Mass Spec Thread

[shredded]

What shredded doesn't seem to understand is if the tester, the guy doing the tests, has a relationship to a source the tests are suspect. Eroids is run by longtime scammers. Log in there and it's pretty apparent by the banners and logos who's running the show. I wont mention names just go log in and see. Boards with PAID sponsors can not be trusted, public or private or whatever.
send your tabs, caps and raws to ecstasy.org for now, pretty doubtful a guy would have bunk oils if his powders are gtg.
The BOGO theory is absolutely correct. you shut one dbag down he just opens under another name the next day. Find a legit guy and stick with him, if its too good to be true , it is

Ok i'll take that on board.
But if the tester has know idea of where the samples come from how can said source influence samples, maybe im dumb but if samples come with a number that only the sender has access too.

Lets say im the lab, you send me Trex labs tren with label attached, the guy that runs this lab can pay me to massage the results. correct.

Im receiving multiple samples a week which are labelled buy lab names. easy to corrupt.

But if you send the same sample label removed and a number or letter which only you know, how is the source going to influence that, i think there is now way a underground lab can sit there and monitor every single sample that comes in and especially if it doesn't have there name on it.

What im proposing is members send un marked samples in with maybe the code of some sort. The tester has no idea where they come from all they need to do is give a result, and that goes back to the sender.

Step two its up to that member to revile these results, surely we can trust each other to do that, after all we are supposed to be looking out for each other not arguing like girls lol.

 

[bickel29]

Step two its up to that member to revile these results, surely we can trust each other to do that, after all we are supposed to be looking out for each other not arguing like girls lol.

Alright shredded, I appreciate your passion here, but you have to understand something. There are some members here that you can not trust AT ALL. They are snakes, posing as noble members, that are steering traffic to the labs that they own under different handles. Or perhaps they are in cahoots with a source, and they get kickbacks ($$$, gear, both?) for their "unbiased" input on the board here that just so happens to steer customers into the source they are partners with - or worse yet, they offer rigged and/or fake labmax/bloods/MS on competitor labs designed to hurt the competition.

I am not saying it is prevalent or happening on a widespread level. But it happens.

You just need to be aware of this when you start thinking that "surely we can trust each other". Often times we can - sometimes we can not.

 

[newtoketo]

being the devils advocate..bickel29 just beat me to it, lol. Assuming the "labs have say 50 to 100 or more of their own sending samples in...or just stating that they do, what then?

I meant to say 50 to 100 more of their own

 

[newtoketo]

should we vote on a council lol?

 

[element00]

Alright shredded, I appreciate your passion here, but you have to understand something. There are some members here that you can not trust AT ALL. They are snakes, posing as noble members, that are steering traffic to the labs that they own under different handles. Or perhaps they are in cahoots with a source, and they get kickbacks ($$$, gear, both?) for their "unbiased" input on the board here that just so happens to steer customers into the source they are partners with - or worse yet, they offer rigged and/or fake labmax/bloods/MS on competitor labs designed to hurt the competition.

I am not saying it is prevalent or happening on a widespread level. But it happens.

You just need to be aware of this when you start thinking that "surely we can trust each other". Often times we can - sometimes we can not.

Thanks bickel I was starting to feel a bit nauseated from how simple things would be in this perfect world being spoken of

 

[shredded]

Alright shredded, I appreciate your passion here, but you have to understand something. There are some members here that you can not trust AT ALL. They are snakes, posing as noble members, that are steering traffic to the labs that they own under different handles. Or perhaps they are in cahoots with a source, and they get kickbacks ($$$, gear, both?) for their "unbiased" input on the board here that just so happens to steer customers into the source they are partners with - or worse yet, they offer rigged and/or fake labmax/bloods/MS on competitor labs designed to hurt the competition.

I am not saying it is prevalent or happening on a widespread level. But it happens.

You just need to be aware of this when you start thinking that "surely we can trust each other". Often times we can - sometimes we can not.

Ok mate i will take that on board, it appears that i have ruffled some feathers and if i had fucked up then buy all means sorry. I suppose that's what happens being new to this board i do mean well but i haven't got the experience of you guys yet, give me time i will get the feel for things, just to let you know im legit and not just another blow in.

If you go to AGJ this is a aus board you can check out my posts, user name is the same. Those of you in the know will find it.

Finally if i have offended anyone then that was not my intention sorry, I took this step because my Chinees supplier sent me test instead of primo, lucky me not.

I have this years Nationals coming up which i plan on doing quite well, ill change my avi so i get some cred.

 

[devildog93]

Well obviously you would have to take members at their word to a point. In most cases i would trust a member more than i would trust a source, but as you say there are posers surely. Wouldn't this still be better than nothing though? If someone ran a mass spec on lab x, then revealed it was lab x who had test c at 25% purity...couldn't we then take him at his word or possibly double-check him?

With some sources doing selective scamming i don't know how you would go about this. I have heard people swear they had the best stealth cycle ever for instance, but i know for a fact any stealth satchets i received were full of nothing of value. In the end you only have the guy's word that the supplier he provides is what he sent to test. I still think that is better than nothing though definitely not fool-proof.

We know having suppliers send their own crap to test is a no go as they would test good stuff and still send crap out to people. So really the only foolproof way is to test your own bloods and mass spec before-hand if possible and go from there, not trusting anyone. Then we are left with just word of mouth and people relating their experiences. This will of course turn into shouting matches between people that got crap gear, sources calling them clowns and liars, people that were lucky enough to get the 1 in 10 packs that was legit agreeing with the scamming supplier, etc. It's a mess.

