itself in due time. Indirectly over time if we take care of our board everyone else will fall in line and the majority ( majority of this industry is buyers ) will over take the minority ( this is the snake oil salesman ).

You can always cast doubt and argue something. It sucks but thats the way it is, every person and everything is susceptible to mistakes/corruption even thrid parties. UGL's will find an argument, and confusion will still be all over the place.

Sidenote mythos lore: Its the same principle Loki used to cause discord among the Aesir by accusing Odin's wife Frigg of cheating on him. It couldn't be proved, and more evidence was against his claim than anything else. But it still caused dissension.

 

[pumpingiron22]

Maybe we could find one in mexico. Are money is worth more there. It legal over there. Plus it would not have to go a long way since they are neighbor in some sorts. Just an idea.

 

[Ulfhednainn]

Here's the kicker though , if we just take care of those in front of us, our community, it matters not what those on the outside say. This will be a Meso oriented idea with the protection of our community being the driving factor behind it. The info will spread from here and some boards will discredit it but the truth has a way of always showing itself in due time. Indirectly over time if we take care of our board everyone else will fall in line and the majority ( majority of this industry is buyers ) will over take the minority ( this is the snake oil salesman ).

Yeah I was talking of just this community. In theory that COULD work, but there's just as equal of a chance of eventually the tester/figurehead/designated leader being crucified by the masses. In a way the same cycle that just happened with Myth would replay. Im not disagreeing with this idea. Just saying either way will still be a shitstorm. Going the public route Id agree the best course would be multiple third party labs producing comparative results. Would just be walking a wire with the funding pool idea, would have to limit not just who holds the $$$ but who can contribute. Just cause, for example, im a new guy. So I pitch in 50 bucks, doesnt mean I should have a say in how that pool gets spent on what gear or, you know whats coming, is MY gear any good.

 

[newtoketo]

at least we're heading back in the right direction again..

 

[whodatnation]

Exactly!! It sucks being any new guy that would want to join but the truth of the matter is these companies will send shill after shill to the front lines and try to discredit from the inside out. I am not saying that my idea is the one we ever use but we must continue thinking outside the box and stay focused on our true agenda , and that is that when I pay for something as a consumer I expect what I pay for to actually be what I get. Don't give me the crap about it being illegal ya da ya da. When I sold coke and ecstasy I didn't fuck people over because I wanted returning customers. Anyone with a brain that dealed or used when they got shorted by the dealer they found a new one. It is one and the same.

Yeah I was talking of just this community. In theory that COULD work, but there's just as equal of a chance of eventually the tester/figurehead/designated leader being crucified by the masses. In a way the same cycle that just happened with Myth would replay. Im not disagreeing with this idea. Just saying either way will still be a shitstorm. Going the public route Id agree the best course would be multiple third party labs producing comparative results. Would just be walking a wire with the funding pool idea, would have to limit not just who holds the $$$ but who can contribute. Just cause, for example, im a new guy. So I pitch in 50 bucks, doesnt mean I should have a say in how that pool gets spent on what gear or, you know whats coming, is MY gear any good.

 

[TheGuy85]

Good luck to you guys. I would like to see something like this unfold but I am always skeptical. It's just sad that a country would rather throw away taxpayer money throwing people in prison than protecting people from potentially dangerous substances through the use of harm reduction services. There are advocacy groups for this type of stuff though in the U.S. I believe. Unfortunately most of the concern goes towards the hard drug abusers.

These people are so clueless they believe it is common for AAS users to share needles. Like AAS users are poor junkies looking for another fix, more concerned about getting their shit than preventing disease. The reason they are so out of touch is because they can't really identify AAS users. I think AAS use amongst teen athletes is what put the spotlight on AAS users and tougher regulations. Some kid kills himself, they find a vial of test and the parents go on a manhunt. Some asshole politician caters to the shit and boom you got police raiding gyms, doctors getting shut down, and people landing in prison or ending up with criminal records.

 

[whodatnation]

What you have is the usual propaganda used by our wonderful government. Use disinformation and fear to control the masses. Yeah , that high school teenager flipped the fuck out while using steroids. One his hormones aren't even balanced yet to even begin AAS use but the knowledge on how to control E2 sides aren't even learned yet. I am a harcore thinker in that I believe in making everything legal and let the cards fall as they may. You would see a ten fold decrease in active users . The people that were hell bent on killing themselves with drugs would finally be left to natural selection. What we have now is an entertainment industry steadily pumping drugs and sex down children's throats and using mickey fucking mouse to do it. Yep, there I went lol. Sorry about that rant

Prison is without a doubt the biggest fucking scam going right now. Aramark who serves the food in most penitentiaries across the US is just another face of corporate America. Just had to get that off my chest too. Mf'ers almost starved me in Bonifay,FL lol

Good luck to you guys. I would like to see something like this unfold but I am always skeptical. It's just sad that a country would rather throw away taxpayer money throwing people in prison than protecting people from potentially dangerous substances through the use of harm reduction services. There are advocacy groups for this type of stuff though in the U.S. I believe. Unfortunately most of the concern goes towards the hard drug abusers.

