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Mass Spec Thread

Millard Baker said:
I think you're seeing the beginning of change. If qualitative (labmax) and quantitative (mass spec) testing becomes more and more accessible to individual members, the number of individuals submitting samples will continue to increase. The traditional models of verifying AAS quality relied on trusting those "in the know" to tell you who was legit. Empowering the individual to verify AAS quality control is a shift.
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I think you're right and hopefully the trend continues.
With the wide availability of blood testing and the extremely small amount of blood test results I've seen that are not my own, I'm concerned that interest will drop once people begin expecting other to test product for them. I hope I'm wrong in drawing a comparison between blood tests and substance tests.

The very first thing I did when looking up AAS was look for testing. Very rarely have I seen blood tests evaluated objectively and the only place I've seen an explanation of what test values should be at x dosage is in Anabolics by Llewllyn.
 
Good things. Most sources are questioning their raws and the supplier. I think if a guys doing well in biz and getting no complaints he's not going to question but with just the threat of this is changing that. As long as the chins get the message...maybe time for Indian raws :). High demand in the chin's minds equal greedy decisions to cut corners.
Key is to keep the testing out of scammers influence, deep pockets are hard to beat. I disagree with the post all you need is honest guys sending in samples, you need a honest testing facility. That removes all questions. Like Millard Baker said , guys should be sending their own samples and getting their own conclusions
 
tacohuman said:
I think you're right and hopefully the trend continues.
With the wide availability of blood testing and the extremely small amount of blood test results I've seen that are not my own, I'm concerned that interest will drop once people begin expecting other to test product for them. I hope I'm wrong in drawing a comparison between blood tests and substance tests.

The very first thing I did when looking up AAS was look for testing. Very rarely have I seen blood tests evaluated objectively and the only place I've seen an explanation of what test values should be at x dosage is in Anabolics by Llewllyn.
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Testing is being talked about on just about every forum, so I don't think it's going anywhere soon. There are ''public protection'' services like the one I posted popping up all over, they test roids too. These will tell you what's in it just not concentrations or purity
Problem with BW is most end at 1500 and it doesn't tel l you if contaminants are present
 
From someone who knows jack (I didn't say Jax ladies) of the "business".. it's seems to be a serious shame for those people, to not "do the right thing" (for lack of a better term lol). In my simple mind.. they would have no need to "short" things. I mean they'd be too busy working lol. Doesn't really make sense now does it? talk about biting your nose to spite your face.
 
It makes sense if you are so easily able to hit a good amount of cash with shit product only to vanish and appear again with the same agenda. With labmax, blood testing and mass spec now attempting to even the playing field it is a little more difficult to get away with it long term. The reason it's done with shortcuts is because of greed and the ease of reappearing as someone else.
 
newtoketo said:
From someone who knows jack (I didn't say Jax ladies) of the "business".. it's seems to be a serious shame for those people, to not "do the right thing" (for lack of a better term lol). In my simple mind.. they would have no need to "short" things. I mean they'd be too busy working lol. Doesn't really make sense now does it? talk about biting your nose to spite your face.
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you have to remember it's black market, legally on the same lines as coke and heroin, how dumb is that? Do yourself a favor and never trust anyone to do the right thing. Research and make informed decisions, in the end you neve rknow when or who will disappear. Old school ethics are fading pretty fast, never send more than you can afford to lose
 
The proper rules of trust are no different for legal markets than for black markets. It's just more obvious in a black market. I've definitely gotten bunk cialis from Kmart when my insurance company used to pay for it. My mother takes some expensive drugs for a spine disorder, and has proven only one of the three suppliers is legit. Yet they are all still distributing it. The reports of bunk and under dosed supplements are legend. I for one have absolutely no interest in legalizing aas. At least with the underground when you get scammed you know it.
 
Millard Baker said:
@element00 , yes, you are right - @bickel29 was especially eloquent with that statement...

As far as I am concerned, I think he provided the answer to the steroid testing problem: We don't need to trust admins, mods or respected vets to submit samples for testing. All we need are honest people to send the samples. Yeah, I know members don't necessarily know who the honest people are. But they don't need to. The honest people sending in the samples -- they know -- and they can wait for others to validate it.
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This could be the work that takes AAS harm reduction in a truly user driven direction. We see time and time again that term, when in the hands of health personnel and academics, cease at the distribution of sterile injecting equipment. The work that members are doing around labmax and ms takes it to a level that focuses on the needs of the end user rather than what we are told we need
 
What about putting the responsibility back into our own hands, labmax was a step in the right direction but what if we could take it further, a better home based test that would give the indication of a compound and its purity. With what I do for a job we take water samples and test for specific concentrations of chemicals present in the water. It gives us the colour which indicates the compound in question is present then buy titration of a reagent we can tell how many parts per million are present, could this work for what we want, Granted all compounds would have a different colour and would need a different reagent for titration but maybe this could be a option.

What better way to remove all doubt than doing our own testing, im sure there are some organic chemists on here who would have a much better grasp on this.

Thoughts Guys?
 
flenser said:
The proper rules of trust are no different for legal markets than for black markets. It's just more obvious in a black market. I've definitely gotten bunk cialis from Kmart when my insurance company used to pay for it. My mother takes some expensive drugs for a spine disorder, and has proven only one of the three suppliers is legit. Yet they are all still distributing it. The reports of bunk and under dosed supplements are legend. I for one have absolutely no interest in legalizing aas. At least with the underground when you get scammed you know it.
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Well if you've gotten bunk pharmaceutical products from a licensed pharmacy in The USA you , actually your Mom, have a lawsuit or at least a fat payday from not only Kmart but the pharm company that sold it. That's a gold mine you hit right there.
 
graniteman said:
Well if you've gotten bunk pharmaceutical products from a licensed pharmacy in The USA you , actually your Mom, have a lawsuit or at least a fat payday from not only Kmart but the pharm company that sold it. That's a gold mine you hit right there.
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Maybe. Her doc acted like it was no big deal, and wrote her a prescription that specified the brand that worked for her. She had to go to a different pharmacy to get it, since kmart had stopped carrying it.
 
All of this availability is the fruition of the current market though. Does AAS stay off the radar as one of the top targets from the dea? Hopefully it does and continues this trend of being more widely accepted within suburban America. We finally are putting a little pressure back on the people always ripping us off and as always money talks and bull shit walks. I'm going to continue my testing and my input back into this community and the more that do so the better it will get.
 
Imagine if we convinced people who were absolutely deadset against steroids (Danger- Danger will robinson!) to try and have the doc give them a shot so they could "experience" it. They'd be like, "What was all the hype about?"
 
UPDATE: DDL replied to my inquiry. They said they "do not currently test for androgens".

DDL is the lab that analyzes MDMA and psychoactive drug samples on behalf of EcstasyData.org. This means it is not advised to send your AAS samples to EcstasyData.

I've also received a report from a long-time member who fears he is out the cash to ED/DDL that he sent for anonymous testing a month ago.

Another lab that I contacted replied with prohibitive rates for AAS testing. I am hoping to negotiate something better.

Two other labs have not yet responded.

I will contact two European labs shortly.
 
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