Mass Spec Thread

I think a few labs may be open to the idea. Their willingness to perform tests is one issue. Cost is another.

I would be interested in this, if not as a collective then as an individual.

When we talk about cost you have take into account what you are potentially saving.

Trips to the ER are not cheap for those of us who pay for them, and an infection could be quite costly and can cause permanent disfigurement.
Let us not forget injecting some female birth control, straight estrogen (quick sex change) or some heavy metals.

Honesty Gear for the most part is cheap but peace of mind is priceless.
 
Not hard for me to get good gear in Aus mate see pic.
Not questioning your right to question but if the labs are not identified buy name and only a code which the sender has access to and know one else I see little room for corruption.
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I can see the problems with the setup you put forth, but it was the best we had. First onus should be on the guys producing in my opinion. If members have issue with gear, then we get a mass spec back confirming crap gear, then like others have said...that is pretty much good enough for me.

If a ugl lab gets shut down, then i'm not going to shed too many tears, especially one with a bad rep and a batch of bad tests. Compared to what is going to happen if we shut down the mass specs altogether it is the better of the two options i think. Dirtbag ugl's putting just enough product in their gear to pass a labmax and running the same games they have for years. I'm done with the fake 50mg amps that are supposed to be 250mg and the stealth bath oils.

Brutus, i hear what you are saying in that it could get nasty between ugl's and whatnot, but i would rather have them fighting to stay in business than to have people running around with 500mg of bath oil in their asses or worse.

As end consumers in this we don't have all that much control. We have our word of mouth, labmax tests, forums, bloodwork, and in a few rare cases mass spec results. I have already seen bloodwork crapped on by multiple users on other forums. People are called to the carpet for what you were putting forth as examples and saying they are just competitors trying to smear them, etc. It gets nasty. The scum running bunk gear are going to call anything into question, be it labmax, bloodwork, or whatever. I personally would rather have mass spec results as another tool in the toolbox. Almost any lab would have to be more reputable than half the ugl's repping on e-roids and the like until they prove otherwise.
 
I can see the problems with the setup you put forth, but it was the best we had. First onus should be on the guys producing in my opinion. If members have issue with gear, then we get a mass spec back confirming crap gear, then like others have said...that is pretty much good enough for me.

If a ugl lab gets shut down, then i'm not going to shed too many tears, especially one with a bad rep and a batch of bad tests. Compared to what is going to happen if we shut down the mass specs altogether it is the better of the two options i think. Dirtbag ugl's putting just enough product in their gear to pass a labmax and running the same games they have for years. I'm done with the fake 50mg amps that are supposed to be 250mg and the stealth bath oils.

Brutus, i hear what you are saying in that it could get nasty between ugl's and whatnot, but i would rather have them fighting to stay in business than to have people running around with 500mg of bath oil in their asses or worse.

As end consumers in this we don't have all that much control. We have our word of mouth, labmax tests, forums, bloodwork, and in a few rare cases mass spec results. I have already seen bloodwork crapped on by multiple users on other forums. People are called to the carpet for what you were putting forth as examples and saying they are just competitors trying to smear them, etc. It gets nasty. The scum running bunk gear are going to call anything into question, be it labmax, bloodwork, or whatever. I personally would rather have mass spec results as another tool in the toolbox. Almost any lab would have to be more reputable than half the ugl's repping on e-roids and the like until they prove otherwise.

Exactly this its better than nothing, besides most of us smart enough to know if were are pinning 1 gram of test a week and its producing less than expected results, then we get it ms and it comes back 98% within range, we do blood work and still it don't measure up, then the ms is suss.

Ms is a tool to be used with bloods, experience and members feed back, seems to me we just shot ourselves in the foot for the sake of a argument.
 
Exactly this its better than nothing, besides most of us smart enough to know if were are pinning 1 gram of test a week and its producing less than expected results, then we get it ms and it comes back 98% within range, we do blood work and still it don't measure up, then the ms is suss.

Ms is a tool to be used with bloods, experience and members feed back, seems to me we just shot ourselves in the foot for the sake of a argument.
I guess I am confused as to what you mean- how were we shot in the foot? myth is done because of what sources said and the risk vs. profit imbalance. it is what it is.

all I am saying is that when we get this shit done down the road there needs to be more transparency. thats all. mfl and granabolic (the two labs sunk by mass spec) are scamming sacks of shit- not a doubt in my mind. not the point here because I don't give a fuck about any lab- I am concerned about Meso. people from other boards come here for the truth about other suppliers and their lab max / mass spec results. I want to make sure the truth is what they ate getting.
 
that last statement is something I have burned into my forehead... I personally think the guy has mountains of mass spec he has done over the years and just pulls old results and recycles them sometimes... and really all I am saying is it wouldn't hurt to have another place to check these things- and since muth backed out and several people seem to have irons in the fire it is a foregone conclusion at this point.
I agree with everything you are saying, BUT... If wherever Myth gets this shit done has an agenda, what would be the benefit of ever giving positive results to any competing lab. Not every lab that is submitted has bad results. I have not checked every result that has been posted, but I'm assuming this is the case. If not, we definitely have an issue. Whoever keeps up with MS, what would you say the ratio is of passing labs vs failing Labs through Myth, or any other known tester?
 