These people are so clueless they believe it is common for AAS users to share needles. Like AAS users are poor junkies looking for another fix, more concerned about getting their shit than preventing disease. The reason they are so out of touch is because they can't really identify AAS users. I think AAS use amongst teen athletes is what put the spotlight on AAS users and tougher regulations. Some kid kills himself, they find a vial of test and the parents go on a manhunt. Some asshole politician caters to the shit and boom you got police raiding gyms, doctors getting shut down, and people landing in prison or ending up with criminal records.

 

[TheGuy85]

What you have is the usual propaganda used by our wonderful government. Use disinformation and fear to control the masses. Yeah , that high school teenager flipped the fuck out while using steroids. One his hormones aren't even balanced yet to even begin AAS use but the knowledge on how to control E2 sides aren't even learned yet. I am a harcore thinker in that I believe in making everything legal and let the cards fall as they may. You would see a ten fold decrease in active users . The people that were hell bent on killing themselves with drugs would finally be left to natural selection. What we have now is an entertainment industry steadily pumping drugs and sex down children's throats and using mickey fucking mouse to do it. Yep, there I went lol. Sorry about that rant

Prison is without a doubt the biggest fucking scam going right now. Aramark who serves the food in most penitentiaries across the US is just another face of corporate America. Just had to get that off my chest too. Mf'ers almost starved me in Bonifay,FL lol

Major spending cutbacks nationwide in prisons. The prisons get a bonus for budgeting. This has led to less room for housing, less food, worse healthcare in prisons. You can't tell me that 1% of the American population belongs in prison. Sentencing is becoming more lenient because of some sort of racial disparity where minorities make up the majority of the prison population. Shit is apparently only an issue when race is involved. The laws aren't fucked up apparently, they just aren't "fair" towards minorities. What a crock of shit, the U.S. is so fucked up.

We tighten prescription drug regulations which are now putting even more money in the hands of criminal organizations, while we waste more money fighting a drug war against the same organizations. At least Americans were getting a kick back when pill milling was big, not the fucking cartels pushing heroin. And lets not forget about the Islamic boogeyman that is apparently hiding around every corner, gotta dump tons of taxpayers money into that. And don't forget about the ridiculously expensive healthcare system. Big pharma is still getting paid though, God forbid prescription drugs become cheaper in the U.S.

 

[Millard]

Maybe it takes us making a board account , people dealing with finances help me here, where board members anonymously apply funds that then pay whoever or whatever company anywhere in the world to mass spec gear for us. Someone somewhere has this equipment and hell maybe that is the answer , build a fund to buy the equipment for one of our resident pharmacist that can properly operate. I am just thinking and being that I haven't slept much lately as I proofread this post I realized how many holes are in it lol. Fuck it I will still post it though and maybe someone will come up with a good idea off of it.

It has to be transparent. An anonymous account just means the public doesn't know who's controlling. That's not good for credibility.

It's also not a matter of having equipment. @MythotiK had the equipment and expertise to operate. But it is for the same reasons that he discontinued the service that any other member(s) would be thwarted.

The only way would be a legally-operating, DEA-licensed (or equivalent) independent third-party lab like @lightspan suggested. There results could not be questioned.

This still leaves open the chain of custody. That opens up a lot of credibility issues. But I think check and balances can be established to prove skeptics beyond reasonable doubt. The key is transparency of the process.

 

[Millard]

Yeah I was talking of just this community. In theory that COULD work, but there's just as equal of a chance of eventually the tester/figurehead/designated leader being crucified by the masses. In a way the same cycle that just happened with Myth would replay. Im not disagreeing with this idea. Just saying either way will still be a shitstorm. Going the public route Id agree the best course would be multiple third party labs producing comparative results. Would just be walking a wire with the funding pool idea, would have to limit not just who holds the $$$ but who can contribute. Just cause, for example, im a new guy. So I pitch in 50 bucks, doesnt mean I should have a say in how that pool gets spent on what gear or, you know whats coming, is MY gear any good.

REgarding funds, Bitcoin is the solution. There is a public ledger in the blockchain of all funds going in and out of the account. It won't necessarily stop the misappropriation of funds - but everyone could monitor it.

 

[whodatnation]

I am as white as it gets and you can't tell me anything along the lines that I got preferential treatment because I was white. I have two felonies and I served six years. Hell my first stint was for selling weed and ecstasy. The second for a damn bar fight in Jax Beach. It isn't set against race but it is set up against the poor. And at that time I was poor and couldn't afford a lawyer so I had a public defendant who had over 1,000 cases and all she wanted to do was take a plea bargain and threaten me with max sentences if I took it to trial. It is the exact same reason why you see a complete disassociation of the American middle class. This class is almost to the brink of extinction because there is no difference in jobs and their pay scales. Hell you flip burgers at Mickey D's now and make 12 dollar an hour.As long as you believe the hate propaganda that the media uses to control the masses you will miss out on what is really happening in America. Off my soap box now

 

[phil mcgroin]

I csn just hear the UGL making there ordets now ' its ok chin just send me the cheapest shit you got"