Mass Spec Thread

[Millard]

but wouldn't there be a similar lack of probability of their testing it in the first place? I wasn't really considering such a place as an option.

I think a few labs may be open to the idea. Their willingness to perform tests is one issue. Cost is another.

 

[Colt44]

I think a few labs may be open to the idea. Their willingness to perform tests is one issue. Cost is another.

This is going to be the biggest factor. If the testing is not affordable, it doesn't really matter if they're willing or legally able to test.

 

[jabrel3]

Awesome Millard, you're the man.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

The only option is multiple labs doing these mass specs. One lab=no credibility. None. Too much room for doubt- you need labs checking the results of other labs keeping everyone honest.

Case in point- let me show you how to shred the credibility of the testing done thus far.

Who essentially introduced astro with a first log and thread support/vouching for product quality? Myth.

Who essentially put all of astro's major competitors out of business with mass spec testing that COULD just be forms whipped up in photoshop? Myth.

Do we see where a conflict of interest could exist whether it actually does or not? If myth had affiliations or financial interests in astro he just performed an EPIC checkmate of meso business.

If we had another lab or labs to furnish results that mirrored his all that talk would be bullshit.... but instead we have forms with no labname from a lab that tests for eroids.

My point? Stop crying that myth isn't choosing to risk his freedom for peanuts (I know I wouldn't either) and make some fucking connections. Everyone has something to bring to the table- I guarantee it. Bring that instwad of bringing blind faith in any member- which is utterly foolish in my opinion.

Haha, well it's an interesting theory...

I thought there were some test results from Astro gear? No?

 

[brutus79]

Ha, well it's an interesting theory...

I thought there were some test results from Astro gear? No?

that was your 4, 000th post- and an eloquent one.

no astro mass spec. he refused to pay to have his products tested- he has his "own source" to mass spec cheaper supposedly... they just don't actually do it. just adds to the spicy conspiracy theory. C'MON DBOLMAN... YOU ARE SLIPPING

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

that was your 4, 000th post- and an eloquent one.

no astro mass spec. he refused to pay to have his products tested- he has his "own source" to mass spec cheaper supposedly... they just don't actually do it. just adds to the spicy conspiracy theory. C'MON DBOLMAN... YOU ARE SLIPPING

Good God!! Wish I could've had my post count drop down and kept my likes with the changeover!!

 

[MythotiK]

I'm on no ones payroll, I test for others, I've asked Astro to test and he said he had his own, can't force him to, and no one has sent me anything from him...That was a lot of commas...

I do not receive any product for compensation, I do not do it to make money (6-8 bucks is what's left after a test is done)...I also do not test anymore due to people exactly like yourself....



-Myth-

 

[calfcramp]

I have found a lab that will take samples. It's around 250. USD per and a minimum of three sample at a time. I have been searching and inquiring for a little while now. It's an up hill climb just finding these labs. I have no interest in being a front man in this but the more people searching the better. Two things to know. First: FDA regulates labs in the US so, unless you have friend, forgetaboutit. Second: The best of my learning, they don't regulate any UC, USC and probably all or most non US labs.

 

[drksanctuary]

There's a guy named angus that does mass spec. He tested the legend primo and cutstack.

 

[bickel29]

I have found a lab that will take samples. It's around 250. USD per and a minimum of three sample at a time. I have been searching and inquiring for a little while now. It's an up hill climb just finding these labs. I have no interest in being a front man in this but the more people searching the better. Two things to know. First: FDA regulates labs in the US so, unless you have friend, forgetaboutit. Second: The best of my learning, they don't regulate any UC, USC and probably all or most non US labs.

Calfcramp - I don't think we've really interacted before (I don't think we have pm'd) but I do want to say that I appreciate your intelligence and passion here on the forum. You are a thinking man, who seems to always be interested in progress here in this game. Thanks for looking for new ways and alternatives that could benefit all of us here. Keep up the good work.

Oh, and your avatar creeps me out.

 

[graniteman]

I'm on no ones payroll, I test for others, I've asked Astro to test and he said he had his own, can't force him to, and no one has sent me anything from him...That was a lot of commas...

I do not receive any product for compensation, I do not do it to make money (6-8 bucks is what's left after a test is done)...I also do not test anymore due to people exactly like yourself....



-Myth-

I think you and IM are taking things wrong. Nobody has questioned either's integrity or intentions. Where you guys are missing the point is people are questioning the actual lab\tester conducting the tests not either of yours integrity. No one can be above being questioned on the validity and credentials of the 'end' tester, it wouldn't fly anywhere just saying ''trust me and don't ask questions''.
Don't take this wrong, like I said no one has questioned you or IM's integrity , we're asking about who is actually doing the tests credentials.

 

[graniteman]

Many of the companies that offer testing have offices in mexico , canada etc. That's probably the best option to contact one of them and see the details\regs on sending samples to these offices for testing. Doesn't seem they would be subject to us restrictions

 

[GigaloRob]

I'm on no ones payroll, I test for others, I've asked Astro to test and he said he had his own, can't force him to, and no one has sent me anything from him...That was a lot of commas...

I do not receive any product for compensation, I do not do it to make money (6-8 bucks is what's left after a test is done)...I also do not test anymore due to people exactly like yourself....