That brings us back to what is passing.
is 75% pure and within 10% of stated dosage passing?
how about 50% pure and slightly over stated dose?
 
Great point. I would think within 10% is reasonable for ugl, but has that even been the case? All I catch is the negative shit on results
 
I don't think to many people send in there gear when it is the "fire" and obviously good.
It gets sent in when it is questionable in the first place.
Therefore the statistics get skewed toward failure.
FWIW I sent in two samples of some of the 'Good Guys', so we shall see
 
FWIW I sent in two samples of some of the 'Good Guys', so we shall see

This bring up something Flenser had talked about, posting test results that are positive are an indirect endorsement of the source.

People see the positive test and therefore believe source is GTG. It plays perfectly into a scamming source that sends out good gear in the beginning as bait.
Then come the BOGO sale and out flows the crap
 
I guess I am confused as to what you mean- how were we shot in the foot? myth is done because of what sources said and the risk vs. profit imbalance. it is what it is.

all I am saying is that when we get this shit done down the road there needs to be more transparency. thats all. mfl and granabolic (the two labs sunk by mass spec) are scamming sacks of shit- not a doubt in my mind. not the point here because I don't give a fuck about any lab- I am concerned about Meso. people from other boards come here for the truth about other suppliers and their lab max / mass spec results. I want to make sure the truth is what they ate getting.

Well let me explain and thank you for finally calming down so we can have a educated discussion. Im mainly talking raws as you can see buy my picture I have no problem sourcing pharma gear in Aus. With my work I often send samples to a lab for legionella analysis.

We never identify the company buy name instead we use a number that only I know, when the results come back from the lab it only has a code number on it that I match to the company I took the sample from, its either positive or not but that's irrelevant.

My point being if I was to send you a sample with no identifying marks only a code you would test and give me back the results. There's little room for corruption as who's sample did I send you.

There's no way for you to know as it only contains a number, how could any underground lab pay money to have incorrect results if all samples are not identified buy lab names, granted this only works for the sender as he retains all control over identifying the source but isn't this what we want, to be able to send our gear somewhere without the tester knowing where it come from and get a result.
 
This bring up something Flenser had talked about, posting test results that are positive are an indirect endorsement of the source.

People see the positive test and therefore believe source is GTG. It plays perfectly into a scamming source that sends out good gear in the beginning as bait.
Then come the BOGO sale and out flows the crap
True. After Pep, BOGO sales are a huge red flag for me. I have a comfort level because I know neither lab had any idea I would test their shit, it was a completely random order. Trusting Myth's source for the results could possibly be an issue, but at least if both labs turn up positive (and are in no way affiliated) we have a starting discussion point for the legitimacy of these tests.
 
I agree that is the way it is supposed to work, source not knowing...
and I like shreddeds idea of tester not knowing from whom or what lab.
 
Well let me explain and thank you for finally calming down so we can have a educated discussion. Im mainly talking raws as you can see buy my picture I have no problem sourcing pharma gear in Aus. With my work I often send samples to a lab for legionella analysis.

We never identify the company buy name instead we use a number that only I know, when the results come back from the lab it only has a code number on it that I match to the company I took the sample from, its either positive or not but that's irrelevant.

My point being if I was to send you a sample with no identifying marks only a code you would test and give me back the results. There's little room for corruption as who's sample did I send you.

There's no way for you to know as it only contains a number, how could any underground lab pay money to have incorrect results if all samples are not identified buy lab names, granted this only works for the sender as he retains all control over identifying the source but isn't this what we want, to be able to send our gear somewhere without the tester knowing where it come from and get a result.

"Thank you for finally calming down"? You lost me there...

I haven't seen angry brutus post in this conversation all day?! Stop with the condescending tone towards one of the boards finest.. Old timer. ;)
 
"Thank you for finally calming down"? You lost me there...

I haven't seen angry brutus post in this conversation all day?! Stop with the condescending tone towards one of the boards finest.. Old timer. ;)

Refer back to post 615 as he indicated the conversation was over my head, no condescending tone here mate although I don't know how you can get a tone from written text. I honestly think he has the boards best interests at heart.

I would like to see what's best for the board too, your welcome to your opinion.
 
I agree that is the way it is supposed to work, source not knowing...
and I like shreddeds idea of tester not knowing from whom or what lab.
What shredded doesn't seem to understand is if the tester, the guy doing the tests, has a relationship to a source the tests are suspect. Eroids is run by longtime scammers. Log in there and it's pretty apparent by the banners and logos who's running the show. I wont mention names just go log in and see. Boards with PAID sponsors can not be trusted, public or private or whatever.
send your tabs, caps and raws to ecstasy.org for now, pretty doubtful a guy would have bunk oils if his powders are gtg.
The BOGO theory is absolutely correct. you shut one dbag down he just opens under another name the next day. Find a legit guy and stick with him, if its too good to be true , it is
 
I think we may all be saying the same thing.
Like the analogy of three blind men describing an elephant by touch.

Ideally we could use a lab similar to ecstasy.org that is not affiliated with anyone but can deal with finished products as well as raws.
 
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