 

[element00]

Ok mate i will take that on board, it appears that i have ruffled some feathers and if i had fucked up then buy all means sorry. I suppose that's what happens being new to this board i do mean well but i haven't got the experience of you guys yet, give me time i will get the feel for things, just to let you know im legit and not just another blow in.

If you go to AGJ this is a aus board you can check out my posts, user name is the same. Those of you in the know will find it.

Finally if i have offended anyone then that was not my intention sorry, I took this step because my Chinees supplier sent me test instead of primo, lucky me not.

I have this years Nationals coming up which i plan on doing quite well, ill change my avi so i get some cred.

Meso can always do with new members who are keen to get involved but there are guys here with a heap of experience and that needs to be respected. Take a step back, get to know the place and all will be well. Hopefully pissing on Brutus and JB is not the highlight of your stay

 

[newtoketo]

you made some valid points as well shredded. It's all part of the "'Let's look at this from all sides" that we are doing imho.
Being serious this time...

Businesses do that with hiring people who are sort of like a boss to them, "advisory committee" parties who have nothing to gain. Whom oversee and make tough decisions, not ones you necessarily want to hear.

Should we take a vote on a impartial committee to handle this? I'm talking about maybe some longterm members or people in the sport who would be willing to get involved?

I should probably just go to sleep lol

 

[noah_k]

Bro - impressive physique - but you don't have to disclose your identity!! It also has personal info in the URL -- think it'd be smart to remove it asap

 

[element00]

You sure you want to be that up front? Maybe we don't need so much info

 

[element00]

Haha you're quick Noah

 

[element00]

Shredded man calm down dude. Nobody's doubting your intentions at this stage. contribute in discussions and people will get to know you. No need to out your shit. Enjoy meso

 

[shredded]

Shredded man calm down dude. Nobody's doubting your intentions at this stage. contribute in discussions and people will get to know you. No need to out your shit. Enjoy meso

Point taken mate, seems to be a common theme, must be be me, fucking stupid aussies, lol
Thank you.

 

[bickel29]

Ok mate i will take that on board, it appears that i have ruffled some feathers and if i had fucked up then buy all means sorry. I suppose that's what happens being new to this board i do mean well but i haven't got the experience of you guys yet, give me time i will get the feel for things, just to let you know im legit and not just another blow in.

If you go to AGJ this is a aus board you can check out my posts, user name is the same. Those of you in the know will find it.

Finally if i have offended anyone then that was not my intention sorry, I took this step because my Chinees supplier sent me test instead of primo, lucky me not.

I have this years Nationals coming up which i plan on doing quite well, ill change my avi so i get some cred.

Shredded, I didn't say it previously, so I'll say it now - welcome to Meso.

I believe your intentions are good and that you want many of the same things we want. Anytime you are new to a board/forum it is risky to step out and start posting with the energy you put into this. I assure you that Brutus and Johnny are two of our most valuable members here, who fight FOR our members, and sometimes fight WITH our members. haha But it is with the same intentions as the rest of the legit brothers here - transparency and the desire to see the game evolve and get better FOR US THE END USERS.

Good luck as you continue to work towards your Nationals. You probably already know this, but be very leery of any 'members' reaching out to you via PM who are trying to sell you anything!

 

[noah_k]

Point taken mate, seems to be a common theme, must be be me, fucking stupid aussies, lol
Thank you.

If it makes you feel any better I just saw another aussie make a PSA he's giving up cycling as part of his new drug-tested career... law enforcement. But rest assured, he'll "stick around". Different board, terrible board, reddit.

 

[shredded]

Shredded, I didn't say it previously, so I'll say it now - welcome to Meso.

I believe your intentions are good and that you want many of the same things we want. Anytime you are new to a board/forum it is risky to step out and start posting with the energy you put into this. I assure you that Brutus and Johnny are two of our most valuable members here, who fight FOR our members, and sometimes fight WITH our members. haha But it is with the same intentions as the rest of the legit brothers here - transparency and the desire to see the game evolve and get better FOR US THE END USERS.

Good luck as you continue to work towards your Nationals. You probably already know this, but be very leery of any 'members' reaching out to you via PM who are trying to sell you anything!

Thanks mate, i thought long and hard about this. I too get lots of members coming to me on other boards asking stupid questions like how can i get big what strerones are best, yes i spelt that wrong purposely.

Can i do this publically since i challenged them publically its only right. Brutus and Johnny im sorry if i offended you, i think we want the same things.

Yes your right my pm box is getting very busy, lucky for me i get all my on HRT with a script.

 

[Millard]

You just need to be aware of this when you start thinking that "surely we can trust each other". Often times we can - sometimes we can not.

The best system is where everyone can trust the results but no one trusts each other; in fact, it would be mandatory that no one trust each other.

 

[WMSuperSport]

i trust no one, with anything, anywhere, at any time. Its a terrible feeling, but its just the way the world is. I expect to always get fucked, because I always will if I dont keep my guard up and be a step ahead of everyone else and prepare for the worst....

 

[Millard]

i trust no one, with anything, anywhere, at any time. Its a terrible feeling, but its just the way the world is. I expect to always get fucked, because I always will if I dont keep my guard up and be a step ahead of everyone else and prepare for the worst....

That approach will serve you particularly well in the androgen black market. "Only the paranoid survive." -- AG