-Myth-

Just wanted to offer my opinion on this whole matter. Not once did i see anything that I would consider suspicious when it pertained to what Myth was doing. I don't believe he was financially benefiting from doing testing and i don't believe there was any bad intentions on his part. Regardless of who is doing what test you still have to just use it as one piece to a bigger puzzle. It's up to me/you to decide if the information you are receiving is without prejudice. Is there are way to know 100% for sure about anything unless you are doing everything yourself? No. It's fine to me that people are skeptical considering I am usually regardless of who or what it is. To me there is not enough responsibility being expected from newer people to do their homework and to learn to make better judgements. I would not want to keep the training wheels on my daughter's bike forever. My hope and goal is that one day i can remove them because she has learned to ride on her own from what i have taught her . For the record i appreciated what Myth was doing and it's unfortunate things worked out the way they did.

 

[shredded]

Dose anyone have any proof that what was being done was not legit or are you guys hoping that if you throw enough mud some of it will stick. It seems to me that you are your own worst enemies. Talk about tearing yourselves apart from the inside. What happen to innocent until proven guilty. There are a lot of smart members on here surely you can get this right. Lab A puts out a doggy product, lab A gets tested and comes back confirmed doggy, this is the important bit backed up buy members own bad results from lab A"s gear.

Game over Lab A is is done.

You only need one source doing MS and when it gets confirmed with members bad results this should be enough.

Im a member of a number of boards in Australia and if those boards had access to this kind of resource we would soon know if there was a agender, we certainly we not burn it just for the sake of saying what if.

 

[brutus79]

Dose anyone have any proof that what was being done was not legit or are you guys hoping that if you throw enough mud some of it will stick. It seems to me that you are your own worst enemies. Talk about tearing yourselves apart from the inside. What happen to innocent until proven guilty. There are a lot of smart members on here surely you can get this right. Lab A puts out a doggy product, lab A gets tested and comes back confirmed doggy, this is the important bit backed up buy members own bad results from lab A"s gear.

Game over Lab A is is done.

You only need one source doing MS and when it gets confirmed with members bad results this should be enough.

Im a member of a number of boards in Australia and if those boards had access to this kind of resource we would soon know if there was a agender, we certainly we not burn it just for the sake of saying what if.

maybe in Australia you prefer to trust people until you get fucked. thats not how things work in my parts- and since quite a bit of the conversation seemed to be over your head I will reiterate the difficult part. nobody was calling anyone a liar, but if you can't fathom the inherent risk for corruption I am glad you are not the one gaurding the fence.

 

[shredded]

Well I knew it wouldn't be long until you threw a insult my way, seems that's your style, do continue to enlighten me with your wisdom. Oh I did not use the word liar, maybe you should re read my post.

 

[brutus79]

You start manfacturing steroids. I produce a piece of paper with no lab name, no accredited affiliation- nothing to prove authenticity in any way. This piece of paper says gear I supposedly got from your operation is bad. You get put out of business. The ugl I own unbeknownst to everyone now has more customers. You really don't see where there is a potential issue?

I personally trust myth- I do not trust who he uses for testing. Not. One. Bit. Should I stick my head in the sand and be quiet? Nope- if the dingo ate my baby I'm gonna tell everyone, ya dig? If I had unlimited cash I would vacation in your country all the time- please don't let the fact that it is so difficult to get good gear in Australia cloud your judgement. People lie and fuck people all the time when cash is involved. Thats really all I'm saying- check and balance is the only way for a successful democracy

 

[03xx52]

You start manfacturing steroids. I produce a piece of paper with no lab name, no accredited affiliation- nothing to prove authenticity in any way. This piece of paper says gear I supposedly got from your operation is bad. You get put out of business. The ugl I own unbeknownst to everyone now has more customers. You really don't see where there is a potential issue?

I personally trust myth- I do not trust who he uses for testing. Not. One. Bit. Should I stick my head in the sand and be quiet? Nope- if the dingo ate my baby I'm gonna tell everyone, ya dig? If I had unlimited cash I would vacation in your country all the time- please don't let the fact that it is so difficult to get good gear in Australia cloud your judgement. People lie and fuck people all the time when cash is involved. Thats really all I'm saying- check and balance is the only way for a successful democracy

I understand what you are saying but it is quiet difficult to fake mass spec stuff man. I know myth asked me about 5 months ago if I would be interested in using my equipment and honestly I did not feel comfortable testing for other people. I trust this dude, I have no weight around here really, but he isn't trying to fuck anyone. It would take more time to make up results than just run them through. My last MFL shit ran at 57% purity but it was solid on GC ( minimal peaks showing minimal cross contamination). I run my own tests, if you want shit done right do it yourself...you know?

 

[brutus79]

I understand what you are saying but it is quiet difficult to fake mass spec stuff man. I know myth asked me about 5 months ago if I would be interested in using my equipment and honestly I did not feel comfortable testing for other people. I trust this dude, I have no weight around here really, but he isn't trying to fuck anyone. It would take more time to make up results than just run them through. My last MFL shit ran at 57% purity but it was solid on GC ( minimal peaks showing minimal cross contamination). I run my own tests, if you want shit done right do it yourself...you know?

that last statement is something I have burned into my forehead... I personally think the guy has mountains of mass spec he has done over the years and just pulls old results and recycles them sometimes... and really all I am saying is it wouldn't hurt to have another place to check these things- and since muth backed out and several people seem to have irons in the fire it is a foregone conclusion at this point.

 

[newtoketo]

but if you can't do it yourself? well it was nice to have someone who volunteered to help! just sayin...